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Episode 11 · 1 year ago

Animes that fell off || Episode 11

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

It's so easy for anime series to start off on the right track, gain popularity for their plots and characters then to eventually fall off and lose the interest of viewers. The 4 Eyes Academia cast talk about reasons that can lead an anime series to fall off, by discussing series and characters that have may have lost popularity over time.

On this episode: @chrinkster @theprimetales @toomannyman @estrella8_

So, Hey everyone, are you listening to episode eleven of the for Eyes Academia podcast? So we're back. Let's talk about some more nerdy topics, as we do every week, and today I'm joined by Prime Chris, and money was it had to people's hello, hello, hello, Yo, and today will be discussing anime series and anime characters that fell off. But as you know how it goes by. Now, before we get into the main topic, we're going to start off briefly by discussing this week's latest news. So many of you may already know now, but sadly, on the twenty night of August, it was announced that Chadwick closeman had passed away from coding cancer. So he was had produced and starred in lows and knows of films, including Black Pant Far, in which he brought the marvel character keen to Charla to life. And, as many of you agree, that this news came as a shock to so many different people, like fans all over the world. But we've literally just seen everyone kind of pouring out their their feelings are on the situation. So, yes, ween, really sad guys. Yeah, the death was was a shock to me and most people I know, simply because it wasn't out there publicly. It's seemed like he kept a lot to himself and having to deal with, you know, rumors and questions on his weight loss and the whole host of other other things that, you know, social media predominantly does, while, you know, getting ready for movies, while taking care of his family well, going under Chemo therapy, surgery, whatever he was trying to do to, you know, help his situation. It's just it's like he was basically like a superhero, in my eyes anyway, and it's sad. It's sad to seeing go so young, at forty three years old, knowing that he had, you know, a lot left in him, a lot left to give to the world. But my condolences. I thought the same way and it's even more death can always be devastating when anybody does, but I feel like it's a bit more worse when you see so many people are pouring the love for the specific person, how great of a human being it was and how much loved, and it was black white. A lot of people, and seemed seemed quite a few people lose that, it's very difficult to sleep and very difficult to take. So even though I person do you know him, and I know a lot of people didn't, but the still feel some type of way about it. It was just a very sad day for anybody that witnessed it or anybody that was a friend of and for or anybody that found representation important. Yeah, yeah, I feel like it was. For me person kind of hit me differently in the sense that the way he went about it was all graceful and he didn't make a big, major kind of take about it. Wasn't like a big old specter spectacle, and I think that it was. It was different in the sense that people have long term conditions, like their battling stuff every day, and he was balanced up every day and you'll still out here film in movies that bringing fire. Some of the most noble characters are people have heard, and even the likes of black pant for and other characters that are that are amazing different films it's portrayed and knowing that he's doing he hit done that while undergoing like Kim chemotherapy, various surgeries in between films and wanting to push himself. was just amazing person. I think it's testament to who he is as an individual. Yeah, I agree with everything that you guys have said and one other point that I wanted to touch on is that, you know, well, the past couple of days and it has been a lot of feelings of sadness around his death. I would say nice to see is him being praised and acknowledged for for his work, because it tends, I think, one of the things that tend to be repeated is, but you know, when people and icon's past, you know, often said that, you know, they're not of knowledge and they're not given a flowers when they're when they're a life. So I think, I think he I think he knew the impact that he had had and and I think he was aware that, you know, he was acknowledged for all the things that he had achieved. I think I think, you know, a bit of praise is probably due to be given to some of the directors and producers he's worked with, because it would be very, very easy for them to use that situation to promote their work and also it would be it would be very difficult to...

...work with actor, especially actor who was going through what he was going through. I've no doubt in my mind that they were they were aware of his situation and most of the cost that he worked with. I don't think it's something you can really hide. But for the fact that the news did not get out. There was, you know, very, very few rumors about what was going on with his health. I think as a testament everyone he surrounded himself with and everyone he confided confided in. Yeah, definitely, because I was pretty much kept under you know, under rapps. We didn't really know what was happening with him. So yeah, definitely agree on that. He had a solid team around him. That, you know, was they are able to support him when he was going through when he was going through everything. So yeah, next topic is more around gaming in particular. So the Ratchett and clank of the part extended Gameplay Demo was recently released. I'm not sure if you guys have had a chance to to review that and if you have, like, what are your thoughts? Ay Man, yeahll guys knows me, your boiler Plimi, Lama Black Ire, the one and only. I'll show. I'll SHOWINGTON and this is my game. So birds grow ness manager said that. You guys hang in, but I'm say it as it is ratchet and clank. The gameplay extended demo that we saw was amazing. Like, from what developer said, there's no loading times of in the game and to see how beautiful they game was and obviously the minor tweaks to their heads up display, which, if you are rutching clank fan like myself, would have seen, was good. But I think most importantly was just how beautiful visually the game lot tonight. It is a lot and seeing the growth like growth on every console and how cepes and go from strength to strength is just it's just amazing for me, man, like I'm looking forward this one I really get hands on it. By the way, I'll tell you again Tony Hawk did no loading times in two thousand and five. You are saying stuff that I do not care about. Who Much only and fuck hawks. Who over there, man, are deam could for an event. I don't care anyways. I mean the only thing I've heard about this game is that they've they've I think there's a sixty frames the second mode, because I think initially was any must be thirty him, but I don't think that's k. So you can't have a full case sixty with this game, which I guess doesn't bother most people, especially they're the target audience. I mean for I mean sixty, sixty FPS. I mean most people. I mean I guess the average game. I won't really know the difference. To be right, manny, manny, would you notice, job, the difference in sixty and very bright money would notice the difference between sixty and thirty? Friends was okay, so, so noble noticeable difference? Then it is notable. Okay, fine then, I mean, I don't really care. Man, I played I've very much and clinic on on pierced so civic sty but the difference is sixty and thirty. Phrase per second is as kind of like Imagine GTA for, playing gt for and then playing call of duty. Okay, I mean in terms of in terms of the shooting mechanics. Yeah, so it's a lot faster in terms of, you know, phrase for second. It's actually I mean, yeah, I mean speak I. Shooting Mechanics. I've heard that they've tried, obviously the new dual shock five. Is it that it would? I think it's your shop five. Yeah, a lot. The haptic feedback always it all. It was a called do sense. Oh yeah, that's it. I central shock. Yeah, door sends five. They've taken to account oviously the new features and change in there. So like the haptic triggers, which are like very sensitive to pressure. So apparently that affects the way a lot of the guns work in the game. So they will talking about a shotgun that, if you price it halfway, you get that use the first shot gun shower and the rest of it, but then complete the second shot gun show. So if detective, example, there's a lot of like screen clearing moments where you just fart a lot. Some more enemies. We're all you need is one shotgun bullet rather than two. But normally you would you shoot too, because I should help gun mechanical work. So just small stuff like that that would, you know, obviously make playing the game a little bit different and a little bit more interesting. Is that an is that a feature new to two games as other games? I can do that. I don't have enough of a clue. I don't play much. I'm not much of a shooter. First person shoot type of person, so I wouldn't really notice it. And then third person's I wouldn't really notice it. Again, I think we can move on. But as Chris said. Moving on in movies, Manga UK recently announced that a Cairo will be coming to the cinemas and Imax in the UK and Islands in remark be mastered ink. So they haven't said when, but I'm assuming hopefully, but before...

...the end of the year. Is that something you guys would go in to cinema to watch? Hundred percent, absolutely, hundred percent. Yeah, I mean I've always been a massive, massive fan of Akira, from the whole esthetic to, you know, just being a very entertaining story and to have an opportunity to watch it, you know, in that it yeah, and Imax is just, you know something, I don't think I've watched it since I was probably about nine ten years old. So be a good it will be a good thing to watch again because I can't remember most of the story. I remember the the ending, but I can't remember a lot of the middle bits and I would have lost a lot of the little cloth, the clever bits of writing that happened in between the story to make it what it is. HMM. Yeah, because when I watched a definitely a pre teen and I think it came under I'm safacehounded. I used to be on sky ways watch was of my enemy. Yeah, yeah, same time where ghost in the show was always played under. I remember I really enjoyed about some of the work which is said. I will struggle to remember the details of the storytelling then, but I'm really excited to go watch it in the cinema and I definitely will. I've never watched before my life, so I'm just looking forward to seeing it done. I mean I can, I'm singing in for K and Imax was like a big old screen. That's like a Shyload of people and it's I'm looking forward to it. Are there any other anime movies you'd be interested in seeing in that in in Imax? Initial, D like that. Goodness me, it's that a movie? Yeah, it's like that's three different movies right now. Initial, initially I enjoyed that. I watched the first one and I'ms on prime like very recently watching that like on the big screen. I reckon, I'll be amazing game any lights on guard driving his car round for that twenty four hours now. It's I was really hard. It's really hard to be about spoiling. Ever, basically, there's this kid who, like you, have in remember need for speechako drift and everyone's like driving down the roads and like this. Those are type bends. Yeah, it's essentially that. And this kid he does it seamlessly, but he doesn't want to be like a racer. So when I bess like a local crew of races that, they really implore for his dad to come and help him, and it doesn't. I don't do that anymore. And then his dad says to the Sun I'll give you my car if you help these guys out, and as sound just goes to just blows these guys out of the water. Basically, I know, I know, it's got a Manga and the Manga's got like a billion chapters, oh goodness. But yeah, I would love see that in kind of Imax. I don't know what else. What else? Money? What are you yeah, I'm looking forward to. I don't have really much. Thee only, if I'm being honest, don't know what. What movie which also, I'M gonna question. No, no, like, what movie would you like to see in Imax, and would you like to see like the this dud? Give me once. That pretty much. Yeah, I see, I'm going to embarrass myself with this pronunciations. Princess Oh, go on out, it's something Mona. Ok, yeah, what's a? What? I still just said? What I just said in a stills the voice. That was just me. Yeah, that one spirit away one of my favorite films of all time and it's, to be fair, is like quite a charm on the dem of it is the Big One, not spirited away, the one with that with the pilot, the big pilot, Pok Roussa, thousand eving Cassole, Poker Russo's about the is it Poker Rousso? It's definitely house of the movie castle. Say Wrong. Yeah, we literally just said it and you said House of the moving castles. No, what I said that. Hey, it's been a long weekend. Yeah, but yeah, it called. I think it's poker Roussa. I know it's want to talk about money. I know which we're talking about. And they're in the landing. Is that nothing? Is that rocks and stuff? Nice. It's the one where they're like they look like caricature humans, like they've got that big as. Yeah, it's poker or so. Just let you know. I googled it and just to cats come to say a little bit short. I is for Corso. Yes, yeah, Oh, obviously duh. Yeah, big, but yes, absolutely, to...

...be fair, went to watch a few of them. I don't think it was it was a I'm extreme. There was a cinema in Stratford Karma, with the name of it, but it's just as the shopperson. Yeah, and I try talking about the house. Yes, yes, they did, did it. Let a few weeks of running Steve Films, which I was really enjoyable, went to watch a few few in there. So yeah, so you give me one of the only one who can really think of that. I'm really excited to see side night. I might only person doesn't really care for Studio Gimli films. Yes, fair enough, fair enough, fair enough fashion. How many? How many of you seen? I've seen him house being cast on Princess Mon okay, it's probably why you haven't even sprove you haven't seen like. Well, actually know what I know. I'm pretty sure I should not tell lie. I think I've seen spirited away what someone the moneyble one, my neighbor, totora. Yeah, I've not seen that. Never seen cars in the sky. Never seen us. Yeah, lovely leap Peter, let Peter caustles in the sky is probably want my favorite one. Yeah, I seen that one yet. So I mean, I haven't seen those and I dress I'm not, I generally not a big fan of the story style of them. So that's just kind of my own. The other sty was very, very unique for each one, but then very nice. But if you if maybe I'm looking at how's being the castle, no spirited away as the kind of basis, because most other's I just didn't really they just didn't thinking. Maybe if I tried it again, but for now it's kind of happen their netflix actually, so I'll give them a spend. They've got two more points to cover. So this one's around ubisoft. They've been getting some backlash past couple of days and this is a relations ubisoft. Or did I say it wrong? He said he said he's as fuck you be sad. Feel Fuck youbis off. Also, I said it wrong with that. Well, it's is wrong because it is soft. Yeah, is we be soft. Most people say you be so we don't really care enough. Nobody cares. That way you get some more. You guys okay with that now, because the student different. It's different. It's a very, very common mispronunciation. Yeah, just coming with me. I appreciated. Fair enough. So you be soft. They've been coming under that. They've get some back back just recently regards to the recent release of their intro video for their Tom clatsy's elite squads games. I'm just going to get a brief line from you, a Gamer, the article from you're a Gamer. So ubisoft came under fire this weekend for its use of the raised fist image in the intro video for Tom Clancy's elite squad. So the intro video depicts a society and civil unrest. A group called Umbra, a faces organization that wants to build a new world order, is said to be organizing deadly terrorist attacks to generate even more chaos and weak governments at the cost of many innocent life. So the umber organization is using their raised fist as a symbol and that raised fists and ball is one many associated, you know, the whole black flies matter movement, things like that. So there's been a lot of people like they're just death. Just haven't been here for it. Let me, let me tell you why that's said. Let me tell you why that whole concept is a problem. Yeah, the current concept is a problem, based on the current climate. It's it's ill timed, I think, with a lot of social justice movements being the big thing, to take it and then say that there's a face as organization that wants to create a new world order. Her is basically saying that we live in a world that's normal and people are using the black lives matter or the black power symbol, which is this power like the fist, is our trying to up upturn and kind of overturned the normal structure, dram right, that society, cause chaos, cause all sorts of this and that, and you are the normal people, are meant to save the world from the chaos to Charlotte and the black people, essentially, and that, and that's the problem a bit. So, yeah, and I think they everything's intentional. is nothing is a coincidence. I thought that they knew. They knew what they were doing, for gas being development. Changing the story, like narrative, shouldn't be that difficult, like actually tell line. I'm not life. That's probably difficult, but I think it's ill timed. I think changing a logo could be one of the easiest things you could put, like a shoe on a face. Well, that's even also times you can put like whatever you want to put, like a slipper, and that could be your logo. But the black power first is going to a very many wrong responses regards to a use in the right context or wrong context. It's going to very, very stark opinion and contrasting opinion. Some people. Right, yeah, this is what we need right now, for example, right next up, like, yeah, you know, it's always the if that doing black lives might have to have, you know, what's the wrong with society, so to speak. Yeah, for me it was definitely purposely done. I don't know if it's just to raise controversy or for them to tell you a specific audience, but it's very clear the intention in...

...regards to the storyline that they putting together for that specific game. That is, as find of extremely, very disrespectful in regards to the reason why people are doing in real life, the reason why people doing this protest is for it's just us long lasting and people are literally dying on the back of it, and for you, again, developer or a gaming company, to go out of your way to make a story like you show those type of people as the enemy, as in as if they are in the wrong for protesting the for the right to live. Pretty much so, and it's it's it does run me up the wrong way quite a lot. Again, like I said, it's zooming disrespectful for people to even come to the conclusion that this is okay to do. It just shows that what you're where your moral compass lies in regards to people, people's lives and then the people's well being for you to be comfortable with doing this. I agree with with what you guys have said. I don't think you can have such little lack of awareness that you're unaware of the current climate and what's actually happening, you know, in a modern day. I mean the black lives matter movement at this point in time is probably one of the most notable news stories other than Covid in the world. Jereman so to put out that trailer without thinking or, you know what, how made this be perceived by the by certain groups, or this is what all this is very similar. Even if, even if the initial idea was accidental and coincidental, you should have the this, the social awareness to realize that this doesn't fit in well with what's going on today. Context is very important. It's like, for example, I think I remember there was a game. I know it came out on the WII, but it came out on a couple other consoles called rampage, destroy all humans or rampage things, called rampage anyway, and it featured like massive monsters, like like Godzillas, it Laura and trying King Kong, strong buildings and even though that had been, you know, maybe about for Soot said about six years, five, six years after the twin towers fell, there was big controversy at the time of his of its release because it had similar looking buildings being destroyed. Now, if you're telling me, and I think they actually acted to remove the similarities, but if you're telling me that people can notice the twin towers in which is probably a very small segment of the game, but not realize that, not realize the similarities between this group that they're putting in this game and, you know, the black lives matter movement like, I'm not going to believe that. I think it's purposely done. I don't know whether it was because they wanted the publicity or if they were just being on certain sensitive but I think it was purposely done and to be honest, I don't really respect Ubisoft, on the twenty nine of August, so a couple of days ago. So they did put an update in regards to this whole the whole backlash. So they said, read that part of the tweet. So this race, this imagery, will be removed in the next title update, this Tuesday September, one on android and as soon as possible and Ios. So yeah, that was just a snippet from their update, but, you know, doesn't mean anything. They haven't done apologized. They haven't. Jamie, it's hundred percent intensial controversy and I feel like they do a lot of a lot of people like to prey on the fact that black people are outraged by many things and they say this is major over for me and side. Like I said, this is actually a dickhead thing. I want to be so honest. It's that you die, you dawn, we'll know what you're doing before you did it. You've had years, you've seen the current climate, which is about this, for at least a year. So you're so and you for actually, yeah, maybe that's it seems like it's all right, but do you not have a PR team? That's that's what and I fucking with solft anyway, as they probably don't. They're running they're running out of money. So you know that as a stage, I just cooking off. Yeah, Raymond, Raymond isn't paying the bills no more. It's very clear with a lot of company, just UBI soft, that the use of black trauma is a currency and for them, I'm not sure exactly how the metrics work, but it must bring them in some sort of some sort of money, because otherwise it wouldn't make much sense for the food this to be constantly happening, because it's just not them. We constantly see it because you C companies as a marketing scheme to use black trauma to somehow promote something and...

...and we and it's somehow we will fall through, because right now we're talking about it. It's difficult to take to constantly see stuff like this and sort such a little regard to people's feeling about such important things for all things, I think, I think the problem is, I think the problem with it is there's as two sides of the coin. You don't want to give it the attention it it clearly doesn't deserve, because you know what they're trying to do. Are trying to use the outrage, the black outrage, in order to garner the attention and the country of his own controversy and, you know, all the publicity which only helps to benefit them in terms of cells controversy, only helps and when it comes to this kind of thing, at the same time, the other side of the coin is it needs to be addressed because of the fact that, yeah, it's dangerous. Way It actually does and were actually represents is dangerous. You're going to have, you know, younger people playing these games and, like I know for myself, definitely for myself, playing games can shape your morals. Definitely, definitely can't shake the morals. When you're young, you can, you can look at certain situations in certain video games and you can relate it to real life. If you're if you'RE gonna put a game where you have, you know, like a clone of fake version and exaggerated version of the black lives matter movement and have them look as terrible as possible, people only going to put two and two together think, oh well, if this is like this in the game, which I probably understand more because I've had more experiences with this game then with the actual black lives matter movement, then they must be right or this must be similar to what the black lives matter movement is doing the real life. They're probably just out there to cause to kill everyone and to cause problems and to fight the government. So yeah, it does, it does need to be addressed, but the same time it's really tough because you really don't want to give it that attention. Yeah, I definitely agree with you what you guys have pointed out, and I think we've seen this kind of thing happen time and time again. So you know it's not going to stop now, but I think we can only hope that, you know, the people who are receiving this kind of messages could differentiate and kind of actually see behind the attentions of what they're seeing when was being promoting put out there. So, just to round up our news section, tea, take your bows. Burn the witch Manga will be getting an adaptation which will be premiering on crunchy roll. Cut It, cut cut it, cut it, cut it. No one gets cut it, cut it, cut it. We are care about that. It's hold hold, but it is not from from your guy, your go hold on. Hold, on hold your gold home, hold on where you hold on, hold on. Where you banging these tunes today? and was actually called again. Hold on, hold on, because never sees my coat, and the same episode that you're trying to be no reference. I defo said as a whole that anime is pants hand, could say has a noble characters. Hundred percent, and that's what I'm going to say. I will die on that hill. So, apart from prime will, you guys logging on to crunchy were aware of a to watch this on a second nope, I didn't care much for bleached all it towards the end, so I'm not going to care much for this coming up. Just come up, coming on me. Yeah, that is basically that man. Okay, apparently just bleached with women, and which is now, because, to be fair, I never really and I mean what Beru or? I didn't care for the one evil anything. What is that? We had a room event. You got, you got the second one to cut him off to it. Okay, sorry, I just was like that different Manga considered something. I'll cond pleased, but that God right. So before eyes class have I'm not watching it. So but if you, if you Don Watch it, let us know. And now to tell us if we should log it to push your role. You know, I'll be watching. Let us know if it's worth if it's worth, you know, watching. Was it burn the Which? But the which? Yeah, under which. Let us know if it's worth worth watching. Burn the which. Cool. So that's that's it for the news and let's get into main discussion of today's episode. So before I ask you guys about, you know, all the different animes you feel like falling off, all the characters that just didn't reach their potentials, I would want to put on this question and just ask you, guys, why do you think an amazing and all just tend to fall off like? What are some of those reasons that you think of? Because to me, I don't know. I tend to think that it just comes with lack of budget sometimes and just not following the direction the MANGAS. That tends to my general idea...

...of why they just tend to just fall off and just studio just doing whatever they want to do. So we'll know what your you guys thoughts are. I mean, for me it tends to be quite simple and in the town in terms of usually, usually, most of the time anime is derived from Manga now. A lot of the time the Manga, if it's half decent, the anime should be half decent. I think a lot of the problem is a victim of its own success. So sometimes you get Manga which is meant to be concluding and the anime is released. The anime starts to take off. anime does really, really well. It's getting a lot of fame, you know, a lot of fans, and then, as a result, in order to monetize the fame and and the fandom it it's got is gathered, they extend it far beyond what the initial story should have been. And I've seen it happen. I mean most notably with Dragon Ball Z, where we will know that. I mean Dragon Ball was meant to end with dragon ball anyway, we'll see what's his name again, or Toriyama. Toriyama was then convinced to have a second series, and which she did, and initially it was meant to end with the freezer saga, but because of how popular it got in Japan and in the and in the West, it just kept going. It's just keep going to keep going, and it's the you know, the giant and anime that we see it is today. To the point where you're having I mean dragon ball gt should have never been a thing. I don't know how. We don't know how. No, but it's easy to say it's not cannon now, but when it really was, I fully I've legit, but I was watching it. It was Kinnon to me. It was dead as cannon. It not, but this is the thing. It must have been cannon. Otherwise, what was it like? I mean it was it wasn't really a spinoff, it was an ex it was a continuation from Dragon Ball Z. So it was only really reckoned afterwards. Fair that, because they realize how bad it was. They just said, Oh, you know, this is cannon, everything for fun. Yeah, but I think the major the major issue usually is a story going on far beyond what it really should, what I really should do. I mean there's I mean there's a time and place to end things. I feel a lot of a lot of our best anime people think our wish it was a bit longer, but if it was a bit longer would have been drawn out. You would have had stupid stories and stupid so I'm sad stories added on and you know, it's just it just ruins the entire experience. Yeah, I feel the same. But I think another reason for is that did just sort lacking creativity of the few years. The initial idea could be absolutely great and the first storyline could be really engaging event afterwards you don't really know what to do with it. And I don't think that's just an issue with mango or anime. It's just every form of entertainment, my friends. Okay, no, to be fair, game of thrones was fine. He just the DV series. Those horrible exactly had great actually are odd. I'll be honest. I think I personally think it was only the last season that was that bad. Okay, and that's the natural talk my animals that fall off, like we're talking about some of the latter seasons. A game of friend just didn't conclude, holy like. But then I've seen not to kind of interpt manage point. That's what he's talking about in terms of some of them just going they drive into, they drive themselves into a corner of creativity and complete in a story that they end up, you know, messing up, and even with the word full off, is that sometimes when he set a standard so high and you can't maintaining it and you say it's a a TV series is like nine and ten for the first three or full season. When it drops the six out of ten, which you can August average better the most shows, you can still cool. It all fall off because you're not holding the same standard that it did when you first engage with it, when you first start enjoying it. And again I just feel like that is hard. Again, it is not limited to mango anime, just with anything in life, and especially entertainment and storytelling, in anything creative. Like you, you start off with a great idea and to maintain that level of of quality through ten, twenty, thirty years, whatever longer is, it's not it's not easy to do so. Naturally, the majority of anyways, even the ones that you love, they'll be so many patches where it's nowhere near as good as...

...as it could be or as it should be or as it was. It's just, unfortunately, that sometimes we get enemies that start off really good and then it becomes crap afterwards and we don't really enjoy it again. Said, yeah, I think I think there needs to be a clear distinction in, you know, the time of fall off, because a full off could be the first three episodes were good and then it was just terrible for three seasons. Fall off could be. It was great for ten seasons and then the eleventh season wasn't that good, or the last episode didn't end well. You know, I mean something there's okay, how about we define on these times and the sense that the majority of it was worse than it should have been in terms of the first already. Yeah, like I don't say full office, like the mum to my fall off. I'm not going to look at and I'll pick the top at a more later terraformers, example, season one, in my opinion perfect. He's into worst thing, mental man and Naruto based on Ruto, arguably perfect. No, internship adn't full of Houles. But what I will say, for example, I know we'll go into it more detail, but the majority of neal was actually quite good. Yeah, it was internship. It don't include a shipping in if you if you take the role as a whole. Yeah, the majority of Newtle was quite good. Its started getting bad towards the class and stage. Yeah, put Post Post One, post pain, let's say, from that point aside, to decline and extremely fast rate, so that if you, if we take that as the defining factor in terms of for a large majority of it was good, but it didn't let it didn't go to like mediocre. It just went from good to bad driving. It didn't jump Jeremy at the fall off of start. It was yeah, it was. It was a large comparison to from what except before hunters. Hunter has some large chapters or loll in moments like most animals do. That money said, and unfortunately, that some like one piece. If that was to end bad people would riot, so to speak. German. Oh yeah, they were right, but it's like the same way that like people burn their beliefs, their beach mangers, when it ended. I think one piece little would do even worse, as someone's over anime, by the way. I don't know who, but the man. Yes, yes, well, that's great a point, but the point is that these one piece or some point. Yeah, but I'm not saying no, no, what's you're talking about? It will be talking about bleach. Also, money is a laggy. I just did defends mode. Maddy is lacking. I can't believed I was Askinkin. I didn't know you like bleats that much. Brokind of help ground our debate like if we need to set kind of the boundaries, and you know what, I think we should just keep it open and they just give them a reason. Yeah, I could, because because I think it's going to be a lot. It's going to be very opinion based anyway. So that let's move you guys kind of got on to my next question, which was naming one anime that fell off for you and why you kind of got kind of got into this already. Others are you as will go first. Yeah, animated fell off, because I'll straight off the bat, Sad Toke, your gorgeous fell off for me. Okay, yeah, I'll take a listener, but then I never know, the man goes like to see us comparison. But it was shits in my opinion. Yeah, I think gangster would be my would be my recommend it would be my yeah, style. That fell off. It really did. It had the potential in the sense the first few episodes were decent and then you get and introduced to whatever the the deaferther's name is and nothing picks up from there. Jemaine, it was I like, we will, we all watch gang star and we had good hopes for it. Jeremy, we were interested from the alignment. Oh, Chris, don't lie. You are watching with us, me watching. You said it looks like it could be decent. We then will realize if I did not say that. By the way, all right, fe so two or three we realize it was, it was going to be cat and that that's like. That is a fall off. In my opinion. You've but you've set a decent environment. Want as a kind teased me in and I said now has nonsense fair? I would definitely see sword our online. Oh that's what my Alice online big let I like it. I wasn't like the biggest fan of it. I did enjoy the first season, but it just became completely horrible as the second season. I think I watched like six, maybe seven episode the second season. I just couldn't carry on when systems have been around eleven or Tenn ely stands if...

...she did, and she's complained about every single episode that she was watching. I level your this complaining that your enemies ubbish. I think I'm gonna say controversial. I'm here who a couple? That's quad you. Oh, what I will say is the one piece anime we need to have words, we need type words. That's important. Beginning, that's going important. Yeah, that's been I don't think it was. I don't personally think it was that bad thing. Yeah, I think it was good, especially pre time skip. Yeah, I think we got very good. I will argue around Alabasta time that. Yeah, we became extremely noticeable for me how terrible the piecing was. And before the peace was never great, but doing Alabasta, the alabasa season, it was absolutely yourble's and that's pretty much out of alabasa. We wouldn't, I think, because the Times give happen like five hundred sign episodes in. Yeah, so, so any sloppy is three is like three hundred and ten. Alabast happens before and it's okay, yeah, it's about to start. Yeah. So, yeah, the one I was going to actually talk about was definitely. Yes, I had that one is too. Yeah, that fellow. Yes, definitely, definitely, definitely. Yeah, Christ, agree that it fell off when they introduced near and l because that's my fist. That's exactly when it fell off and I think a lot of it. We have to give you two to now to near and what's the other? What's the over guy's name? Oh, no, Rehem, not l and then then M and and, Oh yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, Mirror Mary is. There Wasna, what's his name, Mer Mer, Mermeta, or one of them anywhere, I know, I think I below, but we always got married because that's how they say. Yeah, Mella, but yeah, those two characters were just not needed. Just terrible my opinion. Mam will just stops under the couple is just terrible. I hate to try and write the story, but I would have preferred if l died, but he put things into place in order to help the investigative team catch light. HMM, I would have, I would have fought preferred that because I just could not. Well, me and a lot of other people just cannot get, you know, anything from those two knuckleheads. Whether I mean I just didn't feel anything for him, didn't care at all. They just seem like strangers throughout the story. Yeah, it just it. They literally just got plucked up thin air. Oh yeah, by the way, L had some guys in the same orphanage as him that were also geniuses, and we'll get these guys now that L was dead. I agree, I think. I think they didn't need to. I think the devettletween lights and was it was good enough. I think the introduction of your are saying is essentially children. His side kicks into the story then just says, what is the point? Yeah, I mean I feel like it's like if you in the anime in in one chat, like in one season, it's shouldn't be a problem, like the idea of having to need to create character that will then detract from the Mainster, that will then kind of make you think, well, part one was good, but party was shy, Darman, and that's what near and mellow did. Yeah, to be fair, you could it even ended it apart one when olded. You could have just find a way to just show us that light, just one event of the end of the series. Like minded that? Yeah, I remember that. But I get the importance of actually trying to run POPPA story and actually having an ending where it's it's good ending, Huncole. So I understand them need to end it as being appreciate the way it was done. It didn't feel any for natural. Do you feel like I was flowing well with what was happening in the previous parts? So back to what Chris said, it would have been nice if we got an ending where l put stuff in place where it would help other people to eventually catch him, which was still would have been l catch them, he just wouldn't be around to do it. Yeah, but yeah, yeah, it's I definitely weird that. The second part is definitely a full of for definitely Y. Yeah, another one. I have them on one on my list. So Chris touched on one I had definite was cabin area of the iron fortress. So the whole anime as a whole I don't even like because just it just gives me attack on tight vibes, like we just a cheap version. But it had potential, but they just halfway...

...through. I just like, what's going on, like I don't know, I just don't know what the I don't think they knew they did. They knew what they wanted to do and I just like finishes open. So as bad as the anime was, it had potential to be decent, but halfway through it just it just went off like a completely different room. I mean what I would say on that one is that we knew that it was essentially an attack on tight and clone but because attack on Titan, that formula is so good and works so well. Nobody actually minded at the time. We didn't really mind a reskinned version of attack on time, because I just meant were getting more of that kind of story. And so when it started before, yeah, this is good, the art is great, the music is decent, and then it just got dull and we just didn't know who anyone was. The story didn't know where it was going. It's no surprise as we haven't got another season and if we do, you are not watching it now. There's there's been a season and there's been human sorry, it's been too maybe. Yeah, I think do. I think they came out close to the time. It still had its it's a shine, but there's not going to be enough season of the anime. I don't think. I think. I think that's discussions on season two. Last time I had discussed about season two was like two years ago. It's going to be one. There want to come up this year? That was some but ask from conversations last year. Anyway, I cablarry. I just walk out very well share from the jump and though it was never it was never good to me. I like the art style, but I think I think I might have finished the whole season one and the ending was just severely underwhelming. It was just it was weird. So you briefly discussed on the animes you felt like just completely fell off. So I want to get a bit more specific and ask you, guys, are there any characters within anime that you just had high expectations for and you know they just fell off as well? I just characters that disappointed you, guys. Oh Oh, why? The one and only, the one and only, the one and only. Go home. Yeah, like the one and only someone that could have been else gang and sking into and, like the wickedest of bad lngmen, put on glasses, going to education and got a green checks and they said you're relevant. Now. I've never seen someone's destiny so entangled like that. It's not like what they did him is criminal. Till this day, till this day, Gohan, the Super Saint, to quote unquote, super saying to go on a thought seal, is still my favorite character the whole Dragon Ball. Understand them, under understand standing like that. was going at his peak and they said, you know what, let's ruin him. They turned him into pedestrian, even if like heat out does that. NASA and you can't. You got back this one, but I'll take this kid, you know, and that lives in the island by himself, of a turtle to back the beef. I piss off. They ruined go home like they ruined him. They gave him glass and said no, you're not fighting anymore, because I remember when, after the Times, Kip the Gr in God, who can back, and I can remember who the fight is. Probably are doing the bus I got and go on. Could intend super see anymore, because that's to see laughs. How lame can you get? You literally turn super set a couple years ago and they're going even tells simples he was seeing any more and we was getting bunched up by weaklings. Roll. They gave him so many costume change they've ruined him. I don't go. Hannah might be the worst thing to ever Grace Dragon. was he behind, like you know, crying barly, but it legit. He might be one of the worst things across it because, like in that boost agm, I remember a bit of talk about my that Bo saga. They just made him out to be an average guy, and I've rich guy. Everyone was waiting for him to get what his training done unlock potential of the car training, swinging the great ze saw wood and the man got swallowed in the middle of the beat. I said, now, this is not somebody does that's meant to be on stuff. This is ridiculous. Turned them into Yamshoe. But but then, and then, I've seen images with it compared Yam Char and Gohan. And now she's a saying that young to might be go Han's real dad, just like, I'll find a bit and I'll send it to you. Guys say that because of what they've done to go hand. It's believable that youngster might have been go Han's real dad's all right, cool, let's run it finished quickly. On Go Ho Cook, Oh God, you know how bad you he fell off. That's...

...not bad that they almost almost brought him back when he was ultimate Gohan. Oh yeah, and then they just put him back in a blender again, man, like it's just bad. Why would you do that to him? And then they gave him a green track suit. Brother, brother, give us some addie. That's track suits and let's see how he does it. He's a London boy down. I'm tears Mynah, man, that's embarrassing. Man, Oh my God, sorry, my name him a DAS track see and dangly earrings make him look like prime okay, and that obviously to share. You got me there. I hate you so much. Yeah, another cutter that I would say fell off his Kakashi. Oh it's Oh, yeah, let's get to spitting bro this one I'm looking for. SISS one money, go run. So at the beginning, and a rule, when you get introduced to him, you can tell those very powerful when the strongest people in the village, and it just it just patting things the way that somebody is level should, and I feel like the kind remember exactly what Saski said to him. One of you might remember. He just leads to just chief Kakashi and it catch me do nothing about it. It just sort of so embarrassing. It reminded me of smoke, of from one piece, one piece and that three time skip. He was punching everybody up post landscape equally. It could it easy again this song. Watch anybody but about to care. She's like that. The full off was was hell embarrassing. I just feel like they just the way this skill, the powers for the real as sky. It was just too embarrassing. Full for people that guess. No, I think. I think. I think. I think myself. This is gonna say, but I think they they say they made him full off and it's got up his power like in like proportion. It was just really weird. Like he he does think kind of rufless, as if you're looking at Kakashi in desibles, a and Huku fight Ba, Kakashi's cruds, the Kashi that box us go on the bridge, that when it is Danzas there and only gets runked tangled by Susk, is a different Kakashi, Bro, I might gets taken from a pack of chips. Bro, he's nuts. Now what I was going to say was what sealed the deal was when Sasaka compared him to Sakura. And the thing is Sakura is she's a terrible character. To goodness, she's just rubbish. She is just rubbish. So to be compared to one, to be compared by your student, for your student, to your student, know from by your student, to one of the your worst students ever, basically saying that your you've become a house, a house, a housewife, a cleaner. Bro I mean repond the rest, receiver became be made out of today made basically went from being one of the the most respected fighters with one of the highest potentials in the whole series to being what like wo men rider. It's just that's a good couple to be for the bike. Honestly. Honestly, man, he's, he's, I's. I got stolen from him, like, come on, man, it's just the not he died. He died. It's just embarrassing raps. I get, I can't see, hmm God. But also got the tried to buy up by making him I o p in the sense of like the actually just just a random side. Know that you know which mean to discuss. How, like Naruto, trace iballs, because to me it just does not make sense. Man POPs out some so I want just like a life of the screws it into your own eyes. How do you activate in the same ocular get out of here. But no, how they built up Kakashi for a game by saying, yeah, you've got one of our beature's eyes, take his other I and you can come in and our come on, Bro, like we get it, like you, like a Kashi. And there's also the kind of thing that could cush was meant to die, and it was meant to stay dead, but everyone complaint, so they broke. I had about that and they were about that two chapters later, Brob what are you getting pressured by the firm to bring back a cuss character that you'd ready decline, that you'd already dusted, and saying right, let's let's make him open now, coping with anybody else? What? No, cuts out full UN let's you've got the big free. Yeah, I was just about to do...

...that. I'll give yourself with bleak. Okay, and do you want to be bleach? Everyone, Renie, Reggie. I think Reggie Renie's the biggest posso in bleach they made that guy see my else getting into an else gang inten like when he first appeared. We'll see. What's his what's his bank? I called again. I can't remember, but it is punk. I just snicked the bone snake a like wow, this guy's crazy. He's hairstyle even pool. And then Manga turned to a side character getting washed by man like Chad. I was pissed off what they did to him, and they treat that guy like a bag of chips as well. We all agree, Rendy on bleach. Yeah, yeah, definitely okay, Naruto, we were worried. I think we can all agree. Kakashi fell off one piece. So I'm actually I actually got like a couple. I just remembered just thinking about real quick. We need to one peace. Oh, so, say it's give me energy. Tell me Nedgy you got. You Got Yagi. WHO ABOUT THICK? You've got. She, she know. I grew round. You know, it's never going anywhere, though. Wow, he had potentially. Who was of his team? Again, you know, it's you know, she could Choy. You know, she come on and charge you, but see, no, no, no, she knows. She know I brought me which was ten, ten, and she knows that it was an art. Yeah, and the dog ward, the dog guy. Oh, cute, yeah, Bar was it? Was it definitely dumb? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was key. Yeah, but he was dope, man. Yeah, he don't was. He was really intelligent, intelligent creator he was. He came across as almost a smart Shit Kamaru to me at one point, especially earlier on in the series. It was very, very cool. Man just and he just fell all the way off. Man, they've run him in Burritos or justify at that end. Those he and you know what's he's a side character and Burrito like kids. You know, you know, also imagine. But the worst bit about it was that his post time skip character design was one of my favorites, like the way he kind of grew in, like the way he looked. Look pretty like he had, he had his hood up. Now it looked up, man, only for them to just rubbish him. When I'm going to get into ten ten, because ten ten was been dusty from day one. Yeah, and awful legit. I mean the most of a character in a real yeah, UJI CANNA fell off. When you think about it, guys, as we all know, you know, because she doesn't know how to write female character as well. So you got allowed him Ted, but tend to it's been irrelevant from base Naruta. Yeah, I think she's just irrelevant, and she's just very, very relevant, like it's actually unfair how irrelevant she is. Like all the seven squads or having squad there are. She gets no love and absolutely zero love. You see that at once every seventy two episodes. Not even the Great Ninja will. You don't see that much. There's a whole. There's a whole like arc or mini are dedicated to all Sheena tide stories and yeah, that would different teams and tender doesn't appear like once. So she's all she does is still people away. Actually, that that's her power. She's she became a ceiling Ninja rather than someone else where. I don't want to borried O, but I spec she just runs a shop now. That's it. Yeah, yeah, kiss is really bad. Of Right, he's horribout. This Christ on your list, Rockley? Oh No, we see a rock people off. Look, I can agree with that one. They made my guy, I'm way more important than keep it, and I don't think that should have been the case. I don't think I should have been a case. It got so bad, like it makes no sense to me. How Guy, I mean I love Guy, I think he's a great character, but how guy was able to, you know, even overtake Kakashi in terms of being a better ring character. It just does the sit well with me, giving Roccoli's potential, his background, his story, they just didn't make any sense. Like I was like yeah, I like during the war, I can't remember much that he did at all. Sentence. I see Benes. He barely did anything for a Great Wall.

I mean he did better than Neji. Obviously Negi was just a Kebab, but he he had so much potential, you know, just with his move sets, with his training, post time skip. I know in the fillers he had a couple bits, but in the main story there was nothing. It was just nothing from him, and that one kind of hurt because I really really liked them as a character. Yeah, I feel like drunk Rockley was one of my favorite scenes. Yeah, most my men would have boomed bones. That was fine. I can't remembers name. Killing himorrow. Yeah, that that was one of my favorite factions as well. It was just really entertaining to watch. SONAWD, I'd like you fell off. I don't think she was ever one like that anyway. Yeah, like I still said, terrible from right, every more terrible even. How was it in Caguaya? Let's about that one roll. I'm still rather the fact that the way that it got our was by the rule or doing that doc where he becomes naked men. Yeah, Hart and jets gold the dust doesn't be good. I've almost blacked out of my mind. That's nuts. And man died. Why? She died via nudity. I think that I think this is one of the maddest things. I think that might be the maddest like thing I've ever seen you roll. This is the strongest person in the world died because of previous essentially the first. Wasn't that the first? Wasn't that the first jutsy he learned? Yeah, yeah, what was that? The Bat the schools, these first dutes that he made himself. Yeah, because I think, I think shadow clone juts will be the first jucause. Yes, to do, because you don't show the clue. Jus, event he done that. I'm last. I think was hard and Jus, you first, many, then my yeah, I think. I think. Yeah, because I remember he struggled initially with any kind of Nigula. Cargo bushins could yet can use Carg Wushins and you couldn't do substitution. Certainly did. Was that one I remember? I think, yeah, that's what's that's problem at I anyway, and you guys remember, and the scenes leading up to it, when Sakura said I'll finally caught up to these two guys. Everyone, let everyone let out collects. You want the funniest seeds ever. Everyone of my life and for one piece, guys like tells a characters we've had a few for every time bleach one piece one. I think. I don't know. It's a tough one because I'm not because one piece has a lot of characters. Obviously they come and go each art, but it's just like when you think about ones that are falling off, all we get a week to think about the ones that are still relevant now, or we just thinking general. One of these ones that fell off, I'm thinking steady decline. I think might have been that isolated arcs, but even then, like that, I say talks. They like, not many were amazing. I can't think about that other than smoker and maybe even ankle of action. I'm not even even clos to be quite fair. I know Minkel didn't fall off and I think he fell off. Let me say not. I think. I think the difference is because the story is written well. It means that nobody overstays their welcome. So it's all like yeah, but they just relevant, they they purpose. It should like, for example, if you look at hunter, its hunter, you vote, you vot again. Yeah, he had so much potential as a character. Do you know? I mean we didn't really see many. We don't really see many people of that ilk in the hunter ex hunter story, which just like brutes like mine, almost like mindless brutes, but who have a very, very high level of intelligence when it comes to write in power. Wess, he was. He was probably, I think he was the I think it was a most powerful Phantom troope member in terms of brute force. Yeah, he was a it was the strongest. I think it was a longest. Yeah, Shuft for loan. Obviously we know that Scheff alone is not the beyond end or in the series, but in terms of shuft alone, he was the most powerful and to be turned to, you know, reduced to a guy bound by chains, but I probably one of the least physical hunters in the series we've seen so far. Or matter of storytelling, the character just falling off. I mean he died with loads of potential left behind, but because it made sense terms of the context of the story. Tagashi China basically show that nobody's invincible, sheriff isn't alone and you can you can die without fulfilling your potential for like it's just...

...really good storytelling and not nothing to do with the character themselves. Yeah, I agree. I do feel like a lot of times when we do talk about characters falling off, he's definitely down to how badly the rutter has done it because again, that we saw work as she there's no reason for us to. There's no reason for him to fall off the way they did, even if hesues attention was for him to eventually die. The route they went down on to become so we like. It wasn't necessary and similar to Renjie him the way that he lost the Chad. It didn't need to go to this. There's ways that you can use the people that are a weeked in you. He's just a way do right. That's why hunter hunter does it really well. He can. You can exploit witness weaknesses from people that are stronger than you and and you just have to make find a way to show it for your medium. And I think when we talk about what we personal want to talk about people got yourself falling off. It's definitely down to how, by lead the purse the writer has written as written them in. That's there. That's the important bit. That's it's important. But in hunter x hunter, for example, the storytelling comes before everything comes in, for the comes in for the main character. People like to try and compare gone to other main characters as an on a like for like, on a like for like basis, or my my characters done this, old deck u's done this, the cause done that. But the thing with hunts hunters that gone's purposely meant to be, you know, a boring character in order to hide everything else that was happening around him. And I think in terms of gone. So I don't isn't a spoiler. Well, I'm not going to spoil it. I'm going to I'm going to speak around it. But something happens to gone. I mean it's happened in the anime. It's already happened in the end of well, you know, I'll say I'm gone loses his then his ability to lose then is completely gone and that could potentially mean the end of his potential. We don't know what's going to happen in the future, if you if you'll ever be able to get it back, if he will ever reach the height as he did when he was fighting Peter, but the fact that he's been, you know, his potential has been destroyed essentially because of an act he committed. Maybe in another anime he'd be able to do that. Power Up and just be fine afterwards. But in, in, in, Hunter Sunt because of the story. There's a sacrifice for everything. And now people say he's falling off, he's got no powers, your main characters got no powers, he's useless, we haven't seen him in twenty five years whatever. But it doesn't really matter because in context of the story he still relevant, he's still important, and that just highlights something that's just good, good story writing. No, I agree. And Yeah, it's just I think once I think when the arguments around, you know if a characters falling off or not, you have to kind of think, always think about it around the context. So one thinking high like a crystals around you know what is it anime about? And if it doesn't focus on characters in general and the story and main story is a purpose, then then you have to give it a give it more thought around then saying which characters are falling off in which heaven and the I grain your points about hunter x hunter particular, because I'm, for example, let's say hunter ex hunter, for example. Can you think of a character that you can say fell off? Actually, can't know. I think prime touches touching an earlier that you just have characters that just pump for the purposes. Yeah, and the purpose of even, and then a gun, which is what's needed, like the one thing that would bring back to I don't hunt. I want to tell people, when I realize how amazing show was, is when Cheetah, she said, yeah, you too. So cheat to the end when he he was he was from quite a lot put en up to the episodes to his death and he started to seem that to become an important character to towards the end of this arc even he's death, which just a brought it just came out of nowhere and just, yeah, it's killed him off, and it makes so much sense. Is because what was leading up afterwards is that what could you really done? Is like he came, he done his purpose and then he was completely cut off from the show and I feel like we found the hunter. They he does that quite a lot. He has a purpose character and afterwards they've gone from said earlier, they don't overstay, they don't overstay their welcome. Yeah, which, which I think is the point, is something that a lot of people need to need to take heed and it's not doing a bit more of him. Yeah, I think I think that that's a very, very key point, because he makes sure characters don't overstay their welcome. But he even goes a step further and a lot of the characters in huntings hunter...

...seemingly understay they're welcome. So they go before they've really, you know, we've really fully explored what they're capable of. We've seen that with you've again. We've seen that with Chi to, we've seen it with seen it with a marijuem even like all these characters could have gone on to do a lot more in the story. HMM, but because of the narrative, because of the type of storytelling, their cut short. And you know what it parallels the life like. Death can be very abrupt. We as we've seen recently, death can be very unpredictable. That's what he conveys in a lot of the deaths in hunter x, hunter and to goest, like a hundred hunters, is not the only show that I feel that way about, even when you look at shows like Jojo's bizarre adventure, for example, when I try and think of a character that's fallen off in Joe Jo's, I can't really say who's fallen off. Some people are Joseph, Joseph as a I'm not Joseph. Jonathan Joe Star has fallen off because of the fact that he's old, but it's just he plays a different role in the story for me now. Yeah, it's all this all contextual. Last point I wanted to ask you, guys, we've discussed. Why do you think an amazed fall off looked a particular animes and characters? I want to find out for you, guys, before we before we go, is are only animas that you fear are on the path to fall in off, like any that you're watching at the moment where you're like, oh, I can kind of see it's not we go where it's supposed to go, like, do any come to mind? None for me, to be honest, and and I think that's because when I stopped like I think of ever since the fill out box that went through in a Rut or scare me. So I feel like when I fall like a show I'm not enjoying it, I will happily drop it and unless people start coming to be told me I don't going gets really good, then I might be got up again. But I could easily drop shows now because I'm definitely going through that again. So yeah, so right now there's not any enemies that I'm watching that I feel like it's potentially going the wrong way. Everything watches pretty steady. For me. It's very yeah, pretty much the same as money. I'm not actively watching anything I feel is not gonna end up going well, because if I have, if I have bad feelings about a show from this early, yeah, that's for me a bit. I'm not I'm not watching anything long running that I feel is going to fall off anytime soon, and I don't think I'm reading anything long running that I thought I was gonna fall off soon. The last thing I read that I felt that was falling off on this ended a couple years ago now, but it was them no belief. I'm not scaring an Anime, a proper anime adaptation now, but at one point in the story it felt like it was just time to conclude and it just kept going and then I started to have quite, you know, bad feelings about it. It is similar to how I felt about the that's in the ties I where it should have ended for it. They kept going, kept crawling over the finish line, just kept going and going and going. So put where I have. I still haven't even I don't know if it's finished. I thinks finished. I don't know, but it may may finish or may not finish. I haven't seen the last simply because I just can't be bothered with the menial stories and you know, the dragon of the storyline. But on shows, I don't watch black clover and you from episode two. Other I'm not interested through watch that show. I mean I I don't need to be a computer genius to realize that that shows not going to end well. Yep, I don't think it's going to end well. I've seen. I've seen nothing in I don't know how certain men can watch, read act you from staying. Guys are watching and reading that show. But yeah, about that. Yeah, but I think I've I've read the first two chapters or three chapters and just seems so naruto issue. It's a lab version. You are you are up. It seems one of the route is. It is yeah, Naruta vibes and it was just a len. I had the pronunciation start with me. No, no, the root ish. Well, here it back with everyone either. Yeah, I get, yeah I get. Yeah, I get, but it's not not good. Not Good. No, really, wish it's better. Wish just very cheesy, just we much easier than that. A real wizard...

...a beginning. Yeah, it's all need to stop learned. Hold on, people need to stop slander in the role for no reason. I mean, it didn't end well, but let's not pretend it wasn't one of the best shows best anime during the early timid it was, and I gave it a place as like the big as one of the big three. The exams is easily one of the for me, person who is one of the best animal talks that I've watched. Yeah, I mean I love one piece, I love one piece to bits, but it was definitely going to his hole with one piece at one point. Oh yeah, absolutely only for long periods only. It did a couple things better as well, in terms of like it's combat was better than than one piece. Yeah, animation, but was definitely better. Not What kind of Chris? What kind of combat are you expecting? Ninja's versus pirates? Different Bat styles? No, but even I mean I mean to come back suth a different but just in terms of the overall entertainment value of the of the fight scenes, they were just a lot better in the rule. I personally found, probably due to the context, probably use the fact that the Ninjas, but the animation, like I don't remember seeing as many as many animated fights as good as you know, near versus Sosk, which I don't like, the first one. Okay, I mean recommend that the reason one s stay versus uttered skiing in borrowed ms a very well animated fight too. No, no, I'm comparing one piece and and see, yeah, the one piece fires. Can Can pick rocks? Brother. Yeah, but even in regards to vices, like I would say we found the hunter. I don't think the Hunter's combat is with that great. It's not, I feel like the disipate from and it just the way that it's talked about in every day because there's a lot of decision making regards. I will say. I will say, yeah, I think. I think that's what I think. In terms of the actual technical aspect, it's not the greatest. It's decent. It is the finite decent. Was not the greatest, but again, the everything surrounding it is what makes it so good. Yeah, it's so the yeah. So, so I was saying that. Just to go back on understalls point, as in like Ninja's or pirates, which affects we better. Definitely the combat makes more sense for the Ninjas. Want to be better. But yeah, there's ways that you can make fight scenes good without the combat beat. Yeah, to be great. And Yeah, I feel out the one piece enemy lacks lex on that in regards to don't get me wrong, there are some that really, really good fight scenes. One piece, that youth versus a Rob Lucie, that covering, I think. Yeah, yeah, overall, as a standard, it's not necessarily something great or so in that I will go to you with excitement. We found the hunter, like the Hun time. The fight scenes I will go back to watch because the only two percent, the dialog and everything involved was all all as a whole was amazing and I rule I can just watch the fight. See, no one needs to talk. It's just not ever. See like the talking is horrible machine like that. That's a good quick reach. Bleach has some pretty good fight scenes. Yeah, we should seem really good facing you and is really well animated and I feel like if I compare the big three and any other long standing shown in, one piece definitely lacks a lot in regards to action, in fact scenes. Yeah, time, whether any other, that you fell out on the path of falling off, I reckon. HMM, if most this knew I was just kind of my five horses and done correctly, it would fall off. I reckon. It has great concepts. I reckon. If my hero academia is not managed correctly, it could fall off. And the reason why I say that is because it was so quote unquote, early into the story, but so many chapters deep, it has a very massive playground that, if not kind of reigned into some degree, it could be a problem. Like we discussed in the group chat and like once that how do we start? What's going to happen after the year one? Are we going to skip straight to year three, or we're going to see you too and then we're going to see you three. Like how much of that content are we going to see? And by what point does it now become decker is broken, because from where it is in the Manga Deckaho is heading down the broken path. So if certain things aren't managed within that, it could end up in I was want to ask a question to you guys. Yeah, do you have any any characters...

...you feel gone the opposite way. So gone from being quite bad to being quite good in the story VIDITA. So yeah, that's the first post looking to mind. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that might be the biggest, like you turn, in terms of character. And he's still stuck in these ways, though, but he's transformed. I think that if all character to growth, character development, and that's kind of like a Monica for for animazing how good they are. Think as a whole, DBC is pretty like wishy washy, but Juta is very well developed over time. I think Gara developed quite well as well. Yeah, no, no, I don't know what they did to him, Chris, I don't know what I did to him. He's one. I don't know. I think in that he's just turning some meek Adelt. That's just the I mean. I think, I think, I think initially his initial change was quite good because when you think about it realistically, he just seemed to be he had a bad childhood. So now he's just evil. Wouldn't at you got the to the story and then be the last yeah, and then he actually developed the personality. He actually he actually cared for people, he did things for reasons other than just to kill you. Not Mean it's a made a bit more sense. I mean the quest the argument is definitely there that he fell off again because it became kend became naked. Does well in terms of like his initial his initial shift in because he became, yeah, in in the first NARIO series. Yeah, okay, yeah, I'm even even till, I think, up until Gar became a prominent character and shippard and I think I reckon Gara was a very notable character. So even like when don't want to spoil it, but it's likely should put in that really a spoiler about the kind of the capture Gara Saga. I mean, yeah, like even his development posts that like very shortly after that was was great. I think they obviously became friends in her, like black fairy time, but friendship, yeah, I mean friendship saves us a little, but anyway. But I feel like the he rose from being I just hate every video on the kill the world to then I getting personally that they they flushed him out a bit more than they almost flushed him out too much. There's like well, I'm going to kind of be friends in her and not take on the world, to just being, Oh my God, I'm so friends of nerve. I can't fight anybody. I must see the good in them too, and it's kind of like, well, I don't really want that, like saying sure, me, the guy that was doing sand coffin and burying man alive and breaking ankles. So I mean like showing that you can go back to that if need be, that I've changed in this is I'm going to stay forever regards of the situation. Yeah, and that. So you just touched on a point prime that I just remember national about before. When we talk about cats that fell off like, you know, Nary Toa that obviously not characters. Well, they are, they're not the main ones. Like the tailed beasts themselves just fell off, as did never really went anywhere. But we had high expectations and there's like Becaushimo didn't really do anything with them, or we just thinking all those big bad tell beasts and in the end they just didn't I mean, I didn't really bring it anyway. So be in a real movie was based on the Teil Beast, I think probably. I think that's one of things I would say you did well. He kind of waves them in through base narrator and Shippud and as movies that you didn't have to watch, and I but if you wants to watch him get the concept of the Rish to some that blows the bubbles. I think that's the six hours. Maybe I don't know which one is, but he was there. But I don't think you see Goku, the monkey one, ever until he's just interpreting. But yeah, I get what you mean about like they were written meant to be super powerful and on. Yeah, never given much attention, and then suddenly they popped up and old the focal war, but like of the long lasting war. Then I say with mother, I feel like they spoke up my brass so much in base. What I'm basing in day should put in Latin and only should put in that they had to throw them in there, like Parsley, that they needed him, him to be like a proper physical person. The same with the first as well, like they spoke up so much that you had to see what they look like. Can have to kind of get like a rather than being ethereal and just being like some spirited away sort of like you know, expect. You need a real thing there. But it was just nuts come to the end of the episode. Thanks for listening, guys, and, as we ask you to do every week, make sure you add us on twitter at for as academia and let us know your...

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