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Episode 42 · 1 year ago

The Falcon & The Winter Soldier: Review || Episode 42

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

As the end of the series has approached, Manny with the help of guests Anand & Gaz, breakdown Marvel's The Falcon & The Winter Soldier series highighting its best and worst bits.

On this episode: @toomannyman 

All right, everybody, welcome to another episode of four as academia, and on today's episode we have myself, money and two guests in an end, guess you know. Yo, guys, today's episode we'll be talking about the season finale and talk about the overall series of the Falcon and the winter soldier, the latest installment of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, on the back of one division and right before Looki comes out. So yeah, the Falcon Witter soldier recently finished, six episodes long. The premise of the story is pretty much and what happens, I think, is three weeks. Or is a three weeks or eight weeks after the blip? I'll let him longer than that. No, this is so. One division was three months. This no fun. You three weeks. One OISION was three weeks. One of those your three weeks. This was six months and far from home, spider man was eight. Eight months. Okay, so this is six months after the blip. And that happens in in in Marvel, at the end of Infinity Wall. So now we know the PLIP happens in the finity wall and A. So, yeah, but this has happened there. Five is lat my bad, my bad, bad, but yeah, so we followed the stories of sad am and Bucky Falcon and the winter soldier and yeah, it's is. It is good from there. This quick question about your overall thoughts of the series, if you have any. I liked it, I feel people. I think one that a proper higher standard, yeah, for for what to expect from a Disney plus marble cinemax series, so I thought. But to be fair, I think we discussed this and I said going in, I don't have as high expectations for this because at the strength of the characters, no disrespect to them, and I without delve in too much into it now, I have to my two things about this series were, I feel like there was a lot of the premise of it. Was a lot of it to do social justice and it sort of racial situations within society today. And the second is to set things up for phase for don't get me wrong, wonder did that as well, barfoot those, but a type main two things I got from this. Yeah, where its wondered probably delved a bit further into sort of stories and character arts. Not Saying that this didn't. You know, we got some from certain characters which will go into. But yeah, I think those are the main two things. Is Setting things up for Paise, for there isn't a continuation and sort of social justice when she was issues that that they couldn't avoid. I like it's sure what we got and that's base hit all of get, guess correct, and everything he said it's based. All are my thoughts are trying to separate one division from Falco completely, because the two very different shows. One division very much explored a single character and what she's going through and it went through her character development, whilst if you look at Falcon and with the soldier, it didn't go too much into their individual character development. More Falcon, yes, but a very much explored what's going on in the outside world after everyone came back, social issues, it's was Enophobia, racism, immigration issues, which is parallel to her life. So they did very well and that I've very much enjoyed the show. Again, not going to compat to one division. Yeah, and I'm going to give them a bit of a leeway just because I understand that covid had a massive effect on the production, a massive okay, and this is because I know with the flag smashes, their goal was to relief for virus...

...because, we actually think about it, they didn't have an end goal. Okay, you killed the governors, but how do you actually stop people for making these decisions? So part I was a going to release a virus, from what I read the warrings of virus in the show, but that would have insensitive with covid going on. So that had they had a lot of production issues with that. So it wasn't a complete the story, but still thinking done well with it, I think. And I think you can compare series and compare one that you should compared. I think in an instance, that's kind of what life is about. Bot You have the factor in when you do comparisons why things, why something is better than something else. So comparing it is fine, but if you don't give valid reasons, as the white better this point of comparisons, for example, for me one that was belt, what wonder, was better, because I feel delve deeper into characters. I feel one day is a stronger character than Falcon and bucking, even I love when I told you, and I love but a big fan of Sebastian. What's his name for exam but the person that plays bucking a big fan of him. So I think comparing is fine, but some problems. Again, why something better than something else? It's going to be the character development, because what they did with wonder with how multi dimensional it was and how they presented it to you as what was incredible things, also the unknown. It was eggs, it was so many Easter eggs and theories and thoughts at the end of every week. I didn't feel that Falcon had that. Like all we had was who's the Power Rover? Can't really remember the excited as much for anything else. Yeah, something that so got some of that and I'm picked up on it. Goards to out the difference between one division and the Falcon doing to soldier is that when the vision was more focused in a very small area, just focus on the town and predominantly about one division and her story, while with the Falcon Winter soldier we got about understanding or what's going on in the actual world. So we've got to see people in different countries and what they're going through and I guess we just get I guess the fucking soldiers more about a world building past the blip more so than what one division was. So with that I think you have a harder job to flesh out characters, to make characters more, I guess, more entertaining or be able to connect them a lot easier, because you have to focus on other things as well. So we didn't, especially within six episodes. Yeah, especially within six episode. So yeah, you can get you can nearly leave with that. I definitely prefer one division over over the Falcon in the winter soldier. But again this there's reason to you that now, but you're right and saying that it's I like the dialog they had in the sort of characters that they have for Bucky and for Falcon. Could you see Falcon going into Captain America? You see the dialogs they had where buck is slowly started to get over his past that they review revealed at the beginning. So those things are quite good as well. anyways, it's net. It was never going to be, isn't that as one division, because, going back to what one would said it, you know, I forget the all is import wonder as well. They want more from wonder, as she's a major character in the M see you, Captain America. Falcons, I didn't find ever to be a big character in you know, in the comments, same as moons older and I don't want this White Wolf. I want the Hydra went the soldier back like he was powerful. This one, shit, it's safe. Yes, the powerful, Shit is harsh road this is that. The Hydro one just more, more of a robot, is just more ruthless. That he was told to told Captain America at one point and I wouldn't necessarily. They's not taught at all. So he's not to do we got the America now that I'm I'm pretty sure they can still be able to do it. Would find he would do with Falcon quickly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but we don't need we don't need but bucky to go back to hi joke, he just it. Will compare the whole, the whole with the...

...soldier or like wow, the hydro strength and want to hydro power lie. I think he. Yeah, he even says in the episode he doesn't, he doesn't fight with his left arm, and that's the arm that's got the the you can see that he has to use it. It doesn't use it. Yeah, cheese is not too and you saw the strength of it in the last episode when he landed on landed, or think he did. He jump or got pushed the got pushed off it, maybe got kicks whatever, and he landed on his arm. The impact was crazy, and then I think one of the flag smashes try to jump down and him with like a plank of something other than that, and then he held out up as well, because the strength is there. It's just that he chooses not to over use it because he's PTSD and he's still traumatized by everything he's done with that arm in the past. But my thing is this even more powerful arcause it's a vibranium. But what was all? Yeah, what kind of did it a on? What was up? I made off before some hydro metal never satsified it. Just to dive a little bit deeper into Bucky and Sam's character. Obviously talked a little about about Buckies and redemption arc which I found, I guess, quite fit into a degree. I think could have be done a bit better, especially how it concluded. But again, six episodes and he spent a lot of time focusing on other things. A bit hard for you to flesh out that side of him and with Sam's character, with the struggles they had with, I guess, being a black gain America and its struggling between is he is patriotism to the country and whether we're not issued take out the mentor as Captain America and and obviously we got the fall out with that and finding out. Is that, Bradley, an issue that he went through to when you first Hact, you became the first super soldier that was never got any acknowledge of for it. So with Sam's Ark, I felt like he's very important for them to have a story about about this, because it wouldn't make any sense for them just to give him the captain America title and for there not to be some sort of dialog or story behind as to where black men thinking captain America might be an issue. My question is, how did you men find that whole story arc within the Falcon Intersoldier? I feels great and reflective. Sire has it is now that final speech he did all though. He took the little girl down, Carli, down to the ambulance. It felt like he was indirectly breaking the fourth wall. He wasn't talking just to the People Day, he was talking to the real world, to the audiences are watching. You know, if you look a lot of twitter on a lot of rock posts and they're like, are they over exaggerating it? Someone even mentioned that war walk machine is on the same level as Captain America and he would have striped. Yeah, so that's, of course the cool expect he's no I need to say. Yeah. So that speech was impacting. It was great. It will because again reflective of the real world. When they said, when he said things like are you making decisions without the people that are being impacted in the room? That's real life. Yeah, you know that. You think about the people that are being misplaced and immigrants. They talking about that there as well. This is all real life. So that whole speech was great and again parallel to the world that we live in. So that's thefof thought. Was Great. I thought it was very much we needed, especially with Asire. You got two different points of views from that as well. I thought I was expirational stuff with it. I think it was over the top. I think it was intentionally over the top, after everything that was in this series was in your face. Now. It started off quite subtly, I guess, and as it del've done, it got deeper and deeper into social issues, relationships within America, along just society as a whole. And I think they did that literally to say this is an issue in our society, in our country, and it's it's like, as I said, intentionally in your face rather than gips and...

Rabs of subtleness. And I know people, people complain about it. I know, like, just I'm a black, people that were like this is too much. So for me that's good, because then there will be people of other races and cultures and beliefs who will see that and also probably think this is too much and it's in their face. And good it should be in your face. It should be a reminder to you of everything that's going on in the past, let alone now, to people that are black within the world, let alone, obviously, just America as a whole. So I'm glad it was over the top. I have no issues with it and what's whatsoever, no issues. I Love Brook. Like you, took away much from the story. I think was perfect for a story. No, just the thing the story, just like they go hand in hand. So that one, I think that's the one thing that they deserve credit for and I guess marvel to it to an extent. I've always been quite insistent on including race issues. I know people will have that theory that Charles Xavier and magnet or Marcorex and and I know that we don't. We're loving over over. That was a case. I but clearly there's always been that sort that that issue, race issue and inequality within marvel. That's always been there. So eve been there, even in end game, the whole winner and I wasn't a great fan of the scene. I did a disrackeyves I was just a good scene. But you know when all the women, yeah, they've been doing this. No, I do like that, but marvels always had that little cheesy scene there. Yeah, they've always had that. So awful. It's a kids. It isn't for kids. And generally speaking, that's exactly was going to add to guys in regards to sign speech, that it is definitely an a cringe get. I don't think more people that watch the befool like some sort of cringe behind it. Magain, it's important. Sometimes things that are said a point. There's no right way of saying it. It might always come up green, Gymai always come out cheasy and what is so not a similar to what guys about to say. What that said. was about to say. What happened in the end game, before the women come together, and then you have that that girl power seam. Again. I've founder very, very, very cheesy, but I guess sometimes it's sometimes things like this are needed, especially when you don't realize that we have grown up and spent most of the time watching that superhero stuff and instead typically one type of Seperio or the look very similar, like you need to be white men. So we we off. We have not grown up, often getting the other side or getting other people's opinion, even when you even with shows like invintable, the main character is half Asian, and even thought it might be something little man's miniscule to add to us, to add to the story, or just you adding as your protecniques, it might be very important regards to just representation, and I think we need a bit more there. So I'm I find this speech Cringey, but I'm all here for having more stuff along that ye going to say is as well. Is that like? Sorry, and I was going to say that. Firstly, as we said, Disney targets mainly kids. Don't get me wrong, as adults we still love it. I love it, you guys do, but the main target audience, kids, old, and I know this will sound Clich and a bit Quinsy, they'll be black young boys watching that for the first time, maybe not even knowing those are black captain America, and that's the that's the first time they've seen that in their last time. And I know US adults it's not as big a though, I guess because we've gone up in a society where that wasn't so much a thing in our face, but now it's there and I'm are we're not going in that direction, Shangshi. They're going in that directional representation and putting people not on the map person but, you know, showing that there's a bigger world out there than Batman with his black hair...

...white face or Steve Rodgers, my favorite character, one of my favorite but you know, the blond air, blue wives concept. There's more to it. There's more people out there. So it was great. Yeah, and I know we've got into some serious topics that that's getting some of the jokes. Let me tell you. To see that annoyed with the balls at the end of the Falcon with the soldier is when Sam Take Sasire to the museum. The cut them out of the Bolt, the Bunch Cross, the bronze, non gold, the bronze statue, and as ares like be happy, like my guy. They had you in prison for four years and all you get in them, all you're getting is a bloody statue to say that that that you're not I will be lived as send them Niggas to Joe to put me in there. Don't give me a bloody bronze statue, but I will literally livid. What the hell, I remember have nothing. Did you feel to give me that for Lucky? But they would have public, they would have caught pictures of it. You know, I still wanted his pictures of them. They're different things with them world one, it wasn't it? Always it too, when he was in Germany. I would act too, because if you'll find the one was finally, sure, yeah, the government has that history of a racing day and information and yeah, cool, go back to like the first e and going right. Yeah, if you want to do yeah, though, his new suit is amazing. I thought I was a design it was this. It looks good. I think it could have been fitted about, but I me been a bit actual aff was amazing. I feel great, especially fluid. I lie to you from when I first saw John Walker. So I it just came into my mind. Ye, now my persception of his capture so different, so so different. Okay, let this wonder. Well, what was your first reception? When I first saw him, I was like, where's My guy, Steve, Steve, who are you? What is this? And then at the end of EP six they were at for. That's when I was like, this is my guy. I like himself, was great, hope forward, brilliant. It for was really good. Not, it's like his whole character art. I feel like parts of it were rushed, parts of it were well fought out, but you can see where I was trying to take it and obviously they've gone in. I'm if I'M IN THE COMIC Book Story Lie in terms of him becoming who we become. So excuse me. As a whole, I really did like his character compared to when I first met him and now, and now he's got a future and MC which we can debate and speculate about in terms of who we what what he goes on to do. But I'm looking forward to seeing more of him, which at first I was like, who are you? Comics that he basically US agent. That's sage, a capital, soup is capital, a superhero. Where is for money and for patriotism, but you can see that with him he's a mix of that. Where's, you know, let's take over Captain Americas random make it bigger, let's do it for money. At the same time you see the people that record last helping other people. It wants to be on the larger scale but, like you know, it's crazy about outside. You know, it's been receiving deafence on this. Yeah, people are just not yeah, he's not a great job because, again, always what's like him brought, which is what he's supposed to do. Why selling him deference for like separate that actor from the character, from this was right. This just be a normal human being. It was problem. You can watch show just like a character and not want them dead. What row is same thing with the happening with the guy and the person to play Free Jeffrey Le Bros is ridiculous and there's a there's an enemy could attack on time that people have been sending deaference and attacking the right the directors of the production, because the switch productions and people just...

...don't like the way look it's not much of a difference. I promise you it's not much of a difference. It's not as good as quality wise. But people be sending fantasy that directors in the enemy is to their new studio because they don't like looks like people are not like people. Who People are actually nine. But I say I think it didn't well, yeah, but saying that he's getting difference because of I could have a job. He did. The smoke gone and say I was going to Juption. Go ahead. What I liked was the introduced the character from agents of shield onto this. So they're in. I'm not harder. Yeah, Madam Hydra doesn't this as well. So it sad. Wow, this is expanding the multiverse and the thing is that I enjoyed ages of shield and so, like the last two seasons, does go off the mcu a bit, but bring that back of the interest. See. But I hope they don't bring too much from the ages of shielding because I don't want people had that. But having Madame hydraen that, that's good stuff, especially because she's going to be essentially be the person to market the US agent and then the powerbroker stuff as well. I don't think she's the power broker. You don't think he's the power broker. What I sort of it's just power broker. I think she's just starting after she lied. I think she's working with the power broker. I don't think she is the power work yet. But what makes you think that? There's another character? Can't pronounce her name, but she's essentially always been the powerbroker. So I think it's more still her. I don't think Shans got in her to do anything she's did, but she's not. But she was doing and that. She literally killed carly because I don't finish it. Killed Carly because she was trying to say so. I think she killed Carlie because you did him. So she's willing to do that. She needed to kill people. That literally went initial a friend at a particular time. What won't you do? Everything goes in the power book is doing. I think the fact that that's more bout strength for Sharon's didn't. The power brokers more intelligent. They don't seem like the person to go and kill. You think about a lot of big characters, then more thinking rather than going out and doing. Yeah, but I think she only did it because its circumstances she was in, and you feel like she had to get rid of Carlie at that particular time because before that she was staying in the shadows for quite a long time. It's and I think the whole hiding from the US is like just to cover up. Yeah, but still official power work. I fish like about what agin she's saying. Both sides just well, manipulating a well, but still works someone else. So who's decide? She's playing for? was other sudden after she's doing both. Yeah, fo okay, who's the WHO's one side? News other side? Remember, she has our only gend of taking over the world and when things of self shut up. Vision. But how she had double aged. We should that Asian for because she's still working with Simon Falcon to achieve certain things. Of course that is a whole world. It doesn't mean she doesn't care for the Batman of humanity, she just has her own vision. Or what I betterman is I'm not know. Everything saying could be true, but it doesn't really explain like who she double eating full and also doesn't really excret effect that, because she still could be the power broker. But I don't think they've introduced how work care I don't think we've seen about yea, they're all fair enough. I don't think you give a good enough argument as still watch. Don't think this is based on common books. But again, they go off the sources all the time. But I thought Sharon isn't convincing me enough to be the power of so another thing that was going off the whole of the series is obviously the flax smashes and and they're at their will or their goals to, I guess, keep the world in the same way that it was it was during the five year blip, with people relocating in the world, becoming together, or as like that. As let they let to call it one world, one people. Simple question.

What the flax smashes right? Yes, it's just a weak story line, just a week, characters, week, okay, and just I didn't even care for them. That's no man, I was on this side the whole time. Obviously the methods are a bit crazy. They work methods. And how can he be on the side? It makes no sense. That means you agree with killing people that are deserves to be killed, but you couldn't agree with someone's philosophy without agreeing with their methods, it's true. But again, would you? Would you equate flag masses, moral compass and he created to call, because Carli was only the only person there that was actually killing people that she wasn't meant to, and even the rest of the flex match was looking at level, look at all right, you weird. I think you're my enemies. Necessary. I think there was very unnecessarily unfortunate we character as well. Yeah, yeah, I wasn't convinced like her. Didn't a lot the philosophy of of it, but hard being the leader and stuff like it was at issue. was even her beyond leader. I just felt like that. At the beginning it was fine, but her a character never really developed. That the city, the sink a we see at the start of the stories be much as in colleagues, at the end there was literally not know so development, that lack of pack of elements, more episodes. It really could have used more episodes. But again, those all the production issues that are having. It could have used more episodes or you could have been one film a quid. It could. It could have been a film, but that's what they said before and it was basically a film being caught up that's what it felt like to them recording. That's what Anthony Mac said anyways. Yeah, but it was. It wasn't. It was never intended to be a filmed it's just the weird that they've done it. Yeah, it's hopefully would have been a good film, I think, if it could have been, I feel like if you had the premise of the flax smashes a bit more detailed earlier on. We will have to go through seeing the progress forout differ countries. I don't know things with that that could have been cut out. This is that is that little see a lot of quite a stuff. A lot of stuff that would have got out. We wouldn't need so many scenes of is a battle star and the and John Walker's got to America. We could have cut off some of those scenes. There's a lot of things in there that could have been called for it to just be made one on film. Yeah, was quite decent. No, no, I agree. I'm just thinking if it were in film form, there's a lot of stuff that could have been cut out and just discuss it all together into two and a half hours or two hours. Yeah, HMM, and joy for it was so I'm the fust but I'm giving them a lot of anyway because of the production issues, really and truly, because if it was genuinely their vision and their final masterpiece, then a wading port, I guess we could all agree to Cardie wasn't the strongest of character. But what will your thoughts on Zeno? I love them, I love he was great. I love a manipulative villain. Why? It's just a my say, and that was definitely yourself. But yeah, I agree, idjoze. The funniest thing is that previously, obviously before we found I was going to be on this show and we knowing from civil war, I didn't really exct didn't expect her at all for it to be for his character to be like this and in this, in this for it to be quite sorry. So, from what I remember, seving world is a bit more. It was still a bit caught fruit. Now, I don't know. So it's just the interaction that you had. It was a lot more. I guess we caught more human, if that makes sense, but while in civil war just seemed like you...

...had one goal. Is a bit more robotic with it and convervenger. Yeah, it's like it's four posts sees a bit nnia. I might be wrong, but I feel like doing the fucking we to Sol job. We got to see like a lot more sides of him. He still had his goal in hand, but I guess he was more understanding of it surroundings, especially even when Slovakia. We's are so Vakia, and then bucky Schakoya, bro to Collscobia, but Luckia. But you don't, you make up countries. So call your but yeah, that the whole conversation with Bucky and it seemed like he was reserved in regards to like, yeah, it's fine to take me in, but if you remember back in civil war when Black Pan for Adam cornered like he was just trying to kill himself. Let's let anything is he still had got his revenge, he said, boy work, he he achieve a wellness of what? Yeah, but he got what you want to right the end, not at the point he not at the point that he got that. He got taken away, because it eventual on compete at the end of the story, when when the cut, when the car blew up. So my whole put, my whole point is that I enjoyed it was we got to see what more sides of his character and he said a lot more interested, which was a surprise to me. The real thing is to see again. So we'll see him again. I call with that. Yes, same, same, same. How do you think Zee will come? Come around and thunderboats? It's going to be. Madamn, hydross going to be a US agent, because you saw them mentioned Zemo in jail. Would you let to explain what fundable is for the people doesn't recomment, I don't want to say the like hum rejects, but they like their own antierasence. It's a right. So they might have a good course field, they might have their own we're doing something by something to be like the avengers. It's you imagine, like magnet or as a group, but less serious. Yeah, they'll be. They'll be out there too. It's basically like from what I have sort of ready know, they will be in the raft for the most, for the most part of what we know, apart from walk. It seems that walk has got his pardon, like, for example's emails in the raft, and to cut his time he will have to give back to society, like by kept doing, I don't know, capturing villains, fighting villains, doing whatever the US government needs them to do. They're a mercenaries for the God, when I say the government. It will well, I thought it was going to be Rossbay. Seems like it might be mother mind. So we'll see. Be Interesting for the interesting. With us I'm aside for a sonabouts movie, so I'll be good. I think it's a series, you know, this series of the fair I think. So I'll take I want to see for a few US agent, as much as I hated him, I want to hear more of him. He's like Jeff you and characters you hate but you want to see more of. I see the use if I can like that. You know, not as much as Jeffrey about but okay, I think he's very hard to dis like somebody as much as Jeffrey. Despicable all but bolt and both. But I definitely is like Ramsey ball than Jeffrey. Yeah, Rabsball was something else. He was a big sickle, big, big CICAL. But anyways, and this this is not a game of thrones, unfortunately, fall about looking like that that man. Yeah, but yeah, sorry. With us, agent John Walker, one pot that I don't know. I wasn't. I didn't really care for his redemption and him trying to, I guess, become the in becoming they is agent. I would have preferred to see him going more on to the mether side. So when we get that scene where the truck is about to fall...

...over and yeah, he saves it, I freely always really wishing he didn't. I was really wishing he didn't. Well, I like that. I like that you want to go save you because it's still section of him, still a hero. Oh No, no, not for facts. If it makes sense, I'm not to be makes sense in it because obviously would have liked to have seen. Yeah, I would let him school a bit more rogue. I would have liked to see him have another fight scene with bucky and cap before he does this whole redemption. Or could have that just seen him have another scrap with him look still, or just another popper scrap up with that? Obviously had it with Carlie. But yeah, I was just like to send down something a bit more villainous to show that he's mental. was still in a bad way because in a and during APP for you see him twitching and, like you know, he had the blood coming out of his are. He was off the rails. You just literally came the man's chest in all his head and rearly did. And then a fire seem money. He breaks down at the start. Up Five, the crushy ends down on his knees. He's basically so in a really bad way mentally. And then up six he's like, Oh yeah, Hi guys, I'm to help you guys out. That's like what about? Seen a bit more of him going left before it comes back to the soul center. But I think that's just goes back to what you said earlier, like which didn't get enough episodes to see, to see you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but but as you're going through his art from episode episode, will be interesting to get you guys thoughts on, I guess, each episode of of the fucking soldier. As best as you can remember that from episode one onwards. Cool one. We bucked torres straight away. Didn't me right on the yeah, and obviously the theories he becomes Falcon because happened to the comics, but they're not a was a good start acting. Seeing he's flying. He has to fight with that French guy. YEAHS A B from mbers will him. I'm not. It was a good song to that finipp kind of went on a d a heart. Remember it too tough, you know, let me not lie to you. What do I remember from that episode? Is Bad. I should have done my research. It the speech of him not to be yeah, the speech of him giving back the captain. I think at the end of the episode we get John Walker coming out saying that easily captain America. Or do we get an episode? To you, I feel like I get that an event, one and event Bruno, when that was good. That was good. That kind of leaves you on one or that, you know, like a bit of whatever. And to Bhay next week. Who is this that we get to deep dive a bit more into his character? Yeah, I want ended well and the middle was okay. Well, F I relaxed. I won't point it out how this strong Walker would always say I'm captain amount of Captain America, Captain America, Steve Rogers. Not One said I'm captain America like that. Whenever it introduced himself. I'm Steve. He's always I'm Steve. Going back to any juices with the group, I'm Steve Rogers. It's always I'm set. If he's sleep first, was this John Walker wanted to be captain America and just captain a Reca so bad and also reflect on the original Steve Rodgers EFOS. But he's always in the middle of it, in the middle of what like in terms of trying to be like Steve and follow from and then walkers. Always in the middle, right. Yeah, he wanted that idea, wanted to be the idea of Captain America so bad. By the same time was conflicting on who he actually was and and I think that's what the left himself for sure. Yeah, and I think that's what the issue things word like. What what is cutain America? You probably said an idea what up to the American was, and that's not where actually is. And I think at the end of the story I think he realizes, oh, he has bet of an understanding of what it means to be cut to America and probably just realize it amount he might not be the right person to be cut to America. You can't now, is us? Yeah, yeah, you got steacy rodgers like he he was cut to America because he was Steve Rogers. What is your average person like? Just...

...because he's done bad doesn't mean he's bad. Just because he doesn't good. He's just hiven being. We do good with the bad. He just went off the stay, went to the left, that deep to the left, which people do from time to time. They can't come back to the middle and redeems of and find themselves again to some degree or just be who they are. So think he was kind of a reflection on some people in society as a whole. We see people say that he took the serum. Prom he he took the serum. Yeah, let's have it right. He injected it or drank it, because there's no way he's been in that metal thing. He bent in. Yeah, of all, look how he's fighting now and the truck. Put in the truck and he went back to back. He went combat with Bucky Bum let's be real. The know buck. He's finishing him. Yeah, and he was right in the other superpar people normally was before his name worked. I don't know anyone, a boy, I don't know what I'm you watching them and what he wasn't here work before. What are you going to to tell Secor people? Yeah, we didn't ruin him. Love that, by the way. Loved it, and that was a great as a great fights right, yeah, absolutely good. That was really good. That was really good. And be dropped there was eat a little whatever their little tech BITs sick, which gave the Easter, because I saw that something here and we'll see, but I yeah, we bought I end up a free and obvious yet for continued into that, know, for our bucky scene at the start of it, for when he's in the CONDA. And obviously, I think you could see. I think it could have just been slightly longer. I don't know, Richu, if you like, but he just seemed obviously because she read out the words that they read act to him when he was hired or right as whatever is. What is it that heat that they had on him? What is that spell? It was? I think it was like, I don't know if it's a trip in the head. I don't think it's a spell to you words, no, no, but I think they're like no, yeah, yeah, it was a sort of Hitsis, I think. Yeah, that's exactly. Yeah, very good, very good. Thank you, and I think they that was really good. You could he's a really good actor. Yeah, yeah, really really good actor and I think you could see the emotion. I'm reflection upon what he's done. I think throughout you see that he wants to redeem himself. I wants to, and you know this, almost want to talk about hot member exacly, for the life of me, Sebastian something. But anyway, I just loved the acting throughout. I think, and I'm know where deep the rest whirling through topics to give me. But like, I loved. I loved his relationship with Falcon, the little scenes I did into the seeing. I can't lie when it said Roke, where they'll put like partner, you're not my partner, friend. No, friend, that start, when that in the when they had the therapy, love that as well. I loved his emotion when he was realizing that the hypnosis was done with him for now, when we don't, I feel, come back. But when he was a Moconda and they they riddim of the Winns soldier hypnotist, if you like, cause love that. I think he was really good. I think he would probably this for me the start of the series, personally, first, just me. Now he was I don't know if any was going to be with me, but I don't really like Anthony Mac he's acting.

I think the Falcons are big world for him is too big of a role for him. I didn't mind. So I didn't mind the Act thinking. He's just there. I don't think you. I don't feel like mind blowing. He hasn't got that Chris Evans presence, hasn't got that Robert Downey junior presence. He's Captain America now. Yeah, like the Sebastian played bucky amazingly. I don't think aftery has that same impact. I don't think it's actings up there, which is why that final scene was also perceived as cheesy, because I feel like if that was something that's Chris Evans was to do, would have been great. Still be cheesy. I don't think anony Macki has it in him. That's nothing be cheesy about them. Yeah, but I think they could go about actor if they were going to take this farm cops. Am I agreed that every like you, is probably not as good as perform. Oh, I haven't seen him be as good as performer as what's see Rogers run, name check Christ Chris Evans could a speciage. Chris even saw running down in junior. But I don't think that, going for forward mcu, that that this captain bill version cut America will be the I guess the he's required. Yeah, he's quiet be as big as the vogers or as good as Chris Evans. He isn't, because not know he's. But they're making a film of Him. I think about all the other characters have had their own film, but we're great actor. Isn't amazing. He's God, he's good. He's good good. Yeah, I don't think he's Roman Daddy Junior. He's not Chris Evans. I still enjoyed the price. No, but it's an amazing act of for who am man is that? So this is this was going to put crazy. Is Amazing me. So this, this is something that I should mention as well, that I think this is where we will get about understanding of a film key as an actor. He's every single film or TV Su even this TV series. It's pretty much I love this is in in the same mode as we to soldier would the more adventure films and and it's finish time. Yeah, Cut America, film is He's been on the side that these one films and shows created around and Philly MC is as an actor, I feel like, with shows that at meant is a short, is a film that's done very differently to captain America. That's the cause of the out of what's on his name. What's that man's Day real name? Rude, I was lasting. Rude. Can Remember. Yeah, but but the cut, the person that plays at Man, he he's acting. Ability and what it does a lot differ to you, to Chris Evans would do. So I feel like marvel would. The next Captain American film will not be like the first free for the simple fact that we got a film mackey as Captain America and we and we's going to be a film more catered to to He's acting. So I think. I think you'd be fine. I think more of yeah, yeah, well, I think we find he's not gonna it's not going to carry the avengers the same way as to that Steve Rogers did, and that's fine. He doesn't need to mix in a comic. Did Black Falcon carry the avenge like Steve? What is it tomorrow? If I still want about I still wanted about actor. You look at you know, doctor strange, but the Combat Hatch Compi the character. Think about the impact. Has An act think I'm matey has it for undel ranged Falcon, but as a standalone film. And about I don't think I'm mackey has it in him for that performance in it. But when you can, let before I make you my could have said the sect same thing about that actor. No, just because AP of character and man is rude plays and very well, because rude wouldn't be able to play captain around, you're forgetting the character. They well and and and the next few cut this. That's my point. The next we kept to the mixict...

...that we get with everything. Make it as as the main actor is going to be different. It's going to be more key to his acting style. So he's going to be fine. Let's see. So far, dont think they've done that in the struggle. That hasn't. It was great, but that's why I don't think he's necessary. Had that that opportunity. I don't think this show was was a good indicator of how they're gonna everybody. Yeah, eventually, how they're going to teelt this next character. Yeah, let's see. I hope it does good. I hope everything that was good, but let's sen. I just I agree maney. I think he's a calm it's a car actor he's played the role Falcon. Falcon is never needed to be a great actor up until maybe now Captain Amer who he has a whole film. So my point still stands. Up until now he's never needed to be seen as a great actor that can carry a series of carrier a franchise. That's not who he has been so until me. Obviously, I'm not saying you're you can't have your pose, you go free. What I'm says he is. That's when see before one division like I didn't careful, wonder vision, I didn't. I didn't expect them to have such big performances because we haven't been afforded a chance to see them in the element before the appreciated again. But there's still great actors and actresses in civil war, in end game. Nowhere near to this level, of course, but we never got to explore that. That's my boy. Yes, but this though, but that evolution in character we saw with one then vision, I haven't seen that with Falcon. He's the same actor as he was in winter soldier. And my point is that we haven't the same way. We haven't been fools. We haven't had a chance to see everything. Mackey in his element. We a the same way that we didn't see one division before one division in those elements that we got. We haven't got anything. Why didn't we see that in the series? Just because this series is modeled around the winter soldier film. It's not. That's not. That's not. Amphony Makis as actors still could have been better. Everything could be better. It is not. There's nothing did WAN could be about. Yes, okay, but but I agree. But it's but the same argument that you're seeing for one division is the same argument that we have mackey. So when Captain America for comes out, that's when we get can get about on end. That's all. Make my final government exactly. You could be completely right and we could be completely wrong, but we don't really know until we seek captain America for. Yeah, I'm gonna wait for that time. I'll final Jos, but for now it's mediocre. So just on the last things. On the wind soldier and so the Falcon End of win the soldier. Let me get a word of right for the Black Ben First, no, American, I when I sold. You're now the captain America and the winter now. Yes, just to get you guys find of fun of you questions and what were your favorite? Seeing some moments throughout those who years fum lodger fight. See that was amazing, just because humiliate them as well and shut up. Powerful they were, how strong they were super a fucky as well. No one else mad. They will total everyone dare. Thanks. And guys, what did you just say? You know, means like they're not even super soldiers. I can hear the wideness goes bad as well. The way she picked up a shield. She done it. The captain Wayne started grab the ve can't be that. I'm never seen him do that. So you know what's we know what's so great about that. Sees because he saw him struggle with the shield previously and...

...event for her just to do so, naturally it was just a probably in the face. And then obviously comes up with a good because said they weren't even super soldiers. But yet that that that whole scene was great. I guess even even Sam set said previously say you would is your more you would rather pick a fight with bucky then doremlogy. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, that the whole fight scenes up in probably my favorite and seem from out the whole series to when it was really enjoyable. A thing I enjoyed is the underlying jokes of Bucking Sarah all I in a little clay. I love that. There was a picture send in the group chat as well where he woke up but he's watching them play with his shoe bad. That was hilarious. I like US walkers. And final seeing and of it before when he sort of went rago jumped down out the window. Think if you're at the window, I believe. I think it was found the Black Smash of Guy Jumptimes obviously the foreshadow when it were that ten minutes before that, the guys that are love Captain America as a kid, Blasi, Blasi Blah, then end up being captain America who killed him and had blood on the shield of American Shield and the blood was in it was sort of like whe's the word, man, are smart. You're not talking about but for sad, but it was just like a picture of the shield of blood on it and the Shad American. It's just sort of like you could argue saying that America kind of as the world's blood on its hands. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was that was that whole sort of ten fifty minute period was really, really good. You know what's so great about that? Seed was literally the sound, the like a sound, or should say, Oh yeah, because before handing letters be height where people find and then after but star dies. That's all right, there is event. Yeah, the sunds completely stops and it sounds so eerie. It just makes you pay attention and actually fully taking what was going on. It was I think it was actually what the character could hear. That's what was going on in his mind and his State. That's what he was hearing and seeing. At that moment in time. He couldn't hear or see anything. He just knew raids and pain and frustration. But that's short. With the blood on, the show him standing, top five shots of them. See You. Oh, I disagree that. I thought disagree that that was an amazing shot. Great was and on. You know, it's state when I watch on my seven for eighty time, okay, is that you can see his face literally things a legal twitching and there it. He just looks in this. It just looks crazy. He just looks crazy. But yeah, man, great, great, great, great scene. Don't be writing for it quickly. Sure, sure. First let me give my rings for One the Vision. Thinker, give it last time. I'll probably give around at eight, at ten, maybe eight point five. I'm a wonder. Yeah, for wonder, and for this sears a bit harsh, but I'm giving around six, last six and a but yeah, Sinx, I get it. It's these are series. Wasn't watching them? Yeah, exactly, it was. It was. It was never unwatchable. But what the vision? It was a special to me personally. Really like, and I mentioned early earlier. Sorry, it was the every week, the furies that that. That's just what made a lot. Even outside that, even if you just want to watch it just for enjoy me taking about going back and watching our videos, it will still really great, great, great, Great Watch. But yeah, but it's, like Gut said earlier, I didn't have high expectations coming into Falcon. I went to soldier and comparison. So one division, but I do feel okay, yes, for Louy, I'm expecting that one division. Wow, but not in the...

...same way. But yeah, I agree, but in the same way. But I'm expecting that a accent mill. I'm exactly an I know I'm putting a lot very, very highlps, but I am expected a night full I think it's what the storyline will enable it to do. Where with Falcon, how can I think? I can't lie to you. I just go back to the whole thing, or the main premise of me of falcon was like put the social issue that needs you every that was that for me. That seemed like their biggest push was that, rather than obviously captain America becoming cap and buffing, their biggest push was social justice, wash issues, inequality, etc. I feel like we've low key dells back more into the mystic cord of the most in the MAC universe whither than the real world per se and bright. He's just traveling in timelines like a madman and with different low Kis. That's that's lit. That's lit for n again, different keys who we meet himself in different parts of the time here. That's why I just saying this sets up again for the kid avengers, because you got the child low key, you've got wicked, you've got speed as a child avengers. You met young in it, the young avengers. Yeah, yeah, but you got all of them with young Loki as well. So free for yourself. I can see that happening. But essentially, how he's going to fix the timeline for what happened in endgame where he ran away with that. So it's going to be with the what did he take? Man's right of it. That's what that's right. Yes, right, I get. Yeah, I live in the trailer was great, but I don't care. It's not as much because we're introduced to the timekeepers now, that the guardians of faminal of that. So I think we B came on lucky as well, whichould be interesting, and this will tangle into the multiverse of madness, I think, as well with one division. So I think both of us are going to have an impact on that film. So it's going to make the wait for that film, the anticipations, so much more time. Yeah, yeah, we're looking for same. I'm definitely going forward to two doctors in this film as well. Man, I think I think we all are equally great costing. If you don't seen costing, the tunnels, no gon shoots on my way. If you know, Ye, see the guy that played John. So you've got angeline as well something. Yeah, like they've got big names all over the place. Let me, Harrington Coelat, care how to this black night, apologize that from pushing people's name, Caromel Nantini. Any as can go. I Apologize. As about rob. So you got rob and John? Yeah, yeah, Tony, as my dad as Alma had yo that. Yeah, yeah, these class looking. So some guys that I've always have seen a lot of these actors, which is never need their names. Yes, incredible. So, and you can see what they're going with it. You're going into way pastaff and going into different realms and way passed into the universe. We had to give the same gun into space. I hate the gun into spash mother gone first start. Look at I need a turn us to be in scenes so violent violence that provincibles on. They will never do that as Disney. No, never, the person that is whatever they do with Deadpool, because they said they're going to keep it, as I think we're did eighteen. Is this not anybody? I don't really think...

...they do that. I don't know. Don't have any eighteen plus films. I'm so it was eighteen or trunk? Who Shows? They think because of swearing and stuff. Yeah, but I was swearing in Falconberg. was there? Yeah, yeah, so know. So, so it's fine. So it's very doesn't have to be eighteen plus. But I'm pretty sure is that that was that one of the first films that was really a preteens that screen man scream and each at the frostby screen man screamer wants ratings. Fifteen. Yeah, I do see. Will continue that. I don't think they'll continue with any of the other marvel shows. They're very much child warranted, family friendly and all that. Yes, it's read it or thought reading all was eating. We's not my yes, fifteen the UK. Well, well, don't cool, I guess right. Sank, she sank she quickly. I know the trailer was a few people would that blade going away by the trailer. But again it's just another I think it's good tell that representation offects for the Asian community, and I mean generally. I'm not saying it for the sake of saying it, but you don't you know Asian people in that they didn't actually care like Asian Americans. Dude. Asian people don't. If you look at it tosstooms there it's a blockbuster films they actually very much shun. If you look at that film crazy rich Asians. It done poorly in Asian countries, but then America did amazing the Western World Si, but that that representation for even if it doesn't appease the agent community in in parts of the think, Oh yeah, cool, but for Asian Americans is a big thing and I completely get that. It's just random fact that in Asia they don't care for those films and I think part that's because they have their own kind of like molly wood, Bollywood Hollywood fingering there. So they see method only wood only, but Hollywood got their own thing there in it. I just think it's important. Is More. Again, the same with Falcon Black people didn't need to see. Obviously young black people did done it wrong, but as a whole black people see in a blackats America is great, but it's it. That's for white people brow that's for thempty see that. Yeah, black people helped full this country. Yeah, black people here to say you ain't going to get rid of us. We're here with five far rights. We have fought for this country, we are part of this conscious as much as you are. You weren't even in this country originally. So it's not necessarily or all of those things. I think that again that this shows input. Again, this is for could be a show for us. Turn light and us into into our understanding the parts of the Asian Community. I don't know, but do you get one coming from yeah, I think I'll do good. What I was said about I don't really know Sanchez a character at all. Yeah, Great. So I'm excited for it, very excited that I don't know much about it. For once, it got into the unknown to the week. Yeah, I'm I'm not going to read up on it, I'm gonna Watch the film in the driveway and and your expectations are not going to be to you how eiver. So you're just knowing there's going to be a good film. But how good? You not too sure. I expect it to be at this point, something like the first. Not as good, but like the first doctor strange. Oh, that's high, you know, not exactly that, but close to that. I don't expect it to be like I am and one or the hulk. There's a certain level that set. Now. Yeah, yeah, I was just diagree go quality wise, I wouldn't expect it to be similar to you the earlier mother films. Yeah, now, like if you look at Captain Marvel, you look...

...at doctor strange, there's a certain level and I expect that from tranche. Yeahs F's. Oh Yeah, one thing we haven't mentioned once. Black widow. Like that's why I'm a corner. Come on. Okay, however, but Huh, yeah, I said, I say may about ending might come round. I love it, but I didn't watch. I don't care. I don't care, I don't want. I would have say I would, as seen, be a good film, but of course it watches some motherl but I just pers moment. I don't care. I watch it, but I'm excite for it or nothing. I really don't care. It's only because I know might have an impact of the NCU or might visit something in the past. That's it days. I think I'm just more excited with the supernatural stuff in the mcu then than anything else, and I think that's I think that's like the Mein reason why I'm looking for to Luki so much. I'm excited for the supernatural stuff rather than the typical human you told me that the black widow film would have nothing to do the mcu or would even reference it, I probably wouldn't watch it. Oh, definitely, definitely. I'll leave that. It's only because there maybe I hint that might miss out or something. I'll watch it. I think this scollete hands, and I don't like the hands an actress. Yeah, I don't care for as. Actually she was the worst act of my favorite whoever in the prestige. Oh yeah, it's wasn't that bad enough? No, she wasn't. She was the worst. Oh Yeah, she was. Look at WHO. She's great against. Christian bail who's the other guy's Christopher, Hugh Jackman, some big names that compete against. Yeah, anyways, I think we can end it there. Thank you and then, guests, for coming along and make raving me pleasure. You know's we'll return with this cost, including buddy, when low key as an ends. Thank you to everybody listening. Follow us on twitter, subcrit YouTube channel. Follow us on twitch if you like watching US big games or we do prime videos. Group watches on a weekly basis. But yeah, this is me Maney Forum for us. I could email. Thank you for listen.

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