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Episode 15 · 1 year ago

Anime Legacies || Episode 15

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

What makes an anime revolutionary? What does it take for a series to be acknowledged as being influential? These two questions are explored in Episode 15 of the 4 Eyes Academia podcast. Many anime series have come and gone but only few (the elites) are considered revolutionary or influential!

On this episode: @chrinkster @oluwaponz @estrella8_

Okay, welcome to another episode of for as academia. We are joined today by Punley. Hi, guys, I'll be with my wine on a Sunday and it's still hey, guys. The first and news resident evil infinite darkness. As a new, I think it's a Netflix original movie that's coming to Netflix next year. It's CGI. Have you guys seen the trainer yet? Oh, I've not watch the yet, but we'll give it a watch. Yeah, I'll give it watch. I like some of the resid evil films that they had, the live action films actually even those. Is that the quiet taste of some of them? Actually said it was CEJ as well, wasn't it? Yeah, CG. Okay, yeah, yeah, I'll careful CGI, because you could either be good or, just like Tay Mirick, got a fortune in the series. Is Already CG. They're ready U CG for cut scenes in the Games, and you know the models won't look that all could because it's resident evil. You can't really go that wrong. Yeah, I mean it looks okay, doesn't look amazing terms of CG, but probably probably going to watch it anyway. So virtual fight to six there's been announced. Pretty sure that's yeah, so that would be a remake, isn't it is ever six. No, we did end. Was it five or six? THIG? It was five. Pretty Sore spot. I'm pretty still was five. I don't think a vote of I since let me even check. I don't want to be giving a wrong facts, the supposed to facts. It's I think the six is year. I think by maybe the last yeah, yeah, yeah, it's five. Five came out twenty eight, two thousand and six. Oh No, no, yeah, so the last two thousand and six, the last version of five, final showdown, came out in two thousand and twelve. Okay, that makes sense. That makes it's been a long time coming for this to be made and it looks like they want to give it a big esports push. So I think that's it's nice to hear something. It's nice to hear from it's nice to see mccomback actually in this lasses. They're taken the esports in seriously anyway. So from what I remember, actual fire anyway on the very, very difficult game. So yeah, I sucked at that game so hard that I think I played. Which one was we shall playstation done. It was personal orige actually played vential fire five, I think I was, yeah, sixty. I think I played the original virtual fire. Was It on the Saga set rig? Oh, it was original, I think it was. I'm saying I think of maybe be take a magator. I don't know, I can't really remember. Like you to think a certain I can't be t shirt. I feel I feel say it started as well, but that game was difficult. But it's good to see it can't make a return. I like to see more fight in some making a turn than me. So yeah, in a slightly gaming, slightly movie news, there's rooms about Tom Holland playing link in a featureleve movie. Now, I know you're like the Zelda. Fine, you know, like expert tease, but like he close your eyes, you know, of visualize it. I can. Do you not be Cristis? I'm bear weary. You know, I'm very move video game adaptatitions Hollywood because there's not really be many. Does be good. If any wont Dore's not mean many at all. It's hard to day even one hand them the video game adaptations that I've actually been sad. So I just don't to see the butcher Zola and this is going to be interested to see cuz link in the games links feeling. He's never once had the voice. He's never taught one. So your wonder Gammon on which we don't let's not talk about our please. It's keys good. I I don't know. I don't know. I don't know who you cast is and you could do it. And I think is like Zelda, is mostly is mostly based on a very fantasy base the world. So even if you get Tom Holland right, I don't know how you get all the rest of it right. Yeah, mess. Let's say,...

...for example, those book cobblins in there. From who you're going to get to play SCANANDORF? Yeah, Zelda. I don't want it to be very Americanized. Link doesn't tell jokes, think isn't. He's not funny. He's socially all could. Yeah, and I feel like a lot of the reason people want to Holland to place because of his personality. But yeah, link has no personality, zero. But for the most part you'd want someone who looks like him. I almost feel like the almost feels like an actor would do too good a job on basic no action training and nothing to just I feel like, obviously with the combat elements. You need someone who you know would do the choreography quite well, but in terms of an actual performance on a on a character are personality based level, you need someone who's that bonded drive, to be honest. Well, at least someone who can can do that. Tom Holland could possibly do it. I don't know set up. Obviously, I think doesn't speak M I'm sure they can make a movie. We doesn't speak and everyone I was trying to speak. I think they could. I think someone he can. I really expect really ads. Is that's what you're looking for, ideally, but to be honest, I don't even really want to live action movie. I think the Best I've seen was an ign April fools day prank. Oh Yeah, I don had a rank and it looks really good. It actually had a real but then I realize I sep so it's been a long time. I think it must have been about it good ago they did. It was a long time, but I hate this April fools pranks and you think something joy that are hold on a second. Late there's been a couple good April fools pranks, to be fair. I Remember Street fighter. You know. You know the SCI fire ex series. Yeah, that was made by Gus Akira, the guys, and I think the guys company, the name of the company anyway, and they were responsible for, you know, those fringe she yes characters, like the dark scarlamania one of those. So they did a prank and April fools they prank of that series coming back and they did like proper animations for it, those character models, everything. Were pissed people. Hey, that's the genious freak. That is actually fantastic, because the games got like a proper cult following, and so people were so outraged that they made it into a full game. You can get. It's called I'm fighting, yes layer. So you can right now some psfours, some pc like, oh, okay, how good a Pul fools prank was? Which Fools Prankful, for every year without fail, the Hunter Hunt One. I'm not all my days. I don't know. I'm like that guy in picking off his pen to John. Nothing's done. Zip, dragon quest he play the day is the drug first eleven right now. That's the reason I guess he's done. I know, at least, at least get someone to finish it. I mean, yeah, I don't like that. I don't like when other people fit other people's jobs. So, you know, like, for instance, Boruto. HMM. Yeah, just do your thing and the art style is just completely that I can't do it higher read it just for as promial, completely just like you got start to work and then just starting finish it. Just don't be hard to know. Let's not that much love assistance, but just still make it your own. M Like, don't go down on the BREWT overy or other other series roots where others have just taken creative control and it just changed things up personally for me. Yeah, because it's come a point with with n six hunt, there's been such a little communication with the fans where we don't know what to guy she's planning. We don't know whether he ever plans to write again. We don't know whether he gets he plans on getting someone else to finished the series, if he's just going to end series the way it is, if he's just going to wrap it up and rush it, kind of like what you're done with did with you. You how can show? We don't know, and I think that's the major problems, just the lack of communication. So hopefully in the next you know, a couple of years something will pop up and you'll say something clarify stuff, where for me personally, it's probably the best anime story. Ay, six each year. Face...

Amazing, I think it just just from a story perspective and in terms of like world building and everything. It's out there with one, one piece like those. Those two are probably the two anime where the story so big, the world is so big, that people are really, really invested. Harsh to not bring that back when at least give the people who've invested into it an explanation. Of Fun. On my knees this dark once the US to see. I'm on my knees to get the whole of this dark, the dark. It's it's so good that we're like near the beginning of the Ark and it's been amazing. So I think, I think this. I think this Ark is actually called the succession. Is the succession wars. Will see how we got dragged in down to hunts again. But Yeah, new Sharman King Anime teaser. It's come out. Would you guys think I know watching it? Yeah, I'm watching it. I need because they need to need to write the wrongs of what they do. The enemy side needs to watch it. Remember the anime how it ended, because I used to watch I ever watched it, and then I didn't follow it through. But just hearing, based on what you guys have said, that it just didn't follow the Mangu. It comes because like different route. Not have to rewatch it like this remake to kind of see what it was supposed to be all about. Yeah, yeahcause I think I read the bank off and I realize how much you don't mate, because I remember how that enemy ended with I thought, with your well, I think English. Yeah, just I think it will just done a gay spirit to him. Then you next you know, you see some giant size of me tomorrow, taken on what they called Zeke. I think they could in Zeke in English stuff. Yeah, Zeek, Zeek, with his spiritified, I taking the spirit kingdom, become stump, big golden kind of spirit. Somehow you'd feed him, but that was it was completely weird because the Manga complete divert. There's a little stuff in the Magot that did happen in, I mean the anime likes there's certain characters actually died, came at the life, etc. Are Yeah, it completely divert or some looking forward to see that as in the anime now, but they actually do a whole thing. I'd have to go about you all again, similness, because I watched it when it was on. I was a false kids. Yeah, Fox kids, that's a Fox kids. Well, might have been. Might even period. Yeah, maybe for this. Remember before for jet takes, it was for the false kids. M Fox kids take jet it. Yeah, right, I think. I think I did watch it on Fox kids. But the problem was back then you didn't have the liberty of watching anime episodically. You just had to watch it when, apart from Jacks us, because because of how big it was, everything was just washed when you got the opportunity to watch it. I mean what, we're school kids. If someone said they want to watch something else, if your parents aid you want to do ones what something else, they're going to watch something else. But so I watched a lot of the episodes that I've watched, let's say, for example, episode one, in episode thirteen, then episode for and at the time it wasn't really a big deal for me because we're so used to like American British cartoons, where everything's episodic. So you can just take it as an episode and then move on to whatever. But obviously, in hindsight we know that it had a proper storyline. The episode's flowed. You did need to watch it in order to make sure everything made sense. So that's why I'm probably going to try and read it. I try and read it. I think I'm going to do the same thing to read that Manga again. I actually did the Michel, so I may read it again. I think what's suddenly again I'm made do I'm thinking about what's because I because I think I can find and you know, what's a boat. I read it and then watch the animal. I can see because of before that final it was a bit before that. There was a point, I think I kind of remember where it kind of by post off. So I'm going to probably read this fund at the of that, but then I'll just watch the anime and that they will do get anything, you know, to justice. In news from earlier on in the week, Microsoft have purchased possessor.

Big News. That is massive. That is really big news and I can't remember how much it was, exact figure. I remember the big it was seven point five billion dollars, ten point five billion dollars. It's a second biggest. gave me that quisition wasn't the companies outs first. I think the first one was April five or comment, but covered the names of the companies in this vault. But it's the second other. It's obviously the second biggest. Be One of those I zingo own companies, phone so gaming companies. But yeah, probably something means that they have the dying like he's fall out elder scrolls of the scrolls. There's a few stars. Funny enough, we talked about this. It's a few too a couple times exclusive that. So He's game that it's not over by Microsoft their flute. And name the other one. He's in my mind. There was Tokyo. That was something. Did it in a horror game. Yeah, it was that horror game. Something Tokyo or something common before the name of it. But yeah, and also, do you do Metano? One Do metannal on game pass? That's amazing, Mass Mad. That's mad. Yes, now, I mean you got dishonored, you got the evil within starfield. Obviously, range race series, Wolphenstein from Stein doom quake. That's massive. It's massive. It's a it is actually such a huge deal. It's full it's still means to be see what marks of going to do, whether somewhere like the future game, maybe the elder score six with that will be like expox only, or they still have a lot of games multi platform just make even money off it's there. It's something. That's the important thing, because I don't know what Sony and marks of what their relationship is that currently obviously they competitors, but obviously having these franchises only on an xbox console probably going to cause a lot of the issues for a lot of people. Yeah, with a lot of indecision with purchasing, because there is like a subsection of games who that's all they play. They only players, you know, your Sky Rims, your fallouts, these are just the games they played. Like the FSA has that quite a bit of a cup fundament kind of reminds me of valve people who, you know, stuck by Valve Games. So I don't know. I don't know what that's going to mean. They could, they could potentially just allow the playstation to still have these titles, but, let me see, there's going to be some money made on it. Put All these Games on game pass? Yeah, yeah, because a lot of them, my comment strates a game past or seed as well. So it's a big that's made gay puss so much better as well, which is bad. But the vodue that you get as well for that money is actually mental. But they could do as you said, maybe just those ipiece, as you know, still have the more platform because they do minecraft after the rules. So they could probably deceive with a lot of the first as titles and much so will be your mate will be? It's going to be interested to see you had a xcloud launched. Yeah, this week. It's launch this week, wasn't it? We Heah, I for some reason it didn't. I found out about xcloud the really late instead of when. There's a lot of talk about it before. I didn't really hear much about it. But obviously, if you don't know, essentially you can stream your games from the cloud on two different devices, so android, windows, PC's all sorts of tablets. Owns here for yeah, phones. So essentially what happens is you, I mean I've seen the phone version. The friend of mine is got it and he bought the there's a controller for repher and then you have like a stand for your your screen, and he was playing destiny on his mobile phone. Okay, that's it. He's playing destiny on evolved and I just think in my wow, this is insane. Yeah, and it goes back to something we discussed earlier where obviously nintender MACs off have a good relationship. If I x clams that, I could see that happening. If they put on the switch, it probably break the game industry, like it would be massive. The seals with sales of sales of switches, switches a lot of people sky rocket,...

...because I know full well I would definitely invest in game. Yeah, on on switch. I did the same, as I know myself a that to you do the same as well, because that is mental. Have those games on the go to play muscle, which absolute meant to well, do that. But speaking of foul gaming as well, because I think I've said before, I think x Coun's going to have it. To be honest, stuff it is. It seems that be seems a better opposition than stay here. And you just also heard this. Because of all that, Amazon I coming out their clouds gaming service called lunar. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, so that's some news as well. I'm, I'll be honest, not interested be even. To be honest, I can't lie to you. The only one that I really have any interest in this can't, is Xcel, to be honest. Stages just for on. Still Bombing Luna, they said. I think they're doing it. Are they doing an open access in America at the moment and it's like five hundred ninety nine dollars. So I think it's TVs. They even meant to getting on. I was actually funny enough. They got a little and IOS. I was watching offing about it. I don't know. Wait, I don't know how that's happened, because you can't. But don't worry, apple, apple close it down. Is because they done it through webster. Line's not the APP store. It's like you going to webster. I think it's online webs so you can download web ap or something. But don't worry, we shot that down. Sooner. Off they'll shut down an free I think I can see them start it down very quickly, rapple. So yes, to go with the shot it down quickly so we can say it's a IIS now, but we'll get shut down. But yeah, Luna's been announced. L really interested to watching that to myself or but yeah, move on to some key questions and some key anime questions as well here for today. Yeah, you guys are talking another language. I was like yeah, just so we get to watch my gaming back times. Last first question I'll ask, I guess, is and what anime have influenced you personally? Oh, that's deep. Yeah, that's very deep. And what do you think is, what do you think as shaped your your n preferences in terms of like, from when you first start until to the kind of things that you watch today? That's the tough question. I think it's not easy. I think the see fair. I'm just trying to think, because back when I was a kid with animals, I've watched before. She said I was poke one at a time. I think POKEM was a big one for me the POKEMON anime first came out, because the Games are out and I just laugher. I love this. So straight with the get go, just meet these dad met even wanted to be the very best. You know, it be the very bestial then. I think that's it the tone from me as well. Why? It's a lot too fair. What's a lot of things I didn't wise now that actually until now, I realize that that she anim yeah, but that type we had. I think that's got from early age. So I had the early from the first Fox kids first came out. I'd like Anime such as Samurai pizza cats, those one call having yeah, those another one that has you love cool tech moment where they called it take a man in Japan. It was a Mecca's. Yeah, it was definitely a necker anime, but that one and Salem Moon actually, as will be my sisters watch a lot as a kids, actually loves as a kid watching it. You just say that mean guy. Okay, I like, are you still watching? On CI TV? I S say, Oh my God, I never forget and never ever forget when someone told me, Oh yeah, go on this website. It's called it's called Dragon Moon X, although they they even what they took. So is this a new anime? I don't know. Is it? Well, soon that to be as well? So crazy because it was so long ago. This was like this is, this is before broadband, back on dialog, back and I remember I was on my was at my uncle's house and he had a get a good pc for the time. I think it was like a Packard Bell's going to explore our win on the website and I was remember website. She's the kind of loaded some weird way. was like the screen starts. Yeah, I remember that, at least it did. Young I would have thrown the school. Oh my word. Yeah, and then this, this website,...

...just it's just dragon boo Z characters having sex with, say, the Moon, characters here good at school. Literally. Yeah, it was so crazy and I was just like what might like. My heart was beating thee you. Have you ever been like on a website or whatever and Joe, maybe in a public place or you're with people. I was. It's and then you just get the magic. I can't imagine be luckily, I remember my uncle's watching TV. I thot my dad was there speaking and I was just in a computer in a corner. Yeah, you got lucky. I didn't. My word, that was insane. I don't things. I don't remember. Who told me to go on the website. Well, this is he knew what they would do. So was my childhood? Well, I think, because you're the seconds for the time, and so I was. I was it, I think. Yeah, and then I was in school one time. I feel I just wanted to because my ins it was shorty at home. We didn't get any dial up at the time, so I just went on the stool computers thinking what was the search, because I un I love dragons at the time as well. So I just want, let me see with drug but use them one like good and draggle like Dragon Ball, superstaan level ten million in it, of course. Yeah, I'll do all of that crazy chase them. Yeah, I used to trace as well. It's a trace as well. But yeah, I was thinking, I just must be some be drugs. And then I and now googling and I clicked on something. Then they just, yeah, showed them outsat Mater Sus. It was like, go, could so RENA doing something that shouldn't be seen? That that which my teachers right behind. I could, yeah, I could so much this. There's something really unsettling there about seeing characters that you may associate or tribute to a certain series being reduced to porn stars. Bu It's really it's rustly fair enough if they've come from a series where, you know, let's say it's prison, sable or whatever. It's not really it's not really a big deal. Yeah, that's the kind of show it is. Yeah, so you know, what kind of fans they have. And you know was it was the rule, rule called rule let school something. Oh, yeah, I can't, but basically, whoever it is rule something, and it basically rule means. It's like an Internet rule. Quote Unquote. Rule means if, if it exists, there's porn for it, that's the rule. That's the rule. But yeah, it's something realness uncertaining by it. Lord Help Hustle. anyways. Anyways, still, listen, listen. There's like, wait, influence you. I wouldn't say it's quite a deep question, Chris. You get that deep, but I will say like my preferences and terms of I mean an amazed I watched for and the one that watch now has definitely changed. As a child, you know, the shown in stuff is type of genres that you're introduced to. It helps you up and I guess it kind of stays you. You have time and it's the type of job you continue to like. But I think in terms of the ANIMAS that I prefer to watch now, I'm more into the more thought provoking stuff and for provoking the sense where I'm able to identify some of the real world kind of influences. They are kind of included of an anime where I can see like wow, like this is how this is where they've taken this kind of this this issue here and they've incorporated it to the anime and it makes it a lot more realistic as well. And also I feel that it gives mean insight into the whole thinking process of how creators start to build their series, the content around it, where they're thinking, and you can just see how much thought is put into those kind of series. So things like psychopass I've always really liked, and even some of the things within one piece I just able to pick out and you can kind of see the where, like as much as there's a lot of fighting going on and the bit of Fan Service here and there, there are some serious key things that can be like identified with in that. So that's something that I prefer now, like this age. I'd say I still enjoy the other stuff, but this one, the ones that I kind of listed now, are I just like to think a bit more. But I know not everyone's like that. Sometimes people just want to watch a fighting that's cool. I love that as well, but it is sometimes refreshing where you can watch a series like that and that's type of I made. That really like keeps my attention more these days. Yeah, I think. Yeah, that's because I know as a kid I love see fighting, etc. Because, yeah, that's what's dragon...

...was. Evil was on the enemies. I used to love as well as a kid because of all that fight, all the fight scenes and stuff. I used to love fight scenes, but as I've gone over older as well, I don't watch anime as much. I remal mango. No, but I like the whole I like world building a lot as well. I like to see how the world is being built, how the whole scope of things are being built up. Then, just like I still love a fight scene, but I like to see the whole scope as a animy that's really good, built well, built up very well. You see all the different parts of the world etc. You live. Yeah, I always like to see different themes. That does touch on real life, like I thinks, attack in time does such and some things like it does. Yeah, different suck touch some of some themes as if we have in real life as well, but I love to see the whole bigger scope as and how they're bringing everything together into a masterpiece, as you say. So as I love one piece, for example, and hey, hunt hunter, I love them Ango as well. And Yeah, I think it's as long if you got you building your world up. Well, I like it. Yeah, we appreciate as well, just like you didn't just slap some characters in some random world and no context around it, and it's just like what is this and the very things all into that twelve episodes were now. Yeah, and it's like who's a main character, and it's just like, obviously, I think each anime will just work a certain way, but when you're the people behind it, have put some foot into it and, you know, really invested in the series, yeah, it really does come across well with fans. When it doesn't, it's just like, well, I just watched this, on to next one and next on to the other one and the next one, and Lyfi's definitely, definitely. Yeah, I think with me, my start of my anime journey began quite similar that everyone else that grew up in the late S. only two hours so it would have been Dragon Ball Z's, your pokemon's dsemon's baby blades. That's how it will started. I just wanted to lade. Yeah, yeah, baby blades. I think you have the thing the little arena? Yeah, yeah, I had that. I still got some my baby laids somewhere. I think it's about gun. As a kid after school from brivary school, they'll be a few muscles apart. Right it stop. Primary School still be there. So what up there the reader? They will just be there. Do Litter rip or baby blades? Before I got it, weast I see's like a metal bowl. That one of those mixing balls you just let it. I've got like two hundreds US use using your mum's pans. Are Cooking into utensils. Yes, yeah, it was those kind of shows back then. I was interested in absolutely everything that that was put out, but it I think the main thing to remember about that is that, because anime was so scarce at the time, we don't have the same we did have the same choice then that I do now. Now there's no chance you'd finish every anime that was accessible to you. Back then you really could everything that was out. There wasn't that many shows out on terrestrial team and tresful television. You could finish everything that was out there. We didn't really have that much in terms of downloading or DVD's. It went that accessible at the time line. Why? I hadn't really been in full flow then. So you just watched what was on TV and I guess that just kind of gave me a background where I just like everything, a little bit of everything. In my way, it was could have been something to romance action. Obviously action was always my preference, you know, but I would watch any anime that came out. I was just watch TV as it was. Anything was on the I TV. I'd watch anything on Fox kids. I'd watched even what I even watched, like more combat shows. That didn't really last too long. You guys watch. Take Your Mei. Let's see it TV. What's up? Take Your Memi? Yes, yes, I did, yes, yes, it was. You got, we got, I mean, but it wasn't on there for very long. It wasn't. But I used to catch it every time went to France because in France they used to show I was found one of growing up. I used to watch anime on TV. Here they used have a selection and in a France still be slight different interests. Will be a lot of taking UNI staymunals shown. They're a lot also the other detective conas on a last sales different stuff, which is all I think. I would have thought detective CONAN would be over here. We never really got I don't remember seeing get to take the coin on here. I don't real we never go here and never I never saw it a hair but I don't think I ever got there to. But...

...you know, I remember when I went to France, Paris as a kid, I watched better botts was saying that's what about. First Got Explosive Meta box when I was abroad to Paris. Then they ended. They came to TV over here. I was like, okay, yeah, I had a really loved Captain Subu start over there. They loved it over on TV. Had A friend from Canada who came over and he was obsessed with ment a box and I used to think, what is this show like? I've never seen it, never heard of it hadn't come out. But I remember looking at August catalog, which our IP to Arcos catalogs. Remember seeing one of the models on there from metal box. I'm just thinking what, they have a model here and we don't even seem to show so actually went to do some dig in because he was he loved the show's completely obsessed with it so I want to do some dig in, and it was obviously it was like a kind of like mech robot, kind of whatever. I'm sorry, you know, this is actually pretty good, and I made me think, like why is this not on television? And that's when I started to think there's a lot of anime that might be out there that we don't see, and I guess I was. I was just watching a lot of anime, whatever was out there. But I think the anime that kind of change my perspectives on what I was going to start watching was probably deafite. So definitely was probably the first anime I watched when I was like it had loads of twists and turned wasn't dependent on combat bottles, all about intellect, and from then it just kind of accompanied with my choice in in Hollywood movies, like, you know, your inceptions, Dark Knight, Your Dark Nights, and you know, Memento, you know, in the movies. Along with those things, it made me lean towards more more shows where things had to make sense, where you had got together, where the story lines weren't just obvious and you couldn't overcome problems by just, you know, using power of friends or random power friendship, the power friendship that is the most fast power in any anim are seen man overcoming everything with the power of friendship and get out there. One of the questions that we all were that we wanted to ask was what do you think the difference is between the show that revolutionary and a show I think was revolution and what was the other one? And fluential versus revolutionary? When tons putting come to Animes, I think Dragon Bull, the Dragon will series, I would say. I wouldn't say if revolutionary, because a lot of enemy something doing the same feeling before it is. Well, I'll say it's influential because it ins were did inspire a lot inspired. For example, you know the Routo. You see even a room with his guard what he wore as a kid. That was kind of a shout to go who's yeah, yeah, Gee as well. So it didn't it was real was inspired. I think the same could be said about one piece as well. Inspired. Yeah, yeah, yeahs old. I probably say that Toriyama's big influence on his work. Yeah, I think. Yeah, Toriyama's inspired a lot of my artists with their Mangas and anime. So I'd say drug was the U S points but I would say it's not revolutionary, but I'd say inspiration. Yeah, influential, I think. Yeah, I think revolutionary has to come before influential. So you know, one anime that just changes the game. Yeah, no one one else, no other anime, can replicate the same kind of successes. And then all the following animis that take inspiration from the revolutionary one then can be given the title as having influence, if correctly produced, created and so on. Yeah, so I think revolution would just would say sailor moon would be revolutionary because you can see the whole sailor, the the route that they went. Yeah, I agree. There was nothing before that like that, before sailing, was there? What I wouldn't say about saying the moon is that I don't really remember too many anime shows where it was action based, but there was still a large focus on women. Yeah, Female Castle, you know, haw being on the forefront, because everything I remember with about differd Nol dominated. The only things I actually...

I can really remember that one that were kind of in that vein were sale the moon. It's a card captures, I'll say, called captures, and I think that was expired. I think they got inspiration from Salem cad yeah, and then, ever, the other thing I can think of growing up was totally spires, which isn't an anime. Yeah, and had similar, similar theme. So I think in that sense it definitely was quite revolutionary. I think for me the ones most revolutionary would probably be astro boy. Yeah, I probably say I should. Yes, I agree. Yeah, agree, agree, because that's true. Boy came out in like the citizens, and it kind of find what we look at as anime today. I mean it's not the first animal to be created, but it's like one of the first to be in in the kind of vein that we now see what anime where it's like action, the animation, you know, the big guys, yeah, the power ups, combat. We didn't really see anything like that before Astra boy. Well, I don't think there was really anything like that before. I should way, I agree. I can't think of anything really that the scope that actually we're hit. I mean, no, I was actually just going to say the only thing I can think of it the other ones I can think over, like Pokemon, because I guess it's been discussed on to her a lot. Donna dipog into it too much, but POCO one sided off as a video game series, the animal they came out. I think anim came up alongside the video getting even double check because I know the anime came out alongside. Kind of. I can't I'm always well, it must have been alongside. But essentially the anime was to promote the video game series. Yeah, I think they went to happen by handing to make it such a big hit. We had never seen a combination of anime and video game work that well in order book to promote each other. Everyone, most people I knew and that were growing up, everyone knew about pokemon. First of all, in one way or another, the the pokemon crazy that night use was just incredible. If you didn't have pokemon, you wanted pokemon. Yep. So it went from playing the video games to now there's a anime for it. And there was something about playing the Games that you play the Games you'd finished and you finished the game and then you'd be trading better than whatever and then you see maybe maybe a pokemon that you've caught in the anime series and it was just like it'll be like huge for you. You'd be so excited to see it. You know anything about the the POKEMON. You know their skills, you know their moves and I don't think I can remember any other anime doing something on that level where it makes you, makes you feel so related even though you've never seen an episode before. Yeah, the POKEMON craze was events because I think vocal is actually one of the first enemies actually cracked the western city like going mazed in usually of it in the west and in the West. Yeah, we looking at now thinking about as well. Yeah, the impact that Pokemon had was immense. Like I quite wannes stay how big it was, because they're the pokemon crazy, especially as a kids, because the games. All the kids one of the Games. But then the cards as well, that was as well. Yeah, the POKMON card crazy as well, was absolutely mental. As a kid, I remember having cards everywhere. I wouldn't say get all the rail cards. I'm about the shiny shorries out for a little bit. Yeah, lost it. Ye, got my cards, my cards. Yeah, the cards. There's not a card game. Yeah, the anime series and video game games, which is all the crazy. The only thing that comes close to that, and it's not really close by the opening in that man, is Youno. I just about to say that because I think the whole the whole year anime and itself, you know, was I think people really love that one so much because I was able to actually buy the cards and play the same game that they will see him being watched and let me see because of yeah, I think the same baby, the same with Digimon, and I think is these things came off the POKMON. So I feel that OAKMO did. That's why we can say, folks, revolutionary, because the way it came out showed, you know, fucking Moss, as they say, Jim Pokemon. You got the Games where you have to catch, no, catch the ball, etc. Yeah, Card days, I think it did. It revolutionized the way they did both game and animated. Give but to sure promote and some will tell you see explode and then nothing inspired as an inspired, inspired story. Did you mung for being, you know, off that. It's...

...it's a shame because Digimon, storyline wise, was so much better than pokemon. I don't know where. I don't know where that they just didn't get it right where, you know, obviously pokemon was much bigger, but in terms of story, I was more into the actual stories. Did you man Pokemons we just you have a story for me personally, I could just watch it any there and tout, okay, that's got, what's going on in todays so kind of thing. Yeah, that's where it kind of lacked in a sense. But it is very clear to see where digims influence comes from, making pokemon very much the revolutionary anime that paved away for the others. That you did such a good point me, because it would because I preferred Pokemon anime. But the reason I prefer Pokemon anime was simply because I could relate to it. I had the cards and had the video game. So I'll see the characters he had in the gate, the poke we had in the Games. Seen them one you know, animated on TV as a kid watching them. YEA, and I love thing. This is the thing about and I said this plenty of times to so many people, when I was young, I didn't know there was such things as bad games, bad anime. Any anime was good anime. If I didn't ye, yes, didn't get it, that's that's what it was. Yeah, so they were all brilliant to me. They're all amazing. I'd want to watch anime all day if I could Oh anime all day, but obviously as you grow up you realize you know, time is limited. You can't just investure time into anything. But yeah, you can see the models and the kind of TV series that came out after pokemon. We have Digimon, disimal, they release cards, they release video games, the whole the whole constant, the whole story is built up in a way where it's easy to translate over to a video game. Baby Blade did the same thing. They've created a series where they could take it, they could take the main element out of the series and market that as something else. So babies were a whole different market on their own. Yu Yo, same thing. Then you even had the the other ones, like this is so many budget. Yougo or no, I'm not you GIO, there's not a dose back Cougun, I think it's called. Yeah, that was I think that was like yeah, all of these. I think they just stem caughted off that pokem like you have the monsters that maybe battle with your monsters, etc. Against me, I think spakugon, it was like seem like it's kind of mob. We have like come some kind of like monster. We shape the shoe at marble and it was just like. I think that was my coogle. I've really watched it. Yeah, bucking, yeah, Backagd, I think. Yeah, so I think that's another one. See, this is where you say put us, you said folk one. We say poking Pokemon is revolutionary. It was a first. This is why I like this. And then it's look at all the spin offs. Well, that's a gay. We Love Dragon Wall Z. It was great, but the stop a nostag just keeps killing my peps. Think about did I mean it helped? It helps bring animates to the West. Fair and yeah, but then again, becauld say poke won did that for it. You could, you could slightly say that slyly, you could see pop did it before. I'm because it, but then they gain. We didn't know what animal laughing kind. And you know, you need to remember about Dragon will z. The thing you need to remember about Dragon W Z is that when dragon ball ended, Toriamo was then convinced to making the second series in Z forse him. Yeah, because it's Dable, but then he ended up the success of Dragon will you kind of supposed to do drugs. Even wanted a sequel. How he was forced to do it, because I'm glad yeahs much as I can say. Its part was amazing, but yeah, not GT. Yeah, yeah, he was too faggt wasn't really here. So we know what a don't time of the name is attached to the brand. I didn't know. I actually didn't know get was bad until I started talking to our anime fans. I didn't know of anything was good. But Yeah, the thing about dragon ball was that they changed this series so much that it's almost like Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z or set for us, are in like different worlds. There was so different. Dragon Ball had such an emphasis ful story and fantasy and the way the wind. Thing about dragon balls that I watched dragon ball off after ball Z. I did say you. Yeah, I did the same, I think, because I think you did the same as me, because Dragon B Z came out here first two thousand, then they did get and then they did dragon ball or cartots its slu good, and then last that's when Dragon Ball was released.

And interesting because I watched it the other way around the time. I was lucky. Yeah, because I was kind of introduced anime by my mom and she used to watch draggle ball back in the day as well. So when I go to France, I used to watch dragon ball or because dragon ball used to come on TV. So that's how I watch. I can pull first then when I came back and now, as at old there's a Dragon Ball zeds or Dragon Ball Z, and I was like, okay, cool, so I kind of followed it, even I didn't know else, following it. Fully enough, I did before dragons. I just remembered, for Dragon Z came out over here. They showed it in the US. HMM, Dragon Ball. They sow dragon ball in the US. They tried to, and I actually what's like. One of of the Dragon Ball was a kid and I was like when I was in la, but I didn't know what it was. It seemed okay. I think I's like the end credits and where else, but that's like one episode. But then I did and then dragons came out a few years later over here. So but yeah, probably what struggle after what struggles? You GT? I wished that and then it just made me realize because it they're so split, so different, because dragon will read, as you said, emphasize the story and fantasy, and it was all about that fantasy element, since was quite based on journey to the West, or loosely based anyway, when the Dragon Bull Z come out back twozero over here, not like I'm in terms of the actual Oh yeah, in that I say the Manga, for example, S. Oh, yeah, I think, day time time again, two hundred and eighty three. Yeah, and dragon nothing. Yeah, they kept, they kept here in one thousand nine, hundred and eighty nine. Ohred and eighty nine, first episode and eighteen anime come out a little bit earlier. Yeah, and the S and it ended in ninety six. So my thing with dragon balls I had such an emphasis on story and pop progression and everything was scaled down. It wasn't crazy, didn't have super human ability. Is just for sake of having it. My GOKU got such a power boost from I think the Difference Between Dragon Ball and Angle Z is it. It can only be a really a couple of years between the two storylines. It can't be that long, because gold go qu wasn't nothing. Yes, that's he was about sixteen. I think it was actually five years between the two, because find cause. Yeah, because it June. Wedded was like go getting ready to cheat sheet, and then they had in between Dragon Ball, young buzy there go on and then go was like maybe, yeah, five, six years made because God like four or five. Yeah, it Dung will either start of it. So yeah, it was like probably about a five year difference. But yeah, that my thing was when Dragon Bull Z was released, I feel if I feel like they try to not Toriyamas, try to make it so it appealed to that generation and not just making his own storyline. So obviously at the time it was all about, you know, the muscular figures. Ye had your Gi Joe's, your action man's, that kind of thing. Yeah, go, go go. Q was never really that guy. Yeah, it wasn't really a much on my showman. He was a good it was a great fighter and they learned a not during the time skip and Dragon Ball, but he wasn't really like a like a Kinken Shiro in fist of no start. He was nothing. It was nothing like that. But it seems like Dragon Bull Z push for that big difference. And I got a question for you guys, and I you touched on it, just like not to young Aday, just in my gards Astra boy being revolutionary and like influencing so many other series that came after it. But on the subject of Mecca anime. Would you guys agree that animes that have come in recent come out you recent years? pull the influences from Ashtra boy? Will do you think that you know those other you think that have been more influential Mecha animes that have come when I's not popular? But I think a lot of I think the gardens has a lot. I've been Gundam, gunding, some of them series as a big yeah, more than Astra boy and transformer. Sorry, let me not forget transformers as well. Yea True. When transformers, I think it's Goundam. I'm sure Gunda came out in the S. Well, the same. Let me even see, because transforms is quite old as well. I'm trying to even check myself, but I think it may be gound them. As you said, it's a tough one because I think even transformers the first Mecca actually saw thinking about as a kid. Yeah, I think. Yeah, gundance probably older, because transformers start off as a toy line in the S. my eighty four for transformers. So I think Gunden's yeah, Dam s nine. Yeah, Gonden series older. Yeah, about small mobile suit? gunding came out an so yeah, I mean the gunding...

...series really really birth the whole new era of me even just, not even just Mecca anime, but just mecha love in Japan. been to Japan's US still? Yeah, yeah, have all they loved out there. You see how much love Mech Mecha love it. I'm not sure if you guys saw them. They're trying to build a real life statue that moves. And Yeah, on twitter, yeah, I do. You really want statues? That is looking around, but it just goes to show that they they have something like not what I say monuments, but they're like, realize that gun Dun statue, I think is wanting like Yokohama. Someone might be wrong. That m certain regions where they have a dedicated gun damn spots, just Mecca just to go to you. So absolutely love it out there, but in the worst I just don't think it's something that anime watches are interested in as much. I don't know why, but I think, I think. I think they're interested in it in America more so than in Britt Europe. Yeah, and Europe, yeah, but nowhere near as much as in Japan. I'm not sure why that is. I'd like to really know where that is you could just be a cultural thing. Could just be because the guns of series is has a long lineage, I mean from seventy nine. You'RE gonna have a lot of fans and you can have a lot of fans to train up of fans and then you have the figures, the actual figures and anime training. We don't have. We don't really have anything like that in terms of animation. We, especially in in the UK, we don't have anything that up has a major push. We don't really watch, we don't really read comics, even like, for example, I don't be no and all that was popular, but it's not really groundbreaking in terms of the old run that you say that we don't have. We don't really pull it from elsewhere. We put it from other night Manga. We don't as as a population, we don't Really Watch anime, watch cartoons, but I'd say the biggest cartooning in the UK is probably something like the simpsons, which tell you, yeah, simpsons, like family guy. Those are the ones that are really, really big in terms of animation. Yeah, I mean, what's the moment the UK had as a big one for themselves? I think it's a big one to themselves over grand scheming things. Is that big and that it's. Yeah, most a lot of Brits know of what it's. Some women what it's. In gramment, especially slightly, I say, from like the s backwards, would be aware of it. I don't think knew the new kids. Yeah, no, you're right then. You have any idea here? Do? You don't really see on the stagramma like that these days. So yeah, but yeah, Mike, as you said, Michael Wise Dodge. Yeah, Gundam and transformers, but I think they're gunnings right, deafinitely inspirational. Don't know about revolutionary for its. Actually you could. I think. I think you can say Rayb then that you could say the revolutionary of Gond them, because they did bringing the whole big style mecha kind of scene because, you know, you got older, you know people finding Makas. That show did kind of bring that into the format as a lot of different animals and probably try to go off that. I'm rember like back in when I was a black or foxymber ESCO phone during sluescophone, financys, the phone clone. It Jesus. I've seen. I've seen a name, but yeah, it doesn't real what it is. Yeah, that was probably remember if we remember it. But yeah, that was another. Remember that Fox kids and as much like gone them wing, but that's definitely probably inspired off God. then. So I would say franchises revolutionary anyway, acause I said it's brought a new type up. I could I wouldn't be surprised. The transformers is inspired off the actually, since it came on like a few years after the transformer toys. Would you say there's a negative inspirations? You've seen when you mean negative Jimmy, for example, there's been a series that has come out and but just been like its inspired a lot of rubbish. All right, we put it that way. And if it wait, what the power friendship? I don't we start the powerfully? That I need to find out. Also, yeah, which anime start the whole fan servicing? Because he was watching, when I was watching, when we were watching. I know innocent and I back in the day like nine times without no babe. I was it a I eat two. I do not remember all this time service coming...

...about. So which anime started that as well? Those are the two to be sorry, but you remember to go me to not to not. Yeah, jungle had friends of is actually funny enough. Remember the Goky looking down boom is nickers and taking them off and realize that there's no bulls. We never, we never got that explain, did we? How boom ended up being around the same age as Goku, even though he was a kids, even though the Google was told actually, but it was. Yeah, it was. They said the same age, same Bob was. If what's okay, okay, what was years older for the midget was a Google's amitted for a kid, I mean for his ages and Che that I know Grosper. I think, I think it could explain that. You know, he's not on his home planet where you're the air quality. Mike's stun in his. So I don't find that. That is it to do that? Like I forget, like I forgot a whole character of mean, I get he's the same button, a little bit of even the gravity at a graphic, you know, the force of branks. Want to take one of earth and it is when the way week its Asian enough to now. You do remember in Dragon Ball, see, but when next plain the whole backstory of like how about Planet Vegeta was destroyed? There was all grown in pods in it. So this this pot got ejected like and to Earth. So who say? Say you didn't grown off in the POD? Yeah, I just think I don't know about that. I don't trust security to an explanation, because things like explanations are being made after the fact. A definitely with dragon wall, absolutely the stiffly that. It's definitely that. But you know, fancer full enough not be did so someone we've found service is all actually remember outlaw staff that had. I'm sort of had a yeah, it did. Yeah, that's that's the first anime I ever done. I don't never yeah, we're one of think there's a woman who comes out of a box and she's naked. Comma name Horm be half the characters names of that happening. It's been it's been a bitter it's probably been about sixteen years, as I've seen almost yes, definitely the same for me. Sixty seventeen years sons got the names of the but that definitely had the first time. Is a sort of fan service. I'm not sure which anime started fan service, but yeah, you could see that's what they some people say supposed something. This is supposible. My my my sorts of fancy is a pretty clay. I'm not. I'm not the biggest fan. Yeah, is this come on like this right now? strecks a lot, and then it also makes it. It makes it hard for for me to recommend certain anime. Yeah, I remember. I remember recommending show Yeck, you know, Si more to someone. Oh, yeah, and it's good, but I get what you need, because here's the thing. They go over the top with the way, you know, people do their food, the food gass of everything. I've been watching an anime for so long that I can deal with fans of service and it wouldn't really make a big impact on the old or my overall thoughts and kind of blur it out because I know, I know it's catered to a certain audience and that will that audience is, you know, the Japanese men. Yeah, we're being frank. So I know it's going to be there in some capacity a lot of the time in pretty much all anime these days. So I can blot that out. But when I'm recommended animate to someone who's never seen anime and I've recommended sugar get, you know, so as a cooking anime, and for the most part a lot of people would be interested in it because it's cooking. They've got interesting recipes, the animations are nice. It's quite an easy thing to get into. It's not like power levels and stuff. Is simply cooking. And I remember recommending it someone. I remember the first episode and they saw Suos exclude those explodingle I know, very, very suggestive right straight from the off. Yeah, it's a bit, but it's it been. And then I was asked the question, is this what you watch? So you're what you'd like a child too too. It's a good idea. So is this why you recommending it? And how do you even answer question like that? I'll be lost the world. I would say no, no, you have to just watch it. It's ignore it. You can't, because they can't, because this is, you know, this Ma maybe the second anime you've ever watched their life. So, yeah,...

...same with Kakaguri. I sometimes, as I get it, but yeah, to do this. Just played the game and it thinks go on for an uncomfortable amount of time, like there's a time when it's like okay, it's happened, but then still going and it's like now you're making it allkward for me and my friends. I'm okay watching it by myself, but when I've got a few company watch I'm trying to I'm trying to watch out work, and it's just like yes, you know, forget this, you know, Watch Anna at work. Wow, yeah, I figured I was at the friends are animal, because some of these have too much fans, when it's like you have about what anime you want to show these people based on the storyline and the genre, and then if it's got fand service will not, and how bad the first service is, because like fire force as well. I like that's a good anime of Thinkin it's a good manner to read, but the fan service is a bit over the top. Sometimes never go that ratherly that they will. They call it the euros, or was some I don't know where they call it, but this will rather the end up in Alka positions, the maddest decisions from full it's yeah, it's stop it, stop, it's. That was like the funny thing. Is actually good anime and Manga, but yes, some of the fan service could be over the top of there as well. It's just like that. As I'm glad there's there's there's a genre of actually, because you can leave all those people to watch or they need to watch. Oh, simple, it's all in the one place for they didn't have to search. Yeah, just give it with to them. We give they got a whole genre to themselves. What's your stuff? Enjoy it. Let us our story lines. We don't want to just see thirty minute minutes of breast bounding, you know. Yeah, still, I really want to wander. An actually started whole. Yeah, think in from memory, just power friendship's just has to be in the retail a number one, but I don't know what anime came before that. That discipline about her friendship. I feel like drug will z had some of that. It's like how a friendship in Dragon WI Z I was. Yeah, there is like not to the same level, what a lot. Yeah, it's not to the same extent, but there is slight like you feel like it's enough to inspire lessen Yourta Uto, and in Naruto too, unfortunately, is quite dude right, very tale, very so. It didn't either. Remoss beforehand, I'm sure I had a lot of that. Again, not as much had it find last monster and then I realized who wrote it and then I wan across over episode and now it just feels like my whole life is a lie. Hey, you know he's you know he's got you ban go. No, interesting even. Yeah, the far friendship is even. Guy represental. I read that Manga. He loves the power friendship. This is this is a hero problem for a Mashima. You're rehimer. I was it. Yeah, he loves the power friendship is it is works because our fairy tale, that one was bad with it. HMM, my in, my mom's dead comes back. Her friendship just resuscitates him right there and then it's like our friendship about the life he's he's terrible. How can you be a suicide bomber? You've jumped someone, you've decimated your bomb alongside someone. This guy has sacrificed himself and they're both fine. That's you're taking a piece. A hundred episodes. Yeah, I thought an invested that. I can come back. You know, I'm still mad about that. A hundred. I command you that. Yes, she was a hundred episodes. I don't feel I could. I don't fuck. I've read the bag. That was enough. I couldn't do that of me. I could be bad of me. I just that's too much. Do what power of Fridge makes you creage. It's too much. But come on, or what the what anime? It's by the floor of the stupid for you get some of these. I drug was he had to say. The thing is that Plotma and and you know, power of friendship is not something this anime only. Yeah, it's so, yeah, movies. It's across the you don't really know where this may come from. I mean, when you think about it, you got power of friendship and stuff like in a power rangers. Power Ranges Definitely, Oh, maybe that, maybe is power rangers. Dead Superson not even had to announce the rest of it since I worried. Is Yeah, that's what.

But yeah, it could have been power rangers. I started all of it goody, because it was originally because you know, when we got my Morphin, that was the third series of it. HMM, that was a third series of Super Centai Warriors, when we got like the original White Wolf Him. So believe it was that. fuglant. Yes, yours is a simpies. Can they just put American cost of an existing show and just say no, steln Hey, but it made so much more. A became a powerhouse. So he got poke them too. Much. I love the power resions the kid myself. So Watch. I Still Watch. You know, I'm not gonna Yeah, I love the parades. I love the few I loved. I had like purried to toys. I love all the Zords and everything, and I had like pary just practicing bok when I was in year one. I love pigs the kid. But yeah, now, that could have deaf you. In spite of parish from ship and a lot of enemies, but they're the super center over there. So I don't mind clot armor as long as it makes sense. It's like, Nah, just this one should be dead already. All Right, what? This one died the last ending, and I think he does that quite well. Yeah, from category you apart from the yeah, yeah, yeah, I've come to piece. One, come to piece with that body. I hear, I hate, I've heard. I've heard so many fairies and all sorts in little this and no. Honestly, yeah, I don't know. Basic standpoint. I don't think she didn't want the fact that should have been an overwhelming loss. I feel about fire. Yeah, you didn't deserve that when not that way, but it's at least OK. A one piece is in the or what bleach is terrible for Plotma, absolutely terrible Leech. Some of something makes sense like you to go. Man came with final get against eyes, and you know it was really why not? Getting stuff everything in? It is flipping human. He's Chilic on me. He's a hollow, he's Quincy my man. Any makes you could not we can maybe probably want that as well. People actually Scott that heritage. Just kick it in when he needs it. Yeah, so it all was dumb, but man beat someone that I could actually change faith with anyway he wanted. I don't get that. Fortunately, is ended so that, hey, let's not forget, they're coming next year. Happens and it doesn't. I'm joking. If he's gonna bring it back and he's gets out together, not just try and do things a piece of fans. It just feels like he's letting the fans right that don't know. What he's doing is bring back the anime. Is going to animate that whole final arc and he will speak with the will see what the bullshit for everything. So don't get Chris, you I'm watching. It's here. You know. That's fair enough. I don't feel much because I had after arfter that with the Manga. I feel I can't. I can't. I will see that gay. Well, I made any final thoughts on inspiration? Yo, yeah, you have could show. Yeah, yeah, butcher that name. Thank you for still you save me there. But yeah, you have, could shoot. Yeah, that a second days. Okay, you don't. I didn't know manny was in this, Padkay to see to Shaw. But inspirational for you. That one, I feel, was quite inspiration. You know, we've I feel it helps as wellcouse in one of those they come out of regin. Was the s on an early s nice early night. It must it's quite old. So yeah, I think. I feel that it's not on to help with showing and Genre B where it is. That's a short is it shorten, though? I caught it shown and you know this is shown. Sure, yeah, and it came out in night to my to. Okay. Yeah, so I think it's one of them about help, you know, help show them, as will be where it is today. So I feel a lot of the show is probably ideas of like you know, went spire form, my dragon series. I'm not going to say it. Yeah, I could she focus. You have could shoot. You have cold shoot. Okay, yeah, you have can shoot, I I got it. But yeah, all right, but it's all right. I feel personally that the been a lot of inspiration and revolution. I think inspiration also, there's been things like, for example, Sam Russian blue, which kind of loved it. Yeah, kind of open the gateways for a crossover between hip hop culture and anime culture. And, as we know now, it's big, like anime and hip hop really go together really well in all facets,...

...video games, anime, all sorts. And then you your you've got your shows like your full at your full metal alchemists, which kind of shown people that you don't need to go over the top with an anime for it to be good. You can have it for what it is and then end the series and then just leave it at that. So we've seen that. Then we've seen you know, you're in the Ruto's your one, you're on the Routo bleach and one piece, which paved the way for long running series. Yet would you say that the big freeze repelationary or yeah, the Big Three is definitely revolutionary, and I think the reasons revolutionary is can be both good and bad, because it's it's made so many Mangaica wants to have shows where they go on for very long periods of time and not all awesome, not all as successful and and the main thing is that a lot of them do who fall off as think as they go on, because it just seems like you're biding time for no reason, just to extend the length of the series. We have shows that one piece which we can clearly see there's there's an idea behind why it's so long and it hasn't gotten worse with time, whereas when you look at bleaching the Routo, it shows you the up. I mean, fair enough, one piece hasn't ended, but bleaching the Routo you can clearly see that they got progressively bad. Yeah, latter stages of the series so, but because of the success of the series of both of them, it's made other shows want to do the same thing, to going for long, long periods of time, very very bad pacing in order to extend the periods of time. And I don't know, I'm not the biggest fan of that for the most part, but I'm a lot of these as well. You have, especially when the anime was a lot of them will have fillers coming in between. Hope they don't go to the route, the Ruto route, which was had a stupid amount of fillers, but a lot of them. Maybe we'll go down to fill the space between, you know, trying to get space out between the Manga and the May and have the fellers made, which may not be the best as well. But yeah, I agree with you. There a lot of these, as said, bleased to decline. The rutter was quite good for a long period of time, even a longer period of time the people complete. Yeah, exactly that, because a lot of people we just saved. The root of pot was good and part two was rubbish, but part two was good for a long period as well. I think it's just when it got to the war when it just that's when it really went. But I feel with the climber look good. Before that it was still quite I feel was quite good a lot of parts. Who Nice guys. People usually remember endings. Yeah, I agree everything that you've said. You've you guys are both kind of reference in terms of just examples of animis. I have like shaped us and I actually forgot about how influential Sam Rice stamp he was. I've I think I re watched that series every year because even I know what's going to happen, but the music bangs. It's just such a simple storyline and you did touch on that. It just gent went to show that anime and just matches up so well. Big Three, I think definitely where whether you should are revolutionary and influence me. Like I remember when, obviously not not when beach ending but ended, but Naruta, when the route ended as bad as the ending was, and there's we know that it wasn't perfect, but I didn't know what to do. Guys, I just watched it. I was like what do I do? What sad when, because I stopped watching it during the war and then I started just watching the main fights. Yeah, it's like actually didn't know what to do. I got to last chapter. I just like, Oh, yeah, not to do so it. When one piece ends, I don't know I'm going to do. Eva Like I want to be distraught for week I've taken annually. I don't do what I have to do, but I I feel it's like I aged five years when they were ended, as bad as it went, as bad as it got. It was a very, very big part of me because I've been what I've been reading the Ruto since about two thou and three. Yeah, how long that is even in time into waiting. When was it ending? Fourteen, twenty fourteen. Fourteen was when the Manga ended. Yeah, yeah, I mean the Manga. Sorry, yeah, the Manga. That like the fifteen. So I was reading it for twelve years. Yeah, I think that's the same years and that's a long time to have something that you know, you can look forward to in the week for the most part, every week for the most for twelve years and for that to end it was just kind of like wow,...

...there's a big part of my life going mangus, Manga streams, anger as a Manga spoilers, Manga cleaners. You know, back in the day used to have like fur parties who would clean the Manga. I think. I mean it's still the same situation now, but there was only those less people, though. Do about the yeah, Manger Cleaner's website. Look at the spoilers, the league's that come up. We get that actual translation. Yeah, I was doing all of that for years and then for that to just end was just a part time job stuff. That's part because I think I was the same as well, because I think it was like two thousand and four, maybe two thousand and five. Started me was the Routo, bleach and one piece, all three at the same time. I was exposed to from my mat and because my mate he had this guy. He had the biggest collection of the because he used to rip the minute and put them on to CD. So he gave me I had so over the summer gave me some like huge world of CDs, all of these episodes of Ruto, one pleet, one piece and bleach, all burnal to see D's I had. This allows US watching throughout the summer, too fast for someone. was watching these, watching these, watching these, catching, just watching through and I got hooked from then and I started reading after that and then it was just like but, and then when the route end, it was just like wow, I can't believe that's funny. Over, yeah, and it's just like afternoons. It ended like I just I did know what to do. I'm being Jamadi. I didn't know what to do and I think it's not until my hero, I could make came along that it kind of filled the voyage for me a bit, just a little bit. Yeah, kind of needed something to replace it. So I'd take that, but when he's can't be replaced. Just can't. Yeah, how I don't know. That one will hit me a lot harder because I love one piece a lot more than I loved the room bleach. So that one, and I think other said it would be like for five years with it. So I think about but in yeah, I don't want to think about it. Yeah, it's been great. Guys, farm I really enjoyed this episode. I've enjoyed it too. So, poly, would you like to give your socials follow up? ONS on twitter, puns on the school, on instagram. Still, you guys can find on twitter at Astralla ate under school and you, Chris, you can find me on twitter. Quick, Star, quick, cool. Sorry, kill a Pisa. I'm joking. The one on twitch? Yeah, Oh, yeah, I've got twitch as well. Obviously I'll start streaming sue discord. You got a discord seven now? Or is academia on this? Chord and dope gets follow us for as I could deem your on twitter and instagram. Yes, twitter and instagram. Leave comments, ask questions. Will probably just answer of the next episode and one more as well. We do. We started to stream more content so you see every Saturday we got s two Saturdays. Some US just gets given place of the two, and Sundays we've got something called showed on Sunday. So we just play a different games. But if I gives that smash, me get some street fighter in some tech and so yeah, the follow for as academia on twitch and see, I'll see no getting our gaming on. Cool, cool, thanks guys, until next the next time,.

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