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Episode 12 · 1 year ago

Gaming Violence || Episode 12

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Following on from last week's discussion we talk about the impact games can have on the real world and cause violence. We also get engrossed with the latest Mario news and have an entanglement with some of our gaming backlogs.

News Roundup: 0:0:32
Video game violence: 0:30:10
Violent backlogs: 0:57:16

On this episode: @tudzdotexe, @Chrinkster, @TooMannyMen, @Oluwaponz

Welcome back to another episode of the four eyes echating your podcast. I'm your hosted and I'm joined today by Chris Money and conlay. Say Hi, guys. Hello everyone, Yo Yal Sun. Today's episode we're going to be talking about the effects video games have on reality and narratives. But before we get into that we are just going to catch up on some recent news. The first bit of news we have today is the announcement of Super Mario thready all stars coming to switch. So who last really excited about that and hope? What do we feel about Super Mario Galaxy to not being included or, first of all, it static really really happy that these games coming out. I think I still own all three in some form. I think I've got supermo sixty four and the DS. Then I've got Marius Sunshine on Gamecube and supermo Galaxy on the WII. I think it's great because, I mean currently there isn't another and I don't think there's a way current gender play supero sixty four now. Now there isn't. But I do find it very interesting that they've gone with the initial models and not the Super Mario SC for ds models, which are a lot more up they is, you know, like Mario's hats, a bit more rounded, animations are a little bit better, but as a package I think is a really, really good, good package to have, especially with Super Mario Galaxy and Super Mario Sunshine, because I feel like a lot of people who didn't have a WII and especially with Super Mario Sunshine, a lot of people didn't play play those those two games. It's a great opportunity to bring them to the current generation, especially after having played Mario Ordyssey and in terms of the exclusion of Mario Galaxy to which, in my opinion, is the best of the bunch, is better than all the other other games mentioned, I feel like they have to use the opportunity to remaster that game in its entirety because again, I'm not sure how it did with sales in comparison to marry galaxy, the first one. I can't imagine it doing more, but it's such a good game. It's everything in Super Mario Galaxy in the first to marry Gatxy, but refined with new mechanics increased difficulty. You've got really got a make a complete remaster of that game. My opinion. Yeah, everything that's Chris said basically all sist that because there was roomors going around about this bus. Also, they mentioned about really well, which I'm also supermar freely world, which I'm also static that they're bring over to the switch, because that was actually an amazing game, but because the weed was didn't sell very well or not many people experience that game. Was An amazing Moi player game. But yeah, with the free deal stars, I was happy to see that. But coming back I'm also surprised I didn't be used like that. Updated models are used for the sixty four DS, for the supermo sixty four. But I guess maybe because they just made just gave a little bit of a hate to read master. But the change the models as such, I agree as well. I think they're probably going to make they possibly made their HD remaster of galaxy to stand alone one. So maybe that's why they didn't bring in a free deal stars collection, because I was a bit I was. Yeah, at first I was like no galaxy to the best of the bunch, but maybe that maybe they will do a full remaster. That understand, Tho, since it does deserve its out stand alone best freely mirror platform mark. There is yeah, I think Nintendo went miss out on that money opportunity as well. And Yeah, I'm really excited about this because actually I don't think I played galaxy to the end. I don't play galaxy to you at all, or sunshine St four anyone. I can remembering that quite in a quite significant way. So I'm really excited to just pay all of these from. I never actually got round to finish in sunshine. I think someone burrowed it and I just kind of got about it. But I was gonna say, for example, Maddie, have you? Have you played any of those games? I feel like I played galaxy to okay, I'm not very good. We've returned the games, but I remember...

...joining it quite a lot. That's the woman. You go through like walls of when you end up going to a different dimensional, different place, right, make it know. That's did you clearly is no. No, that would be super paper area. Yeah, wasn't. I might be experience wrong, but definitely was a super people Mario. But yeah, it's not something that well, I could have been are it could have been free d world. I think it might be done. Oh yeah, it would have been. We would have been really well. The one where it's kind of like a isometric view. Yes, yeah, could have been free with freely or act sleeves. We was on the WII. You. No, I'm thinking of something way before that. HMM, because it's really wasn't before that. Fe was and a we freely land similar, or that was on the eds. I don't know. Illinois is one of the my real games that I pleaded. What was going to ask that? I saw there was a point. There's going to be limited released. Yeah, that was a bizarre move. Bunon tenders online. A lot of people have a lot of big problem with it. To be I don't know what it did. I'm not sure why it didn't limited release until much but one thing I ask is one thing I ask you, especially you pinly. Are you going to buy it, considering yeah, played or still own all of these titles, you going to buy it again? I'll for you ordered it already. Nice. When is it release? Was the real thing waiting for September? So it's like we got the next more my wide's yes, yes, we got the next so soon, so soon. Yeah, I want to get again christened. I might not get straight away, I probably will get it. I'll probably will get her only feels the physical copy may be end up with being the collectors in the way, because then they're not really do much for the physical they said, once they sell out, as when we digital I think, I think, yeah, I think that's nothing. That's why, well, I'm going to do I'm probably gonna be physical copy. Mean, we are collectors. Are are so yeah, it's just it's just only right. It's only where. One thing I will say is that seeing that kind of makes me think, why couldn't they just do are a copy for like a similar, similar ide was Elva, where you've got maybe our careative time with my cask. Oh Yeah, sorry, what Queen of Time? All majorities, mask or all both? We're in the WAKER and twilight princess. That would be amazing, seen as none of them are available CAPAC and you know you're talking about that. Speaking, thinking about that, Zod litles elders for e fifth anniversaries next year. So only makes sense. Yeah, except that next year only makes sense to do share my opinion. Yeah, I always remembered that, because they're like a year apart super maribors, and there's no older. Usually because eighty five. From my brows, eighty six was older. So yeah, they could that. For the thirty five is as older. Yeah, it was. We'll see. We'll see. And it was definitely super marries to step forward the way I was. Sorry. Screen. Oh, yeah, you'll go. You go for pictures. That's what you meant paid. Yeah, right, you go for wars when your tire I mention. Yeah, do you remember what console you played down? So the only contents that I had nintender. Wise One of that age was Super Nee. What puts life was superintender. And sixty four, I don't think I ever had a Gamecube. It would have been a sixty. I would have been. Yeah, I ever had a you think, the only Sta, the only standalone Sund alone Mario game on and on the gang, you boy, sunshine. Yep, two on. Yeah, yeah, I was sound trained, as only sound train. Yeah, when, which makes me think actually, when you really think about it, Mario Games honest frequent or like proper Mario Games on, as frequent as we like to think, they are not the easier farm. I'll stay usually five, six years. Maybe. Only time which was quite shock was when they did my galaxy and galaxy to yeah, that was a big shock. That was a pretty shot because I'm brother the three apart and I saw. Yeah, yeah, I think that had to happen because of the fact that galaxy was so good and the mechanics and it were was so good that all they needed to do was expand on it at a couple new mechanics and it was another ten out of ten games. You're not mean? So yeah, yeah, that was a masterpiece of months. I see two, yeah, Oh, yeah, and Thoso about from those...

...are brought because that whole in terms directly did the mounts a few things as well. Would you guys think of the Miracle Home Circuit? It looks good. I won't buy it. I don't know. Is it is it paid? Yes, I, yeah, you get the game, you get e get a figure as well, and we're all something is going to be I know us just retelling from Mont Dollars. So probably runs. Let's same old one. What? Yes, Ninety nine dollars, because you get the game, get the character mode, the actual caught that you drive around with news and get the kid or something like that. All right, right, right, I don't think I'm gonna get it. It's a bit too give a key for me, in my opinion. I would like to play it, but I don't think I'd invest that much and especially with like spacing and all sorts are it could be quite difficult, I can imagine. But it, I mean it doesn't end send and definitely something I'd give a go. It's giving the opportunity. Yeah, because that's the thing everyone else as apple to play, you have to have your own card on switch. Basically just a good question of my real how many video games do you think he's been? He's he has a beading. Oh, it's hers. Is that all my words can say? Because it's I said the hundreds. Yeah, because I got no good well, I hundred, well over, well over a hundred. Isn't a hundred, USTY, that's probably looking at. I'd say I'm saying the four hundreds. China that say mid, mid three hundreds. Lately I'm gonna going to fifty, two, three hundredish. Maybe. Yeah, maybe I'm on the value of that. I'm under yeah, I'll say something. I love, but money you got to figure, don't you? The yeah, I want to see what it is on. Says First. It doesn't actually give a specific once. It just says over two hundred video games the hundred. I'm surely too far off. Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure it's not more than that. When was that from? You know what they that was from. So it's on wikipedia still. It's something that's probably update regularly, I guess, but I think I'm after we put down much. Want to look for the quite number. I'll be interesting to learn. This is probably spunning, but when he was jump Ma Don'key from guessing, because they include jump man. We donkey from. Sorry, and I think so. I bill topic. But if you think this any other gaming character that has appeared in as many games as my room, not to mine? Not as I don't think so. You not? Not as a standalone character? I doubt it. Yeah, I dot yea. I think the course it start because my's got so many stenough games as well. Far from fear and from the other things above the need right now, I don't. I doubt it. I can't see another videocame character having names many appearances. Yeah, I mean the characters that I know that I would have a lot of appearances with, the characters like like ry, you from really from street fighter. Yeah, you, fear's a lot of different because he's been in you know, different crossovers and stuff. Yeah, you might. I can't really think. I can't really think of any. Did You even pee? I mean, yeah, pease, she's definitely been a lot of games. Yeah, because she's definitely up there. But I think, I think Marios so far ahead in terms of cameos and appearances because even like, for example, like punch out, for example, he's in punch out. Oh, yeah, he's Alo, he's the referee. He's a referee. You can see. You can see the photo of him in Hiill Castle when you're young, link and you're sneaking into the castle. Oh, yes, I remember, like camera. But yeah, yeah, he's in. He's in metal guest solid and on the Ganky version, twin snakes, like there's this. So he's even an easy street. Yeah, it's in an NBA street. He's been in dark starts revolution. He's an MBA. What ye get? Compost, marry beating or something we do. He's even sleeping. I think. I thinks he's steeping on the bed in. What game was it in linked the past? Okay, at the end, at the end there's nice ringing...

...a bell. Yeah, yeah, he's, let's be sleeping at the end. But yeah, that he's had so many appearances. I think you'd be lost, lost for count trying to figure out how many he's appeared in totally. Yeah. Well, cool, that was a nice trip down memory name. Yeah, next bit we've got as well is I don't know if anyone played sheen MOU on the game cost. I believe I did briefly. I never earned the June class, but I played. I played a friends dream coast and remember doing the news with the kickstarter and everything for shown me three and being really excited about that. But then everyone being hype stunked. Yes, thanks, stunk but anyway, grunt, you're an adult. Swim and Nou Shen. You the animation, thirteen episodes, anime series. I might peep just because I haven't played the Games, but I've always fought like promo because I haven't. But what about everyone? I'll be honest after because I did. Actually I didn't play it. I didn't play I'm Sen me three, but I read a lot about it and I watched a lot of videos around in it and it just seemed I think the biggest problem was the the game, the game design. I think in terms of storyline, I think it was awful, but the game design was so, so stuck in the past. It literally felt like a sequel to the original game, which sounds good because the original game was good. But everything is you know, it's time. It's time specific and show me free just old mechanics, little tedious things I can remember. There's a little gameplay mechanic where when you when he steps onto it's how he sets on to the part of our house. There's an animation. There's actually like a ten to fifteen second animation of him just taking off his shoes, walking onto a platform. Okay, and I'm when you step back off to leave, to leave the area, there's another fifteen second animation of him putting back his shoes. Like I know you you're trying to make this as immersive as possible, but come on, a fifteen second animation of someone putting on their shoes and taking off their shoes. That's just ridiculous. I mean that's something that you'd see in a game from the s by, you know, a lower level developer. It's not something you want to see in a triple later or today. Well, I'm not going to watch it now. I'll be real. I mean I say, all might like peep it, but I'll probably just, like you, see the first two episodes at most. But yeah, I think it's just curiosity because I never play the games, but I just remember the hypes around them the lead up to the third one, and now much of a disappointment I was. Didn't that fucking one even need to drink the good stuffer in anyway? If a combination of that, the dream cost not selling one and just they put too much budgets the second one anyway originally and they didn't sell as well as they wanted, and then they just see it's it's doing. So I'm saying it's decide to just go soffer me. After that, I'm probably wouldn't watch it. To be on this. I'm briefly paid. Should me, but I never really and I didn't know a drink cost eva and I didn't bubble. Should me free. Even so, I don't know. Maybe I'll give it a look at but then again, me and anime these days, I'm not been watching as much as I read a lot more. Mangla depends is actually probably putting times actually watching it. I'll see you views and see what people say. It's good that maybe give you a watch. Yeah, I'll definitely wait for us as well. But yeah, speaking of things that we probably won't watch, but I think it's still worth just like talking about well, not watch. You'll read. Well, metal alchemist is being adapted into a Webtaine. My response to this is why, but I just wanted to hear from you guys as well. And it look absolutely awful, and so let me just give it a quick watch, because it's a male. I come of alchemist and I'm a big fan of the enemy to news in the Manga and it is not terrible. I just looked at very kiddish. It wasn't exciting at all. The voiceovers would just extreme boring. Yeah, it's I don't know, what was the point of someone putting that together. I'm definitely not going to go back and look at it again. I'm the flowing to look for the proper episodes to come out or the proper read fee to come out. That that's that is my whole tea. Could it and I'll...

...rob US beat speak quite every again, but I think that's like none of us. Now I just I wonder, like he's decision it was. But yeah, I will not be reading that. You know what format to, our chemist has done. It's done a lot of damage control in terms of bringing up brotherhood, which follows the Manga. Finished that without adding too much extra fellow or whatever, and that should be in it. I should be the end of that. To be honest. I feel like this is an opportunity to make a buck out of the series and it's just one of the shows. It just doesn't need it. It's it ended so well. Just let it be. Everyone still appreciates it. It's always a gateway anime for all newcomers. Just there be what it is and stop trying to, you know, monetize every single part or for meal. Yeah, the real much opinions. It's because it's yeah, I said work basically similar to while probably say anyway. So you'll see. I know how they are. I think a lot. They may want to try and bring, you know, more piece back from all right peas and try and make money from me, because, you see, it would I see all the time direct the drug will franchise anyway. They always doing a new thing here and there. That franchise we were Abow Long. They always founded anyways, either to bring you things out to try and maybe he basically so. Yeah, no, I don't get how popular our web shoes that this has been commissioned. I feel like God of High School and Tower of God, you know the one, is like they've done a lot, I think. I mean I don't read web teams as much as I used to. Buy another quite a big deal. I feel like this wouldn't even been put on the table if they weren't that big, even though everyone's this is beias founding. No, and this responsible Jeff Japanese were tunes. It's just yeah, that's the bit that's mystifying me, because ve actually all the ones that I know I'll even if I don't read. Done the Korean. HMM, all a Western self published ones. Well, we'll see. Yeah, another bit of Gaming News. CD project read has announced a next Gen version of the which are three. That comes with enhancement. It's like ray tracing and faster loading times across all content. People who already own the game and current gener systems or PC get the update for free because it is going to lend anyone. I haven't played it. I still haven't played the which I would like to. So I guess it gives me an incentive to do so. I don't know how this works. For example, is it better for me to just buy an existing psfour copy, which I can probably get for quite cheap online, and then just wait for it to have the update, or do I purchase it straight off of the playstation store? I'm not sure how exactly works, because for me straightforward, because I have which are three already on PC. Okay, we'll just waitfull the update. But yeah, I guess it's a little what do you do? Yeah, specially for console players, I can definitely on the stand for piece. It's relatively simple. But yeah, I think for me I've got I've had which are free, but I'm not really played. The funny thing is I've heard it for all these years. I just never really played it. But isn't my back was actually finally play really a little bit and I just I've got to come back to it, but I'm going to get I'm thinking of it, to play it now. Just wait to whin the psfive comes out, since it is going to be the free upgrade, just free upgrade on to it, and then that she stopped playing it. Then I've got a question for you, based on what you just said. Actually, for you guys, what's the oldest game you bought out launch that you haven't played? Kills on its on kills the oldest game of all your consoles you meet, that you bought, that you had at launch? Yeah, well, I don't know. I don't even actually boot up off my psfour. I don't think I've act your book games at launch before in the last five years. I bought launch. was better the world. Oh Wow,...

...yeah, I usually didn't. I shall, I'm just gonna. I'll go through it. So, yeah, because I never used to get that the consoles when they came out. Because, yeah, no, no, not not a cut. So launch, but I think a game. Yeah, okay, launch. I thinking as far back. Biderman one must have come out two thousand and five. I want to see it two thousand and six. As you know, it's we can actually have two questions here. So the oldest game we had at launch, that you bought at launch, and the oldest game that you bought a launch and didn't actually play. That could be, you know, he shot or whatever, steam anything. Okay, because I know, for example, with five hours to go, first and in the first game I bought at launch was probably. I think it would have been super smash brothers. No, no, no, actually it was sonic adventure two, about on the Gamecube. So that was the first game I can remember buying at launch and that was because it came out with the Gamecube. Okay, it was one of the launch titles. So yeah, but in terms of the old, oldest game that I can remember but I bought and didn't actually play it would probably be dark side is to. So I bought dark side is to. I've still got to actually for the xbox. Three hundred sixty it. I've really they got really good reviews and everything was, you know, all great and I was like yeah, you know, I'm gonna payod it this and I don't know what it was. Think it was a period of those period of time in my life and I was at union yet distracted by all sorts and it just kind of got buried under other Games I was playing at the time. I remember playing. I was playing bad that redemption at the time and spent to self conviction. So just kind of forgot about it. Never played it. So the day just there mint condition. I don't think I've ever've been given a game I haven't played really, but I definitely has a don of things. I would have played the at least once. I would have played at last, okay, at least songs. Yeah, but but your question, because you mentioned steam or mentioned downloads. I think the Oldys game of probably got was championship manager, before what foot manager, before it was food manager. To be cool, Champishire manager. That's probably the one of probably the earliest game of boom at launched. That was in the early two Tho. I'm want to see Teth. I want for some I've got the two thousand version or the two thousand and one version. Yeah, because, I say, I think that's the only game I've book consistently front my whole life. So I've had every single championship manager in full manager in this ever been released, although some of some of them I bad play. I'll play for that two weeks and not played them again, but I've played every single one of them for the past ten years. Wow, yeah, that's that sounds committed. That sound commit. It Fun of my first earlier scheme love or launch. I remember my own money or parents money. Eat Them Pres for me either way either way, because I think the early spe that comes to member is probably like Mariotton's. Actually, I got married tennis at launch. Yeah, I love that. Gamers such a fun game as a kid. It's games good and what's the I'm just trying to fit that game of what I launched. I just didn't play. I think it's hard to think, because I know of a lot of I've made paide once by just think, go back to them. That's the thing. So it's a good dice. Try and think of one. I just wonderful one on one at one hundred and one on those we are got, but I just didn't play. Actually, I don't yeah, I just don't know why. It's a good game as well. I just didn't get out to play it. And the Metro Prime Trilogy, actually, even though I played one and two of what that will launch when it came out on the Wiiu. But I didn't really I didn't actual play hit because I think I just still explained smash. We would have talked about about favorite mark we HMM. So that we too were usually I'd play a game at least once and then maybe I just don't combat to it for a while. Like...

I we even got paper married, or can be kick, but after I plague you played it like once form. Look back to it. I got a launch. Most of them still they based after discussion last week the outrage of Bubusas new mobile game Tom Clack season eage squad. Think that would need quite nicely into the discussion for this episode. So we're talking about the effects on your life perception stemming from gaming, especially big lights, apple a games. So I think just to like kick off the discussion, and I think I'll quite popular example this kind of discourse. So I'm sure we all familiar with the Columbine High School massacre and the discourse that kind of stemmed after that. The shooters noted in general entries how they when they were plotting the shooting, how it's going to be so cool, it was going to be like doom and I led to a lot of outrage from parents and legislators, saying that video games, there was a direct correlation between finance, Video Games and violence and goal life. I think nowadays I might be mistaken. I think that's been pretty much discount did for the most part, apart from like a vocal minority of like concerned parents. But I think in other ways as well there's kind of like effect on real life narratives stemming from like video game stories, like a whole thing now, especially with like graymorality in video games. If anyone had like does any like of the them, like opinions and anything like that, just skip up a discussion, a word. We stand on that? Do we think it has any basis or was it just like exaggerated? Or what would say is that with anything that's confused them, consumed in mess, especially for young kids, teenagers or younger, younger looks, it would have an effected them. Like I would say that music, television, films, a game will have some sort of affect them, but I don't think if the effect is large enough for it to be such a concern, especially for a normal kid. Again, we were just talking about the extremes, as in a kid constantly playing violent video games. A normal kid is not naturally natur she's going to go outside and be violent. I don't believe, and just because of the game. Again, if a kids watching violent films or listening to somewhat violent music, it will have some sort affect to him, but not enough to act violently. Based on Saudi based on that interaction with that sort of medium. So the idea that you're a game like that, the example, the game with the colorbine shooting the ninety nine. A lot of parents, you will, even trying to sue this school, believe, or the sea or the district wherever blood the Games are, just to see the the gaming the INCAS companies and gaming developers, because they believe that that was the main reason as to why those two kids ended up doing what they did, which I will I wouldn't, I wouldn't want to say that that that being silly, because obviously don't grieven at the time, but it's difficult to believe that without, without the interaction that they had with those games, they still would enough done what they did. They probably would have used another form of inspiration to do do the violence that it did. And during that time, and I'll probably and I believe that that's the probably happens with anybody else that mixed decisions and they any use inspiration elsewhere, it's necessary that that bit of inspiration is the sole reason as to why you did it. It just may have some sort of effect on you. Yeah, yeah, I agree with all that. I think one thing I would say they have a people who would like be concerned about this of a point where is just a decent station to violence. But then again, that's I don't think that's specific to me. Gave me who have a Meetians as well. So sources. Yeah, I'll didnt get a step further and say even when you see violence as part of the news, in a sense that could be synthesize one after a long time, especially when a trusties are committed and there's this whole thing about how, when there's gross violence committed against certain groups of people, you won't see bodies both as another group of people. You see bodies and there's a more of a disconnect between that. So I think in that sense, I guess that if we're talking about violence specifically being the sensitizes movement issued in anything else, if it, I guess someone's prone to violence, of gopnt to violence, regardless of whether they're playing years or whatever. Yeah, I agree with everything you guys said. I think it's always going to...

...be a mixture of or combination of different different elements that forms these, you know, bad habits which then lead to things like column by. I think blaming games in itself is just the easy way out, though I do. You think games do have a big impact on behavior, just like with TV, with music, cinema or sorts. So I do think there should be regulations for people of a certain age. And the thing is there are restrictions. You're not meant to be able to play a game with graphic violence as as a kid. That's that's why we have there was an es rb, we have Peggy now, who now rank games, rate games based on how they think they would affect certain age group. If they're okay for for a certain age group, then they're allowed to be played by the age group. People in sales do not sell to people. You're not going to sell a GTA to a five year old or to a thirteen year old. Even in fact, you shouldn't be able to usehould. You shouldn't say it to anyone who looks. I think less than twenty five of out seen Id. They should be doing that year. They should be checking ID. So if there's anyone to blame, it should be parents who will buying these games for their children and not regulating the type of games and experiences that these children are are under. Because I I don't know about you guys, but obviously we live in a real world. You Grow Up. I was, what, maybe eleven and twelve, able to play whatever I liked, able to get my hands on whatever games I liked, regardless of what ays they were, able to watch whatever films I liked, you know, DVDs, all sorts. I was able to do that as a child and it shouldn't be that easy to do. And I do understand. I do understand there can be an impact, but I don't think it's the game companies. I don't think it's their actual problem to sort about our I feel like that has to come from from parents. And then, on top of that, I don't think grown adults should be blaming game companies and, you know, the media for how they've acted because of there, because of what they've been exposed to. Like we see these things day in, day out. You see innocent people being killed in the street, on on local television stations, in brought and in daytime. So I don't know, I don't really buy that. The whole how argument of gaming and the gaming causing violence. Obviously, yeah, I agree veryon that's considered as well. Gaming COMP US as a soul factor. said, because it's like there's so many different mediums. You got violence in movies, even box social media as well as being a big and indity centers and a lot of people as well. So there's always been that as well with how spires are viewed. I also agree about the thing about parents as well, because these games are labeled. They are labed according to age range because of what they contain, like who's up, violence, ut etc. I know there's sometimes agree especially in regards the Gambon side, as you see in the Games as well, though, but Ros service you they do generally tend to be labeled. The recorders, the cordners to that. So you would expect, you know is I say, you would expect not to be able to get to them, but his can be easy accessible as well, as I know. As a kid as well, I was able to see film rush. I shouldn't play some games. I shouldn't as well, but gaming shouldn't be a soul thing to play. Said with that, and the Columbia, was it, sorry, Colorado shooting those parents from the just suit the game company, because there's could have been all some different mediums as well as he's few films, etc. And if someone's going to be a bigger violencens is. They got it in them. I wouldn't just blame it solum gaming. You know that will bring that out and it is a popular it's a lot of different countribute factors anyway. So pretty much I do agree. Very finish we said. Yeah, probably. I think you make an interesting point about the parents singling out the billions, because actually have a direct quote here about Harris, one of the shooters, in his journal wrote the mascot will be like the La Riots, the Oklahoma bombing, World War II, Vietnam, Du can doom, all mixed together. But it was they went...

...for the video games. That really yeah, easy, easy target. Yeah, that's easy EST skateboard. That's what is find an easy to skateboard in the way, which is I don't know, it was terrible happened to shooting, but there's like you said, there was a la right, the things that you see. They seen the TVLA riots, as you said. They'll go home with bombings. Yeah, not just games, some multitude of things. Yeah, it's just very easy tiger to go for for gamers. I mean Columbyn happened in what year and ninety night? Yeah, Nin hundred and ninety nine. They have to remember at that time video games, I mean it was, it was, it was a relatively big industry, but you couldn't compare it to to television and cinema at that time wasn't anywhere closed. So people always for someone to blame and if there's something that's going to be easy to blame instead of be the video games, the the video game developers and publishers don't have action on mccormat amounts of money of support. They don't have the lawyers. I think they were very lucky because it could have it could have gone very, very bad and an event like columbine could have crashed the video game Markett once again. Yeah, I think as well. It was with that as well. Wasn't it a few years into because this is all back. I know before that they had the whole thing with more comebacks. Act we put in the years was the Yus wratting system, because I wasn't yeah, like what five maybe six years before. Yeah, the because early lies, the yes ire be was cyfically, I'm not sure if it was the years. I'll be if there was a rating board before then. Now again, but game gaming rating didn't start until mortal combat was released. Yea, I said exactly that. So I don't know, because it wasn't really that long after the so could be a combination that as well. They they that will went to the court. That was all over. That was a big thing. When more comeback, came out the violence in the Games. And then you know what, you know, you do game on as continue as yet doom ex such for come out. But I think it's just gaming. I think violent against probably where early stage is kind of still need to say. But then so, as you said, there's probably as an easy skateboard as well, because they probably when as as not as establishers, hollywoods and TV and film as not not as much money to even in case of court case as well. So yeah, would we agree that the whole violence and video games causes violence rule life thing? He's kind of died down a bit nowadays compared to the night. US. Well, we just like oblivious to it because we're gamers. So I think it has come down the big because I don't really or maybe after, because I've not really heard as much of it as much as you know you used to back then. You don't hear a lot of politicians, etc. Go as they used to, as hard as they try to previously with violence a video games. So maybe there's gone down a bit so open now to say and maybe because I'm not really heard as much of it being talked about violence video games as it used to be. So that's my opinion. Maybe has died out a bit, but maybe I could be just olibious to it. I don't know. But what you guys think of, I would definitely say is that down and I think miss mostly because of the fact that a lot more people playing games now. Gaming is a lot more accessible to people now than it was twenty years ago, and especially with video games, and so we've reformed games that people believe were often and I feel like the stigma not I would not say we could are stigma about the whole idea of of video game valon video games producing violent kids has has been looked at a lot closer over the over the last few years, which it results to just shows people that it's not the case and when a lot more people are exposed to play video games or letting the children play play video games, and it makes it makes them aware of the fact that it is not the case either. Playing violent games does not equick to having valid valent teenagers. And the fact that Donald Trump did you suggest that if I in video games is to blame for the messue that happen. I think I last year, is is enough to tell me that that's not the case. I forgot you did that, but I didn't need pick up traction anyway. So, yeah, people were quick to shut it down. But again I just feel like this' because we're not on facebook, so not...

...surrounded by like concerned parents like that. Maybe that's why. But I think yeah, generally, yeah, it has died down, but there are still some vocal minority. I think, yeah, it's okay. Yeah, I forgot, completely forgot that. Don't trump her to do that for scenarraty somewhere else. Yeah, because it pushing so many different areas on a daily basis it's easy to forget one word one yeah, I asked that question because I was thinking, you think there's like as an aspect or something, you neique to video games that has like taken the place of the whole red game violence discourse, and I was just thinking even within like the gaming communities, this is whole thing. I don't know if anyone else has noticed it much about gray morality in video games and how people are saying that it's it can be like a stickery slope. So I think I remember seeing a specific point about something in bioshock infinite. So there's I don't know if this is like want to put up a spoiler when they here. Does anyone plan on playing by a short infinite any time to see? How is it on? Is it on a switch now? Yes, what becomes a switch? I'm not sure which. Yeah, maybe, I don't know. I'm not retricted to I'm pretty sure you played the serious or I'm pretty sure it might be coming to if it's not on switch, should be coming to switch from not a hundred percent. And I there is the original by shocks. I'll switching out, but I'm not sure about an infinite. Yeah, but yeah, so this be the point I wants to make about that. With the whole grain reality thing. There one of the characters in by a short infinite, daisy fits Roy, and she's a black revolutionary and a twist where she's real to be just as corruptible by power as her racist enemies, even though she was fighting for the emancipation of her people from slavery and then the white protagonist called but could do it is actually I have found a quote. He says the only difference between calm stop the Games, like main bad guy and Daisy Fitz Roy, is how you spell the name. So it's the kind of thing where they're implying that the rebel faction is just as an ethical as they're like oppressive overlords, and it kind of just, in my opinion, ignores the whole backdrop of the Gen pre era racism. Think that was going at the time. So I feel like it's just a kind of I get the kind of shot value you want to go for the story or if you put this twisty and no will expect it, but the explanation, to me it felt a bit lazy, like Oh, everyone is giving able of the same kind of evil, just ignoring other especially I think if it was set in the fantasy world that would be great, but the direct references to slavery and Gin creer racism and segregation, it's just kind of like that's not really like how it would play out. But you know, if you're not someone who likes to critically evaluate your sources or like dig deep into history. You play this game I think, wow, that's such an interesting take. But really it's a bit it's I think, in my opinion, is crazy at lazy at best, and a bit more insidious than that at worst. And it's way. But stuff like that, it's a very fine line because, like with any form of media, we need to give gaming an opportunity to be as open and to explore as many different stories as as there is possible. But at the same time you don't want to fee your political genders and, you know, try and rubbish away genuine, genuine acts of activism and compliance and society. You don't really going to do that neither. It's hard, I don't I don't see a problem with it, but I understand. I'm seeing it from my place where I understand, I actually understand the actual troubles at black people go through in society. So nothing a video game story is going to tell me is going to change my mind. But yeah, as we know, as we know there's a large, large majority of people who genuinely don't understand. They really don't understand why people say black lives matter, why why people upset up potty. So just pushing it, the kidding black people. They really don't understand it and putting something like that out there for them can be quite problelematic. I feel like maybe they should be warnings. Yeah,...

...and I feel like I feel like, yeah, I feel like warnings is important. For example, I don't know, I remember if you guys. I don't know if you guys have ever played call of duty, modern warfare to yeah, but in the story, I'm sure it's quite popular. You might have heard of it. If you haven't played anyway, there's a moment where you have think they're Russian, their Russian agents who walk into an airport and massacre every single person there. Your job, they're you're literally walking around of a machine gun, massive mass yeah, I think I remember seeing that scene. Actually, I didn't play, but I remember seeing it. Yeah, yeah, I remember actually seeing it, seeing a clip of it. Yeah, I mean, yeah, you can see on new shoe, but it caused a lot of controversy at the time. But the way they kind of got through it is that they made certain parts of I mean it's different in terms of it being part of the overall story, but they made it so you didn't have to see that and there was a warning beforehand, but it was very explicit and dangerous. Cotton then dangerous content. I feel like something similar needs to be done for any story elements that can be seen as trying to feel a political agenda. In my opinion, whichever direction it is, I feel like it needs to be people need to be forewarned before that kind of stuff is putut because people are very they're very malleable. Opinions can change because of a video game character. Jereman, it had it happens. So I feel like warnings need to be putting into place. Yeah, I think I definitely agree. And if we want to take video games as seriously as other forms of media like books, like TV, shares that needs, then I think those same warnings need to apply and the same kind of level of level responsibility for the people who make games. Like he said, people can have their opinions change by characters in Games. It's the same as you can read a book that can change your life. You know exactly, but they're so that bioshop reference you you gave really in minds me of minds with animal farm. Yes, yes, yes, okay, it must be a lot of our animal farm. So yeah, and I think I guess if I want to have like a more like my main response to the buyer ship by shopping infinite reference I made is just kind of like, okay, it's a bit there's a real lazy, possibly dangerous but if I want to give it more Nwans, I'm trying to think of like when you like subvert kind of like historical trace. I think of knots and courses by malory black men, or what if African with Africans, with the colonizers, et Cetera, and how that plays out. And I think time has a lot to play with, has a lot to has a large role and how people respond to that as well, because maybe like when by a shot infinitely came out, people thought, Oh wow, that was that's an impressive twist, and never sort of coming ten years my past, we would like remember with that bullshit that they bolled in buy shop infinite, because I'm even thinking of when nots and crosses, the TV show, just came out this year and it would there wasn't really well received. People thought it was just lazy like it. It's not helpful in this current climate. It could be particularly harmful. If I remember when the books came out, it was like a cultural reset, like they were so popular and everyone loved it like unanimously. So I think that was just an interesting point as well. Anyone, please, no move. You mentioned regards to you. Time and again, people need to be very careful of of when you want to release media or content, especially in the storm of of something very sensitive or stuffing that is affecting quite a lot of people, and I feel like you just need to handle it with care. So that was one of my graps. In regards to the UBIS off I'm trailer, was just like so many people are literally going through the emotions of what's going on and just was like you have to disregarded their feelings just to put this out without our care. So your att timing is very important, because this is going to be done, like you said, in ten years time and and I feel like the response will be a lot different than what what is what, depending on how the world is in ten years time, and the response will be a lot different if the circumstances will very different. Again, the notes across the stuff, like when the notes across the book came out, there wasn't a lot of demonstration the wind demonstrations like that.

There wasn't a US surge of of people making political statements astances every especially because to racism and race and inequality, which notes of courses, touches a lot under so when that comes out during a time where that is the biggest debate around the world, the one of the biggs debates around the world, it can touch a lot of nerves, it can talk a lot of feelings and as media should. But but again, it's one of those things where you have to one know your audience into you also have an understanding of how people may react to what you put out and if you still want to put out whatever you made the appreciated, are certain steps that you will take before and afterwards to make sure that it is put in a way that is completely understandable to the world. Yeah, but everything in contexts as well. I just wanted stick get back to Chris's point as well about like, because we're black and we it's like a personal thing to us, like we're not going to have our opinions in that regard shifted by playing the video game. But if you think of like the typical, I guess, Gamer demographic engaging games, I think my person opinion is that if you aren't a minority in the West the way you I think you're more likely to engage with racism as a concept as opposed to like the lived experience of certain groups of people. Certain that sense, I think that's the main issue with narratives like this that I have. But again, if you go back to the whole timing aspect of it, I think if you wait for the dust to settle, so to speak, when emotions intentions are this high, there's more room for a discussion about things like that. Even if you didn't agree, you're less likely to just dismiss it right off the back, like with the response of the ubise off game. Is People just been like shaking the head today, even one that even bother so I think, regardless of whether it's going to be a good game or not, people already written off. So yeah, HMM, that's interesting point. So everything on a light to note. One question that, sorry, is we did you have something the mind now? No, one question I want to ask Chris. Earlier were talking about games that we haven't played. What percentage of games have you owned that you've never played? Oh my God, it's more depressing note than the races. I thought. Let's if you back cloak. Actually know what you know. I think your question it's rain very badly because I have play. I've played the the vast majority of my games, in fact, coming okay, let's before. Is it completed? Okay, now in trouble. Okay, I think is. It was. Then I play all my games. You know what I mean? Yeah, it's only that one, that one game I haven't played, and that was dark sighed. But in terms of completion defined complete. Excuse me, your SASS. Thank you for playing. At the end. That's complete. Story bus. Yeah, the story. HMM, a percentage, I'd probably say, looking about the sea, five percent completed. Wow, thirty five or forty five? You have completed thirty five percent. I've completed. Okay, I'm not a mathematician, I'm I just say sixty five percent of games. So for every games you get to you don't complete on a bridge. Yeah, yeah, they kill me. I don't know. But what I will say is that there's a lot of games. I thought I Brian, I play specifically for the multiplayer and so I end up playing a spending a lot of time in the more player aspects of that game without bothering with the story modes and whatnot. So Games like like street fighter five, games like Titan for games like spot soon not but I finished spotting actually. Yeah, you've got one of the review that I have in the Games. Yeah, in this talk right now. Games like call of duty, like I'm not playing the story modes of those games. I just do not care for them at all. So I guess you get what you want out of...

...the game for the most part and it tends to be I mean there's there's games I want to play, but it's like the initial investment that you need to put into it is so high you really need to like concentrate when you're playing them. Like octopass traveler. I was playing that for a long time, but I think around the same time o't pass travel when the doctor park come out, or I'm still get to get that ill thing that there were. It's a good game at something. Myself, I think I got really worked up off the being the demo sturbing boyick. I think. I think cool of duty came out very, very close, if not on the same the same day, very very, very very similar day. Anyway, to think of looking out July eighteen, also July eighteen. You know, I'm so you like I was an eighteen or any UK. Hey. The game. Yeah, it was about yes, so in time, July twenty. It came out at the same time as another game. I can't remember what game it was, but I do remember that period that you remember. You guys about that, but another beam. But I remember a couple games came out around that time and I remember playing octopath, but when I went to go play the other game it really distructed me. And the thing with octopath is it's like there's like I think it's eight different heroes you have and they will have different stories, but you can kind of combine them. You pick which one you one, which ones you don't want to use. You focus on your favorite ones. And I remember going back to it after I played whatever game it was that came out. It was really hard to understand what was going on and, to make matters worse, I remember being in a dungeon and I think I was facing a boss to last. This is the last time I played it, and the boss was just so, so difficult. It just really really put you off. It was difficult because of the level. I was out of the game, but it really puts you off and it's like well, I mean, I could just go and play. You know something else? That's a lot. I play Smash Bros, I can play call of G I can play you fire and I can just jump in and have fun straight away. That happen to think of. Where did I last do this? What do I need to what I use? Inciting Force, I guess that's that's what kind of happened a lot of the time. Other Games. There are some games that I've played, I've bought, and it's just like you want so much out of me and I just don't have the time. LEGIT, legit. The one that really stands out is animal crossing. Like you know, you don't wantest me. I shouldn't really have put the game, but I know what would have happened either. I would have played that game. I would have played that game to hell. You would have gone wrote in by this butter turn it stocks, and you did exactly. Exactly. All have played it to hell, to a point where it becomes, you know, compulsive, or just avoid playing it at all. That's it was. Not now there's no realizing I don't think there's a middle ground of animal crossing. You can't. You're meant to be able to do a little bit of day and then whatever, but it just doesn't work out. That just did not well like that. For me is so addictive, such an addictive game. I feel I got to the frame where I played that animal across the daily. I just do my daily stuff, but play every played every day since it's came out, just because I did. I've got into that routine. This muth's got me a fucking Gud dog for bit. But nope, I just think I know if I don't play today, I'm going to miss something or whatever else. Yea Conversely, I want not you guys. Was the last game you completed me? I think it was back of d really packing came out like twenty years ago. You asked always over it, but ask him. I complete. It was uncharted for okay, last game I complete for week. Got The into crystal chronicles. Actually the really remaster the year because then again came up last week. Yeah, it's a quick game. It's blood. Yeah, Oh Lord, Oh, oh. On a brief we have to, we have to, we have to briefly talk about crystal chronicles. Yeah, we should talk about that game because I think no stargipplin did me honestly, honestly, honestly, that was such a good game. When I played I'm playing it with my...

...cousin. He had it and I remember using the game boy watch link cables. So you can use a game way much as a controller for that game. And so yeah, I really enjoyed it. I played the entire thing with my cousin. We complete the game. My comment of what race I was at the time, but I really really enjoyed it and so when I heard it was getting a rerelease, I I was extremely happy because I think the last of the Crystal Chronical Games I remember there was. There was one on ds echoes of something, something, echoes of something. Anyway, there's on only the S and I remember I was really excited for that one because it was an online multiplayer, but I think it didn't really do too well. Then there was another one I was excited about. Then I found out it was like a tower building, kind of city builder. It was crystal chronicles. My Life is king. It was on a Nintendo. We really disappointed because I thought we were going to get a proper game, and so crystal bearers as well. Crystal beerers. That was. That was a console. was that on philos and use? Was it we crystal bearers? I can't remember, but I remember that one as well. But essentially nothing was as really as good as the original for me, and so I was so happy to hear this new onmans coming back out. I was going to buy a day one. And then you hear the reviews and just the problems and just like Sheen Muay, like like just such a route. It's the same problems, stuck in the past. So many old, old gameplay mechanics just still stuck in there. Not Chain, just little little things that should just be done, like being able to join our obviously days got online multiplayer now, but you can't complete your story simultaneously with a friend JEM that you're playing for a whole story and you get none of the progress. Only you made us. It's just start as well. It's like they removed local multiplayers. You come and play with like coime and play with no friends locally like do look wireless collection evil. They move that, but to try just to have online m play, which is very convoluted. It's annoying because you have to do. The constant equiven go from dungeons to dungeon which do that dungeon. Either repeat that dodging or disolve the party in the not to make it again. They really made a mess of the might player. I mean the cool game play still goods, but it's just over the foot of the dumb down. But then square. They're very hit my son day these days. So well I went from one in to buy it too. I'm absolutely, absolutely, absolutely not copying. Absolutely, yeah, no matter what they are known is. They talked about Adam Patches and add extra features, fiction fixer some broken features. It's too late for me. Once a game has shipped incorrectly, I'm pretty much done with it. That went for anthem. Yeah, and from we heard our yeah, more game. If you ship a game and the core, the core mechanics of it are not finalized, set in place and working properly, if you've lost me as a consumer. To be honest. Last that's yeah, yeah. I mean I've gotten a bit of playoff for the chronicles, but I'm not going to be out there, recommended to be because I thought they let ust. It's a bit of a let dancer. Yeah, one of our austomers did the reviewing it, so check that out from to the reviewer. Yeah, review, so I definitely recommend watching that before you buy it. Yeah, you'll see he was not pleased with the gameself. He lit play then. If and I guess what I was also going to mention, and something that we meant to do a long time ago, but it's probably where now, trying to clear our black backlogs, and I know some of us have got bigger backgrougs and others let's talk about themself, you know, but it's definitely going to be worth doing that now, for now's the best time before we properly get into the PSFIVE era, because I think you obviously even the psfive xbox series, x drops, there's still going to be a long time before we have an abundance of titles to play. Yeah, so while while Games are still coming out, we're...

...still getting more information on the console, it's probably the best time to go back reflect on all the other Games and consoles that we've kind of neglected and finish those off. Like I know for a fact that there's there's, at least I think there's a three we games. I definitely want to I mean, for the most part, my wee games. I've been pretty good with. I've finished the large majority of my wee games, but there's a lot of x, what three hundred and sixty games I've got that I want to complete, and there's one game, you game, that I really really want to complete, which is beautiful Joe. Love that game. Yeah, I never actually finished it. There was a part in it where it was just really confusing. Okay, but I never got round to finishing it, but I will. I will finish that and hopefully I'll be able to stream some of that final fantasy. I don't think I'm ever going to bother with that. I'll be fifteen. Oh, Yep, I launch as well. Yeah, death stranding need to get into their standing. is another one years to be in the right mood. Is Very, very immersive. It's the basically a fits this. Is this all of the fit? Yes, and isn't it royal? It's a royal male. The game essentially, okay, I's. That's a game. I put that looks I didn't play the strundon. Oh, you got it too well, but doesn't flit. Yeah, Luigi's mansion, I've got. I've almost finished, which is really fun. Definitely, definitely would recommend Luigi's mansion two people. But you know what saying. Saying all of this really quickly, it just reiterates the fact that streaming games would be beneficial. So a lot of people, especially people like me, who may just, you know, forget about playing a game or not, or lose interest in playing the game quite quickly. So I think the hell yeah, the whole things we're just encourage back habits for you. I think that the habits are here. But the habits have been here, you know. I mean, you're not doing like someone he wants to get better. I've been doing this since. I've been doing this since what I think I started not finishing games when I started Unie. When I started Junie, before uni, I'd literally complete all my games, second place rus all of all of that stuff I was doing. But I think when you get to Uni and it's like, okay, now I have to have a life after uni was when it happened for me. I can't just play Games and day everything I played. Yeah, I think living out, living in halls, having people come around and wanted to play games and everything was very competitive because everyone's around. I remember that's when I was playing a lot of FEFA, a lot of fe files playing in UNI and a lot of call of g because everyone was around. It was like you could trash talk and then see you travel was playing ste fire, same thing. It was all very interested all things milevels, because of the time we had, like well, with one of my mates, he they had two TV's and to three s and halo free in it. So we're just do a fair Halok. That was at time. I got very competitive, very no hectic as well frantic, but I was some fun as well. But yeah, and I was the same as my uni as well, like VF. You know of cord as well. Yeah, it was toods. What Games would you like to clear with your back? CLUCK? A, ideally, I guess the Games I've been like extreaming right now. I mean, I didn't do myself any favors because I just started playing breath of the world again, even though I beat the story. Only go back and they actually master break. I'm not doing master fucking man dig I. Not a game. Is like you lot a piggins. Fine, I stop having fun. I stopped playing my period. That's person a five the royal I like. I'm trying to prioritize that because I never put like a hundred ninety hours into the og and according to people, some love of life improvements from yeah, it's more like content something I need to prioritize that whole long where your son a five nast she just pilos, because I hope it some dragging my feet, but a fair away, because or section of the game is like the tutorial kind of the story hasn't really...

...kicked yet. YEA, yeah, I'm dragging my feet because I don't like this bit, but I'm going to I'm due to do a new game, plossom that anyway. He's just a platinum, like personify is persona and not get all those social links maxed. I missed too in my place, but apparently royal is easier to platinum, so I'm going to aim for that, I guess. Yes, much easier to platinum. Even I got one. What else? I was playing streets of rage on off this way I made but again you just pick it up and play it down and were crossing the store there in the background. But I'm not as obsessed over it anymore and obviously tune like constantly because the only to join you guys mores for to yes, Y, I'm literal going to jump on it after you's done recording you. Yeah, after I beat Royal. I want to all the witcher as well, though. There's a bullshit part, a mat and which a one, and I'm thinking I'm not just skipped to which it do. That was see, that was my thing. You you find bullshit parts, unless I you know what fuck this Games. I got them having else, I thought the enhanced edition, of which are ones. I think all any bugs people are complaining about Ob fixed. Right. not this one with this boss foul, because I thought it's just because I'm not good at video games. I was on, I was in all the forums and everyone was saying, wow, you thame thinks this bullshit in the enharce edition. I can't meet this fass. Blah blahs. That okay. There's a whole like up of people saying it. Maybe it is bullshit and I am I just read about how it ends and go to which of two. But then after royal, I also wanted to start playing AKASA, MMM MMM, Umka Wami, and gave from there. I think outside of that, new new games after Saber punk comes out to see, after which I'll playoff is on en. After that I'm trying to find anything for why back. Look, I know I want to play horizon. There are a doing because I have got that. I've bought a loaded win back during lockdown and as a Sony had two sales. I bought a few games digitally. So I bought like horizons are Adorn about. They make right five Proba game stuffy by the time I just played like a final fancy seven remake episode of five real. But I do want to play for horizons. There a doorm then we're quite five. Even need to play food. I've still got a DMC when they did the remake them, sorry, not the reboot DMC. I've actually played through that a bit but I haven't actually going to complete in that. That's on my backlog. I've got paper marry the ore cary King that actually touch she play work because it was paper where, but I was just not really gotten into it yet. I'm sad. I need I was gonna happen. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I don't still good anyway, but I'm just it's just there a little bit. Just not really gotten into it. I don't know where I'll get around to eventually, but I think rising zero don't want to want to play. First I may actually get around to play last us as well, because I've got that last was room mastered. I'm actually get run to playing that so I can actually see what it's like, and then maybe I'll get lost of US part too. Maybe. Yeah, I'm in that. I'm never hoping to do the same as well. I've had it, I know did since it came up PS plus. So you just never had any incentives to play its. Yeah, it's same. I've got that. I've got untried as well for that downloft that just haven't played Eva and rites of the Tomb Raider as well. I've got a few games out just there on my playstation. Do I want to get into play, and that's want to actual start playing something like games. All that street fight tick and and SOCAL Ethlix. I've all three of these and I needs. I want to stop playing these. Cel I can actually get good one. But all say is that if anyone's got a recommendation, so like indie games or short games or game is made by like small developers, I'd say just mention us and then we'll give them a goal. I think that's something we've definitely got time to do. Sometimes ship later. I was going to be a bit of a bearing and a bit hard to fit in with a regular life schedule. But terms of a lot of indie games, a lot of them, a lot of them you can complete in, you know, ten five hours even sometimes, and it's definitely something that I would, you know, stream put videos up for review, because it's very simple to do. Just do it over an afternoon. Yeah, I was going to ask one last question. See this. We got a an anime base put next next week. What video...

...game would you recommend to a new Gamer who is a massive anime fan but it's never really played video games before? It's Senaph Nin, just the rule. Hmmm, I'm sure that's a good question. Of like, yeah, so much, you say, anime Fan. What kind of anime let's say? I mean, oh, yeah, you know, that's a good point. I'd say, let's say, for example, as shown in okay, then I agree with money. Then probably something like that. Yeah, and then just on. Yeah, we some fun and just don't know. How how would your opinion change if, let's say, they were more long the lines of they're more into anime esthetic. So they're more into like anime studio Ghibbli, yes, some Russian blues, that kind of of that kind of ilk of Mange Fan, your Kira fans. What would you recommending that someone who likes narrative essentially an esthetic, I think I think bath of the Rod. If you're thinking like yeah, yeah, I'm Eric, that's still like very much again kind of game. Still, I think ver quite easier to get into. Yeah, yeah, I mean like if you were too many, if I mean if we're talking about like abby, who'd never played a game before Zelda and like pretty much completed it. I got everything so quickly, is actually a lot. She's like a swarm, but for games, yeah, I don't know what I'm doing. Then she actually knows. He's like some least something me, I think. The next thing you know, it's fine because she doesn't. You know, he's a testament that breath I can be a gateway game. Yeah, I mean you got all the strines and everything as well. That's the thing. It's very pretty looking, you know, if that's you feel like, this adic is atmospheric beauty for soundtrack. Yeah, I guess if you're into like saying and things like that, I'd say, is it Tony? HMM. Yeah, if you've never played like games seriously before, it's easy enough. It wouldn't be too yeah, thing for someone who might be put off by a gameplay similar opinions to mine actually, because I would have said one of the first ones I'd recommend is professor Laton and maybe a maybe, profess a lating then and the curious village. But the game I'd always recommend for someone who isn't isn't really interested in games, it's probably a game like journey and I've mentioned this game like so, yeah, so many people. Journey is is one of those games where you could watch it and feel like you're playing it and vice versa. It's very, very easy on the eyes, got great sounds and it's very short and easy to complete, which is something that a lot of new game is need. They need something to be able, they need to be able to say, Oh, look, I finish this game, I finished the game. Now I want to move on to the next one. So it's very, very good entry game. I I tend to find a lot of the games that I would recommend our games that people who aren't massive gamers have sat alongside me and just kind of watched me play. So something along the lines of I remember playing Super Mario Galaxy with a family friend and he had the second we remob and I don't know, don't know if you remember, but the second rumor was in it. You just used her hold things into place. So second player with the second woman, you can hold things into place and collect the star bits. That's all you could do. But he really felt involved, he really felt like he was playing alongside me, to the point where he actually fought. You know, I'm going to give us a going and make mon say out. I'm going to place game. and He loved it, and this is not someone who plays video games, and he really really enjoyed Super Mariogo. I'm Super Mario Galaxy, coax, Yeah Galaxy, see Mary Galaxy. Because of the fact that it was really vast, the difficulty spikes went massive, so it was okay to play. The music was good. It felt really refreshing when you like flying across from different planets, from planning to planet. So yeah, a game, a game that's quite easy to play, especially initially, is what I would recommend and again that's not very long in duration. I would never recommend the game like, you know, sky rim, someone who's never playing. Yeah, definitely not, because that games a time sinkers. We yeah, yeah, no, no, they may be gamers who would play Sky Rim and think I you...

...know, I absolutely love this game as my first game. But think for the last majority people like easy things, people like Super Mario, Super Mario Brothers three, see Mario World. That's the kind of game that they would play as an as if as a first game and as an anime fan, probably won something with of that kind of Japanese influence. So, like you said, something like Persona, I think, what would go well with a lot of enemy fans because of the narrative, because of the story, even final fantasy, something like find a fancy fifteen. I know I didn't really like it, but I could see how an anime fan would really take to that. Games like that, Games that kingdom hearts, games like Rannwy said, who not? Ninja storm, all those kind of games are fitting well with a new anime game. There's all good shouts and never thought it's so. I think whenever this like question is asked us, or is the default is just like an entry into anime or entry into game and never thought of like the crossing. But that's that's a lot of people's their anime fans and then they venture in two games who are through a certain kind of game, because the communities used to be a lot closer than they were nowt than they are now. I find I found that back in the day, when I first started watching anime, anyone who watch anime was also a Gamer. That's how it felt when I was growing up, but nowadays I far out. There's there's a lot of extremes, as people who play games and have no interest in anime whatsoever, even if the Games are playing are based off of anime. I know people that are very good at Jung Bull z from and dbz fighters and I've never watched Ang bull z. So yeah, I found that there's because, because both worlds are so big now you can literally just stay in anime without ever having to do anything of gaming, where's before it was like there's a lot of crossovers, a lot of a lot of crossovers between the two demographics. And Yeah, so that's all from us, guys. Thank you for chuning in. Will be back next week is always but don't forget to follow us on twitter and instagram. Were at for Azacadena, everywhere on spotify and sounder and also checked the link in the description to do review for custal cornballs you were talking about. And Yeah, that's all from us. Seen It. I.

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