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Episode 24 · 1 year ago

Elitism and Gatekeeping in Anime || Episode 24

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

The cast discuss gatekeeping and elitist attitudes which can be felt and displayed in the anime community. Why does gatekeeping happen? Where do elitist attitudes come from? Dive into this episode and join in the discussion with the 4 Eyes Academia podcast.

On this episode: @abi_mulan @chrinkster @ponz_o @tudzdotexe

Hello and welcome back to another episode of the four as academia podcast. We are discussing gatekeeping in animators episode and I'm joined today by Abbey. Chris. What's up and probably yell. So before we do get into the main discussion, we have some news to catch up on. So first one being some bioware news. Wait, that's thinking shoot. By aware departures put the lead of the anthem reboot in charge of dragon age four. So just to give you a brief excerpt of this article, that the something while the wild appears to have just happened at by a, where as two massive figures. Oh, Casey hudsds, the mark. Sorry, I go for it's it's a forms article. They does eat. Just took got the whole screen and I can you. I can even read this one. I got because I had another one. So basically, Casey huds then mark's Day. To do it again. Then you meet it. Yeah, go for you and I'll speak on it. Okay, cool. The first piece of news. It's some bioware news. The headline says by Awere departures put the lead of the anthem reboot in charge of dragging age four. I'm going to let from me this. So I too bigheads in biowere Ksey Hudson, the mark there are, both have announced the departures from by a where. This doesn't sound like good news, because Casey odds and he was the byway general manager, and mark the rather was exist executive producer for the New Dragon Age game. This the thing of Casey Hudson. He came in after the previous general ranger left, who was look overhead, heading over, looking over there. And from reboot, as you most people know, and from was complete, complete in our failure. They've had to completely rebuild the game from scratch again. It has had a lot of development issues. was only made in an even I was supposed to be in the billomer for five years when. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, anyone this did you gay? Yeah, we played it. We've played it briefly. Yeah, I played it as well. It was just it had some good things, like the flat and combat was okay, but it's just like it was lacking in so much and so argy. It's because they the game that was in development. Fight is only stuff really for developing it in one it was all a complete mess. So they had to reboot the game from the ground up. So they did not. This is the second person to leave during this and from they called it a from next reboot. So that doesn't sound good. And also, I said the Dragon Age, or this is the Dragon Age for so dragon age it takes a producer. He's set down as well. So yeah, I'll see by where. There's a lot going on in that company, which is not very good, because you get these two sudden departures. It does series that there's something big and that's going on. The end of the flock. Well, boys, I don't know what's happening with that complete because they also those associally doing a mass affix trilogy. That's supposed to be in the works right now, but I don't even know if that's going to happen. It's just everything's all happen in the air. Chris, you have any fit, I know you can add some stuff as well to the I just thought anthem was rubbish. It just got really boring and it's really it's really disappointing because I remember playing the Beta a couple months prior before it came out and I thought, you know what, this could be a really good game. The core mechanics of it are really good. You can fly at the flight is good. The game looks very good as well. It's just a loose system. was just ridiculous. It's just making you do the same things over and over and over again until it's basically get nothing but the most part no quest really. All the quest where the same or ring go and find this and bring it back, and I think after about a couple hours you've pretty much done all you need to do in the game and there's just no point playing it. I know they're trying to now sort themselves out, but if I was a developer or not, if I was a publisher and I've seen the work that they've done, there's no way I'm putting them in charge of, you know, a big Ip. So I think as well with the thing with I think there's a bit of like I think these two step and others. Well, I think there's a probably a bity issues because you know how they're publishers. EA AND EA tend to be more about monetization, like they at skimpact, is, that etc. Dragon and the by where used to...

...be basically about their story driven games a lot of the time. I think it's just probably EA's as well push, you know, Ti have more monetization a lot of their games, you know, to make more money, money as possible. I don't think. Maybe. So that's why someone because these are some of the old heads that being around in Barer for years. I think Casey Hudson left and then came back. He left in two thousand and fourteen and came back in two thousand and seventeen after Breaston Microsoft. But I just think they just it just this clash of RDA is because maybe they want to be going back to Mostoy driven games, etc. But EA still want to have that live service, you know, monetization element, and it's sure we just I think that's doesn't help there. So yeah, I just swimming by where is just in a stick issue. This is just it just gets from about to worse with him. The next piece of news game of friends related. Don't know how anyone feels about that. The official account and twitter tweeted dragons are coming Hashtag. House of the Dragon Begins Production in two thousand and twenty one. I can't say that I'm online, but what's everyone else thinking? As long as dumb and dumber on involved, I'm watching that a lie watch the indeed, if they're not involved, then I'll watch. To be honest, I think I'm the same year. If they'd Mowe Year it, I'm at Pete. Yeah, I'm probably gonna peep for anyway, but I'm no for members that what they did, especially the season eight. The nor for members are. Actually, it just kept getting worse from season four. Season four is problem. Yes, yeah, that was okay, but it wasn't as good for it was. It was watchable, like it was very it was good. It was. Yeah, it was good team. I think it's six is I feel six, seven, the name six, almost seven was bad. Eight was horrendous. It was absolutely it was horrendous. That as in wappen six again, it was very it was very forget. Remember six, the bar sets that. Yeah, yeah, that was the only memorable that, let me know, lies. Every season other than season eight had that summer movement every one episode, one fight or whatever. Season Sticks was also episode ten with, you know, sir see to the two she's violets, that when they blew up the six. Are you sure if that wasn't six, very, very good moments? Yeah, yeah, sorry, it was. I remember it. I don't remember anything Jesus seven from the dragons, when John Sign denies met in season seven, exception, and then you know they wouldn't be on they were related, right, all right, but I found out they were related in season eight. But they that's when, John, that's when back, where we find out. Yeah, yeah, we thought we had a little hitting of it in season in six. In season six we had a lin of it, and then that's when you proper find out, in the end of season seven that John Snow was Hulgary. You know, like that actually the point where to John, you know what was the point? You know what? I'm actually fuming. I didn't know who I feel worse for. You guys who followed it for like the whole eight years, like each season as it was released. Old People like me who like bing st it just the top of season eight, I had the worst of both worlds. I watched up to the season three, I'm season four when it came out, and thing is because I wasn't paid attention and I watched it, I didn't remember a lot of stuff and I didn't really understand a lot of things. HMM. So maybe a couple months before season seven came out, I watched the entire series, as I before season, before the final season. Yeah, so before the final season, I watch the entire he's entire series from episode one, season one. Yeah, I did that before season eight as well. I think I did that every year before, from season six, season seven, season eight. I re watched it and then, Oh yeah, and I was looking forwards. My Daddy's NAM was awake at three am, two am, no slapt on. Well, I was as well as I was up at two and two watch each other. As regret it so much, I didn't do that. I avoided social media and then I watched it at once. The thing I knew to see it. Yeah, thing I would say is the experience...

...of watching with the timeline likes watching it with everyone and then tweeting your disappointment everyone, making everyone connective disappoint is so mad that, like from when season when game of friends is going on, all the memes that people would use. Ever since it ended, I haven't seen a single fame of friends you belong to. Look about any any mentioned don't true. Everyone just wanted to collect. I'mber. So clearly now before season eight premier, then they're doing all the interviews with the actors they're like, Oh, how do you think about his an a and don't like girl. Yeah, it was just like what does this mean? And then we found out what a men and then all if you guys watch the interviews in between as well, after every episode, like what was the thought process with? Yeah, and this episode the dumb and dumb will just look at each other like vibes, but literally just vibes. They should come on the fires. I couldaemia because they literally they're here just for the VIBE, right, like Dad, he's vibe actually annoying. All my word. But yeah, yeah, if they're not involved, I'll watch. I'll actually watch that. I thought this need saying. It was just going to be a quicklex. Everyone saying no, no, but it is, excepting those down memorily I always get dragged into. Okay, so the next piece of news. I was still talking about TV and film. Ign tweeted on the third breaking one of brothers will release his entire two thousand and twenty one slate of films on HB Max. The same daily hit theaters, including June Matrix for auto comebat. God delivers is calm. The suicide squad, Tom and Jerry and so many more. Look, one, two, three, movies are eating, by the way, like I can't believe this. I fomaily. We can release everything on the day. What's the point of home cinemas? We do not really hard by ad watching. I never said ILONS is like eating. That's all I'm saying. I'm not saying I I'm not Eric, I'm not gonna. I'm not the one that's I'm at the boy. Every legit. Every is legit. You just have very okay. But yeah, I think I don't get the point. What's what's up on the cinema? Do they think people going to go, I mean to watch these things? I mean, yeah, what is the person around this? The coast of it quite climate like. I mean there are some movies I would one to watch in the cinema, but yeah, a lot of those know, like I will watch out, and that's when you gets to cinema regularly anyway. So I've got even less of the reason today. Yeah, it's just yeah, I'm like King you specific movies, like when powers that came out of it. I'm going to wait see any spoilers. I'm going to wait till I can see that in the cinema. Babies like that and then just go to the cinema as a pasttime. So yeah, I mean I used to, but yeah, I know, not as a not for a while. But the only way I can see them people go into the cinema over this is if they do what they did. Some move on and make it like thirty dollars or thirty pounds to watch it on is h l then fair enough. I think people might as all as m are like why am I painings a past watch something at home. But yeah, that's only otherwise I don't see the point. Whe People go cinema for these movies. HMM. Yeah, is it? Are you saying that because of the quality of these movies in Pacific, quality or just generally? For me is generally, but like some. Yeah, I think generally. That was the last time we had like really good movies coming out in the same me like backtoback. That's probably why I didn't this cinema as often anymore. What people that's true. Yeah, that's true. No, the last avengers is probably the only time I actually look forward to going to the cinema. Other than that, it's just cinema. I'll go cinema, just also put it in cinema. I was I will say I'm here. WE'RE NOT gonna get into this. I don't go to the cinema that frequently, but I do enjoy going there to what's certain movies. Yeah, I enjoy it for the experience, not exactly the movie. Like yes, mostly watching anime movies in the cinema hits different. I'll never sit down and watching anime. Roma. Roma Promo was knit in the cinema, amazing and so good. I'm so happy I watched it because you know I have some yeah, yeah, like I was sitting I watch an anime movie at him because I get distracted. But if I mean the cinema, is like wow, I'm happy I watch this in cinema. So I've I've only ever seen one anime movie in cinema. Really, which one to you? I think a Kira Oh, wow, recently. So that was recent. Wow, and see. Any last it was the first time I've seen an anime movie in cinema. It was dragging ze, surprisingly and it was very good. I watch but it was very good. Drum ble Z and Promo. That's only two I've watched in cinema. Barely. I went spirited away in cinema as a kid. That was probably why I'm say touched that movie. Yeah, yeah, I'm are. What's there? My here? I can give me one. Watched uprising. That's actually the last movie I watched in cinema before codd. I feel about that, speaking of my here academia. This next piece of these...

...comes from funimation's account. They tweeted news my hero, Academian. Maybe three officially in US for summer, two thousand and twenty one in Japan. And you. Did anyone else watch uprising? Anyway? That was our latest one, at last one. Yeah, no, there watching it. I've don't know, watched the first one, I started watching the second one and then it was at home. I'm just yeah, yeah, I think you still. I think it's that the Promo pick that went along with the tweeter has people really talking about it. It's it says he will meet the Three Musketeers and it's Barkago Deki and they think to the Roki. HMM, yeah, and the Golic new outfits. So yeah, yeah, the personal looks really cool. Yeah, I would say that. I just I find it really hard to watch anime movies that are not standalone movies. So like maybe series that has a movie. So like, you know, one piece, my hero. That's I one time and I find it really hard to watch those movies and part of it is because I like cannon and I'm interested in cannon. Yeah, I hear that. Yeah, if it's like a longing that. Yeah, I think the reason why I watched up rising the cinemas because it's like there's a people and new person who also watching it as at all I got my friends, I would have what I was like excited to watch. It's just like business man and I know twenty's been weird. Yeah, with the weirdest thing for me right now is how demon slayer movies doing so well, like so well. It's doing so well. I just don't understand ways. I think it's bigcause I'm seeing I'm like how many zeroes it stirs and since I don't know, but maybe I don't because I never watched them and stale. I was getting off to you before I heard Pekins. Good Invest I'm still watching one piece. It's good. You got a party straight, but it's good. It's just it's not a harm believers in so well in cinema I've really understand. It's interesting. Okay, a cool and last piece of news is Hbo Max to Stream English Dub for Jujitsu Kyson anime. Thing, the part of this that made this like English dumb, something to not skip. If I think it's just the HBO Max Element, maybe I'm out of the loop, but do they usually stream anime when that service? I don't know to it's not a clue. So Max and animal, I was Oh, yeah, I think. I'm not sure. You think that all these streaming services are like picking up. Yeah, it's trip about time. Really is a really act, like I just just pouring up for everyone who watched the anime in three parts on Youtube, downloading an IRC lime wire, picking out around randomly. Eric, not me, but you know people are. Eric. Yeah, it does. Yeah, somebody. Is it just dubbed or is it the specifically the English dub? Hang on, yes, cal said, which is a bit strange because, like, I'm never heard a white washing it already. Mind, Netflix, give you a choice. Right, exactly. HBMX, with your done Wednesday that it will start streaming the English dub of the JIU Jitsu Caisson anime as part of the streaming services, crunchy or collection starting on December four. So it's part of the control collection. But if you go on crunchy old they're also streaming it in English dub, Spanish Dub, Portuguese, bench in German Dub, but the service is just doing it in English. Yeah, HMM. I think that affects of us because which is relates to the main discussion or got like a just a dash of elitism with a nice feeling. Watch DUB anime, unless it's a sprinkle, if it count in a specific context, you watch the animal. So yeah, that's a nice segue into our main type good discussion, which is gatekeeping within anime. So this is something that what hours of the assumption that it was something that was really prevalent like early on and like fandom culture online, is something that came up a lot, but as animal became more accessible and mainstream, kind of petered out. But as you've all seen, like just one example where like Megan the stallion, he's been quite like I'm proud about her love for, like saying, anime, specific anime characters. She's like make up cause days and stuff and people are always trying to just kind of like really doubtful over her like interest in anime just because she's like, I don't know, she's a rapper. You like craps about wrongchy things. Still like a makeup's pretty sick ass. She's sexy, so she a issue. Says she loves animes. She must be hindering to hum...

I don't know, because I don't think so. One like Megan is checking for basement dwellers. But these things still come up all the time, even though it's like two thousand and twenty. So yeah, I think the first question I just want to like Vats, everyone is where I've been, your experiences with gatekeeping, and it doesn't have to be personal. It can just be things you witnessed. It. Does a gate keeping with an anime or anime fandom? Well, I think I think for me, firstly, gatekeeping just tends to be a method people use put barriers between newcomers and a certain and type of material or whatever that may be. In my experience, I mean I started, I started watching anime, reading Manga quite early on. So while it was still niche, while it's still on the ground, while people only did it because they wanted to, wasn't like a passing thought on. Let me just check out this anime, or I'm just check out as people actively pursuing it. Back then everything was good. People always trying to convince people to watch anime at the time, I remember, but a lot people just went interested. As time went on, you started to see the anime community becomes a lot more close knit in a sense. So it's a lot more structured. So you have, you know, the people that put out anime content, people that discuss anime. You have people that, for example, with Manga, the Clean Manga, they sub Manga, sub anime. You started to have different sections and it wasn't just in the wasn't just in Japan. Now was in the US, in Europe and all sorts. As time went on, people started to identify themselves as, you know, anime fans or, you know, a Taku's or whatever, and I think it grew. I think partly due to you know, and probably, I'd say, in the UK, definitely partly due to like the big three. Yeah, I agree, partly. Does the big three be free and maybe both? I say DVC was most of the big three, I feel as you think. I think most of them. I think with Dbz, people knew it as DBZ, but they didn't really really know it as animal. That's true. Yeah, that's why I say it's more so. Yeah, the Big Three, I agree with what you said, actually are whereas we've, for example, Narruto and Nui to Leisha one piece. We probably knew the anime by then. We probably, and then you start. That's probably what built. That's things I'll be built my interest in anime, as all the big free because my friend had them. BURNON's stupid about CDs and the Ruto and a big stack or Zeeds. Believe I brought them. I remembers like one, someone two thousand and five. I could. Oh, sorry, not me, actually, my bad, my friend. I went to his to watch them. I went to his to watch them, but I didn't know how to get, you know, way out to pay for an algitimate service to watch them. So yeah, that's but what sh his for other summer. But yeah, those are the big that's what really made me realize, you know, proper anime will and then I start getting interest into other things of anime, et ceter so. The Big Three were, as Chris said, a big influence into, you know, starting to get me into well, and, like he said, him into anime and even to mango as well, because I think it was the Routo for supper don't came out before shepperding came out. I started to read the Manga because I wanted to see what was happening. So and then that's not start getting me into anger as well, because I I realized I don't have to wait see these another I could just find out what's happening now, because I've been patient. Yeah, yeah, I think I was similar with me. I think with Naruto, one piece of breach. There was a large following in this country, I mean relatively large following in this country, and I think it was like a massive relief to some to see it now go on Mainsian television. I remember seeing the Ruto on it. WAS IT Fox kids? Yeah, it was. What's something? Yeah, no, son, Fox kids, Pot Skins, lust, jestics for jets. All that was. It was when it was aldegetics there, I think it maybe when it may. It may have been. I'm not sure. Yeah, may have been, it may have been. Yeah, I remember seeing it. Then I'm thinking like wow, like we've made it, like we're here, but then around the same time you started to see the gatekeepers really coming to fruition. You started to see people like, Oh, you only started watching it when it came out on this I've been watching it since then. You don't know this.

You don't know that. You went with us when we were getting picked on by her blah, blah, Narto, running in the hall way like a basement Jo Lone. Yeah, you, you, and there when we did our sponsored Naru to run. No, seriously, that was a thing. Like. That's when it started to properly come out and you started to see the massive device between people who discovered anime on terrestrial television and people who discovered anime in chat rooms and on a wire on whatnot. And I think where they attach their identity to anime so strongly, like they relate themselves to anime manga primarily before anything else. Yeah, having people come and say, yeah, I watch anime as well, kind of they feel like it didn't dismisses their existence. Yes, I got personal attack. Yeah, like what? But it does make sense. Why wouldn't you want more people to be interested in anime and Manga? I think it only helps. Yeah, I think it's like you kind of answered it already, like yeah, people like that. They've turned it into a personality trait. So of just like an interest or hobby they have. Yeah, so if someone's just like has like a casual interest in anime, it's like offensive because like cot to them like this is my life, like you didn't really get it, which is kind of sad to think about me. Yeah, yeah, I think for me I didn't really experience gatekeeping at the beginning because on social media I was an so I was always had an anime character or some kind of whatever on my Abbey. So I think I did follow a lot of people from anime twist heart early on and it was fine. Obviously everyone was just enjoying, you know, the vibes and everything, and then I think after I started being more visible online, I had to kind of remove myself from that because, even if I didn't experience it personally, I would see a lot of specifically black women, for some reason, I don't know why, them getting a lot of like, you know, people interrogating them like Oh, so you're into anime, so what's snorrow toe's mom's mom's name, like, you know, it's just it's the dumbest. The lead to the dumbest questions. And if you actually think about a lot of black women specifically don't even watch. They have a wider, broader taste in anime then a lot of the people from annimism just what shown in. I'm not always into like slice of life show Joe, you know, all the thrillers whatever, but I don't know, it's just ever since recently, ever since I became more visible and I'm I've started seeing a lot more black women into anime as well. I'm seeing way more gate keeping with them specifically. I don't see it with any other nat black men. In fact, is the black man as doing it? Please, please, please. It's, you know bay, because it is. It's a little when it when it came to make standings comments, it was black men specifically that one allowed to the exactly. So I don't understand why black women specifically are gate keeps more than anyone else. I think when you think of people that watch animel into nerdy things, people have this kind of like image in their mind. When it's a woman, it's, you know, a white woman who has different colored hair or whatever. I mean. That's what I'm assuming them. They're images, but I don't know, a lot of regular black women are into anime and whenever we're openly discussing our topic, whatever animal into is, oh well, you just got into it when Netflix bloy out, or you know, if like, it's just there's always so many, there's so much hostility, or just because you don't don't welcome us as easily as they do any other person. Yeah, yeah, I don't understand the I reader that I think. But yeah, they don't phase me either. So yeah, it's good, because I do. I think fast. See, yeah, you're I've seen that a lot. So what others see? What this so wrong with? Yeah, as you said, like women liking end of the day. You see, you guys, you you both watch a whole different range of animas and stuff, but it seems like some people just bottle dollars are just talk the most and just seem like he's such a shock or just put not just was it the meaning comments. They do some snides stuff as well, seeing some to probably try and use it as finger thinks. Maybe ours even done. We can do this or that and try and even trying to get in there a shameless of seeing some people do. Actually, to be honest, so's yeah, this because of this, because they made into a personality, trait and not ye, the hobby, and that's why they feel attacked black personally. They actually feel offended when we watch it at like I'm just like, are you sick? Like most prevalent, like it's much present, because what the fuck we're it was...

...just the show looks you that you to get help, because it's you that, because it's a sickness as much as you do, like is at your sickness that you really can't co existed with other people that love us in their space, like specifically, but I'm not going lie's literally black women mostly. I don't see as much. I don't know. You guys can tell me how black men feel. Thy Gate keeps in the community, but I feel like it's mainly black women. I get gate kids get. I think the biggest miss alid example of that is, like if you think of like just black women and who's most visible in like anime fandom as a black woman's that the course players. Any time you see and you're like yeah, you kind of like which high or kind of like bushes stuff is, usually it's back cause player, because thing a character, they feel a black person can't court day, even those, or make leave, and these characters are white anyway. They actually he's. That's that's sick and I'm hearing every but you probably, guys, probably see more Sodom. I would probably, because I don't say that because I don't really see you all. A lot of these accountl pay attention on my twit extuch it, but I know it definitely up as a lot I've got. You guys are said it enough, for example, and I've seen what other friends I also have gone through this stuff as well. The Gate here is a sicknessity. It really is like it's not just for you who there's a spaceful. It's not just it's, of course play as you're right, because eve they're get they get told you can't cosplay a certain character. Ok, yeah, all they get told that you're cousplaying a character they don't know, like a lot of them, but that you're just cosplaying this character because she wears revealing clothes or she looks cute, but you don't actually watch this anime, like, who are you? How do you know? Like you know? Honestly, I just think that the reason these guys will pick on black female anime fans and cause players, is because they see them as easy targets. Yeah, yeah, honestly, because if, for example, you you have a case where it's a, let's say, a physically imposing person, it's because, playing a character, you're less like me to see negative comments or people trying to call them out. Even in cases where they don't know that much about anime, it's only under it's only when they prove without doubt, Lucael B Jordan, for example, cool, their knowledge of anime is very sketchy. It kill me proceed to start bullying and the gate keeping starts the C but I tend to I tend to find that not. I mean not just females, black females in particular. People just see them as easy targets because they're usually on the brunt of like insults. Yeah, anyway, on to it. Our regardless of whether it's anime or not. Yeah, there was a I don't know if you remember, it went viral, like I think. Just don't checking now. It has, ever, a hundred K retweets of the black girl. Her at was Venia and she caused the Muzuka from Demon slayer and just they hate. She got was relentless until the tweet got enough traction that people basically used as a case studied to kind of like stand up for like black girl, cause players is she's the one that they really up for. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did, as I said. It's a it's a sickness. I just made me say that. You See, these things are easy because use when you see things happen enough, it's still irritates you. But yeah, you managed to like square past and whatever. Now you've seen that visible tiny just tilling like young girls, like first time in cost I'm kind of nervous and people can't her and wed and gorilla like her actually sick, like someone just enjoying their life, and you the Oh my God, like no, it's it is a sick so sickness. It's absolute sickness. It's really the cheek. I don't neck bid monster energy drink smelling bomb dwellers or basement dwellers that they cheat to say because we want to impressed them. You, you are, you are you insane that one. And all these guys say it's not about you. Have you actually seen the men that watch anime, but the ones are in this chat right, and seen the why not? You Joking? Are you joking? Lives outside of it, the one you use to appeal to you you smell. It's because it's not about it's not.

As you said, these guys are fool like. They have a chip on should like is about them. It's not about you. People enjoy it animy because they that's the quantity. Enjoy it's literally, it's literally anime. Like it. They're there. If anything, if you got to Japan, I'm pretty sure they're more welcoming then they are in people here that watching, like a random lad from fucking, I don't know, Brixton. Say No you guys, but yeah, I don't understand, like, I really don't understand where they get the nerve that. I really want to know. I actually want to know because I want them to because where do you actually get like? I need that confidence of people. Women are watching it to impress people like me. Are you sick? Why? Why would I ever? It's sad because it's probably just started. That you see on the because it's always on the it's also on a ground of skill because, as you said, not just anime happy. It happens in so much different mediums. Happens in society as well. He's exact same as everywhere. It is how yes, enjoys these people. They want to sense of belonging. Yeah, that's what they want. They want to send to belonging. They want to feel like they're part of a community of people that care for them, that they can have friendships with and whatnot. When things are now open to the general public, people start to feel threatened, they start to fill out of place, they start to feel lost like they were before they join these communities, and I think, when you really think about it, it is a is a mental issue, and it's the mental problem that a lot of these people are suffering from, because I don't see how, when you think about it objectively, you have more people who are interested in the thing that you like, which means there's obviously going to be bigger room for growth in this medium that you like, whether it's Anime, whether it's games. Because think about it this way, look how look how far anime has come. Who have thought that you could have too avid readers and watches of anime and Manga who have never read or watched the same things between each other? You know, I mean back in the day, everyone was watching the same animal thing. Yeah, exactly, that the same. Yeah, and now you can have to anime fans, to that, hardcore anime fans. We've never seen the same anime before. Yeah, I mean that's how much choice we have. Yep, example, how to watch for metal alchemist until like a week ago. Yeah, friends, somehow, exactly, don't know. I don't know how could you just about you have. You guys have never seen no, now, you guys never ever seen that. And I've seen an episode of NONA. What episode that you too? I've seen one episode of definitely now you have not keeping you right now. I'm GETTA keeping you moles. I think like they're scared of being erased because because four years yeah, he called and it was all about them. You just think of them like you know. Now they're think now they feel friend because you could look like anything and you could have the same interest site. But we, as everyone, thought a nerd would have a certain image, and now that's being threatened and they feel like they need to attack everyone and get keep an image of them. Yeah, that is a really, really big thing, because a lot of nerds back in the day were usually seen as unattractive by the majority of society. So having an attractive nerd per se almost seems like an oxymore into these people, because people that like anime and people that like anime Manga and people who play video games should be ugly. They're not because they feel they could be multi faceted. Like yeah, but you guys band Jim and we do hair makeup. This is I mean, we would like less and that's Har enough. Gus like you. You'd be shot. You be shot, though. There's people are spoken to, even in the gym, who were astounded by the fact that I watched anime. Yeah, I've had those little people had it. I've had it in the gym, I've had it at work, I've had it work as well. Prepared those songs that work up beyond my blods. Peoplay must whitches also, yeah, don't, yeah, people, we're not babies. You. I've watched a major about break the watch I...

...bought three year I was watching anime when I was abroad, free. I was watching anyway, out loud because I was like, I hope someone notices. So, quake friends, because I listen when you free, free, I'm just like please, like, I know you guys speak Arabic, those such a big language barrier, because please connect her. Did you find anyone? That's why I so I remember. I remember being younger, my eye teens, and you'd be on the bus or something and you have you'd overhear people talking about anime and you'd want to get involved. Bradley, I really want to get involved and actually tried to attend to some of these things, but I think people, I tried to think. People find it weird see me there, because you wouldn't. They didn't expect me to, because I went to like some societies and even Gamer so sieties as well, and people just weird that I was there. And I think this, yeah, it's just to be the person. Yeah, I see a secondary school, but they weren't. No one was into anyway. No one like showing me a look down to me for it. They just didn't get it. But they were my fiens friends, some of them ask I'm still friends with them right now. So when I got to university, I thought this would be my fresh stop. We have specific societies for a specific interest. So John't one for French, one for like the second mocking at nations one because I sent interest relations and that was actually where I found my one friend. He was like we also were in the same French classy. was also that into anime video games, because when I went to the anime society, like we shoually talk about, like weave stench. They I went into that room, there was an actual stench, and that the people. They were gone, the people they were just like that was first I like an imposter, like I'm not liking buyers, like I couldn't. I tried so hard, I went to like I would like three times. I could. Yeah, it's nothing else in common with the people apart from anime and Ye, and that was because they're like you. In Secondary School I think only had one or two people that did watch anime like I did, but everyone else was just irrelevant to it. I didn't care that watched it, and then four years I was I'll hope I find someone that actually watch his anime. But it's not just that they watch anyway, because you can't get them. Everyone I watches anyway. Yeah, so then you guys, I was at wait, black people in the UK watch animal like that, like I really could on any sorry, usually is if you're not anon, it's usually you're not black, like you know. So I was really shocked as I was, like you guys. I always assume that people that were into anime usually have, you know, Manga panels in their IVS or whatever, but you guys all had just regular, you know photos. You guys were visibly in others. You're just, I don't, regardless. But Ya know, like you know, you guys didn't always have anime in your bio. It wasn't your time. I wasn't filled with anime. So I was like wow, hey, yeah, so people like me do exist. But yeah, I think you can only see them online, really, like or because we don't actually dress that dreams all the time, unless we're wearing like the anime graphic tshirts or no, friends grooms. Actually, this is animals, what come up forever? No, like usually, just like today is. Yeah, but yeah, I think I think that's a nice segree. That's how we just like discuss like the psychology behind it. I think we can like a animous in realizing this. Like when you have an identity outside of this kind of hobby, that's when get keeping manifest from because you feel like attacked or friend in someone in some way. People. Yeah, yeah, so, while on the US are like that. I think anime leism kind of like relates to this discussion a bit, because we're not gay keepers, but we can still look down on certain people. Peak on Chris sit the into I'm looking at cry. So there's it's because you have to watch that in movies with a notebook in a pain and a calculator. That translates into like animes or it like if I said my favorite anime was sold out online, Chris, towards your response, fear I be I saw that. If you, if you said that, I probably tells my top two and its Chris, will you save a foul black covers better than hunter? Why have the dischargery from the mental special? Yeah, with anime Elitism, you need a bit of it to...

...actually make discussions fun. Otherwise it's just everyone's like who we watch. To say we will watch different animes. This co exists. Wow, okay, we wouldn't be as fun. Like. I'm sorry, but we need some toxicity. It just just the kind of like spice up a conversations were at the same time. I'm gonna fight you, I'm going to I'M gonna say you're not a real anime fan. Because you don't watch someones. So, but I feel like if you guys don't, guys don't have a bit of Elitism, maybe it's not only to maybe something else, but I think it is for me. For me is is, but I think for me personally, I'm more eliteist. My eliteism is directed more the shows themselves and not at the people that are watching them. Enough, obviously the person who is watching them identify as themselves with this show here and to make spol talking, but the gymnastics. But like, yeah, I think there is a bit of elitism. I think there needs to be a little bit of Elitism, because some shows are bad the same way. Some TV shows are bad the way it says, the same way. Some movies, books are bad, and we should probably wonder. I don't really see. I don't really see reviews of anime series that often. I find that people do rankings of best and worst, but I don't see individual reviews for an entire series that frequently. But yeah, they do exist but, like you said, they're not as commonplace as the ranking. You have to be for them. My anime R makes a big things into like youtube to find people reviewing actual like anime yet. But yeah, whereas with, for example, games, yes, that's a given. Pass me something. Yeah, every single game is reviewed pretty much. I'm made. That's a good point of hold it that way. Yeah, but yeah, I think the elitism is kind of like a balance for that, where we don't have reviews, so just people talking about which anime a good why have you watched this and you haven't watched this? And I think that the big thing about the elitism and animes. The fact is, the anime you enjoy and the anime you like and your favorite anime does say a lot about you as a person. I feel I really do feel like you can judge a lot of people by what anime they watch. But faces and we making right now. So, for example, for example, people go, if you tell me if you are coming, top three is dragon will ze, fairytale and black clover. Hey, OKA, friend, so many people genuinely you genuinely need help. If that is the case, I'm staying off to our when this episode comes out late Ass. That's your top three those twelve years. I don't want to have an anime discussion with you. Yeah, that's all to not discussing animal be because you can enjoy it. But, yeah, know, like what we're going to talk about. So our power ranking, whatever, how loud o MC shout? Okay, I don't know. What would you beat? Went like the sertain things that I when people make certain comments about stain anime, alarm they'll start ringing hunter, its hunter was too confusing. Okay, okay, yeah, I could people. Yeah, I get people don't like concert hunt hunter. I start to question as all because they they come up with someoness. All this is robbish. You can you can say it's overrated. So if hundred that you can say it's hunter is in the top three, they're definitely elitist. That's all I have to say. They are absolutely elitist. If hard it's hunter is in the top three, what is really tist? Top three waiting to read, but how to Exter bizark and one obscure mango anime. I don't know. How about say? I'd say the elitist anime. I'm going anime alone. I probably say he's gonna say stopped three, by the way. Huh, no, no, I probably say the elders anime is probably going to be nine hundred seven Bazuk to be oh, it's a hard one. I'd say Sam Rush Em blue. Really, yeah, I think that's very elitist because a lot of yeah, just because a lot of people just have not watched it. Wow, yeah, I just assumed everyone just yeah, a lot of people don't watch it. I think. I think code guess is another one that's very elitist. You know what the Diagram I saw? I think I thought it was like a shit post kind of diagram, but hearing everyone talk right now, is actually facts. Like it's a...

...pyramid. It's a car system of anime fans. At the bottom we have the untouchables. Okay, very tell. So that online. Above that we have entry level. We've that's Dragon Ball, narrator bleach. About that? We have we about? That's right in the middle. Definitely attack on tight and take your go. One Punch man, one piece detective going in. HMM, the Taku for Metal alchemist. Could Gay US stands gay hunt UNTA? And at the top we have in the anime fan. Is that kine thousand one hundred and eighty seven. So if only got like hey, yeah, yeah, evangelion, how about be bought alleged to the Galactic heres? I think that's sacks, Bop and galactic heroes on my top. It cowboy people off. Is that? I would say that Samurai MP would would probably this and the well side. But Hunter of something's up there. If it's so, if I got three huntimes right below at the enemy, finding this diagram and go come, yes, yes, is over, tacky. Yeah. So what is? What is untouchables? Fairytale? Still The online I'm black clover. What does that mean? Does that mean? I know if this is a should I think. I think this is Indian, like car systems, like the untouchables, like bad. I don't know how offensive this is. That sounds like this is a ship, because I can know in the cars, the darkest skins you are, the lower I just realize, because, yeahs are basically like the people who were outside. You are dark. I'm poor. You got that. You do in touchables and the people at the top, but like they wear like they called on Baldas outside. So something touched em. Okay, they're not being labor as. They're rich. And let's compare that least to the celestial dragons in one piece. Let's see you that I'm touching was like the Fishman. I'm touching Bos. You work on the farm. Basically, it the anime fan. You're in the mansion. You know outside you're wealthy. You don't need to. You havent worked day your life. No calasis on your hands. M You know, I don't know about that, but if you if black clover and fair tale and was is in your top three, then we're gonna have to not have this. You can, you can watch it, you can enjoy it, but there's so many trash stuff. I enjoy it. I don't know what else says, but we're putting my top three. Yeah, I enjoy trash. How she enjoyed things for they are. If it's name them. I'm gonna name it because, dude, you can hold the you're gonna hold me to it, know, because you must say this. Specific animals trash. You gonna be like, no, I'm not going on that team, but you can't just say that. How, Oh my God, cower, I wouldn't say it's trash. Babe. It wasn't as good as I thought when I first watched it, only because that was the only thing that was out at that time. Bleach. Okay, I said it. I know that's what we're waiting for. But you know, I enjoyed bleach, for it was, I could put it now what they might any top, but it's really, really good, like I enjoyed it a lot, like when I first watched it, I was at Tho, was my first anime that watched. I when I knew I was watching an anime, and I was at, wow, should I this exist? That this is amazing, this is really cool, and no one can lie. It was good at the beginning. It was very, very good even, and then, yeah, and then it went downhill. R Eye, you know, you know what about bleachers. I have always had an agenda against bleach from very, very young, like from very very young, so from primary school, a secondary school days. I had never a gender against beach, and that's because I was a gatekeeper. Do an extent said that. Yes, I was a gay keeper. Coups, the gay keep wrote. Well, I mean, I mean, yeah, I'm not gay keeper anymore. Get but like a gin I was. Oh No, I wouldn't say it was a gate keeper. I say I was a stand I was a stand from new for Naruto. I was in Naruto stand. Yes, I was. So, but when I was back when I was younger, like the best acconage you could ever have as a kid when I was in year six, was being the one to introduce people to a certain anime. That was that literally the best thing you could ever ever do. And I I was introduced to about my cousin, my older cousin, and I introduce that too a lot of my friends in school. So they started watching it. So it was like I was the one in my school who started watching the rout of first. I was the Information Harb if they needed to know stuff, and what's the most episodes...

...and blah, blah, Blah Blah. So I identified as in the Routo Guy, like yeah, leget, I remember. I remember doing all the research, reading about why they run with their hands behind their backs. Oh my God, wow, now literally a nod. Oh my God, gold for growth. Right. So I watched that at my cousin told me about this show called bleach. So now that's like my bodies already rejecting it. I don't want to hear it. I mean I don't want to hear about this show that's bleach, and I remember trying to watch an episode and just like, I didn't enjoy that. But, as I asked, no, very taste better. But then I was watching a couple with sode. I think I got to leftisode fifteen. I was like, HMM, this isn't that bad. I'm not going to tell him. Watch the couple more episodes and then it's gone a good in it. And No, you know what, I kind of I kept forgetting who the characters were. So the names of characters I can't forgetting and usually when I forget names of people it's not a good sign in an anime for me personally as us. Your sign that I'm not really engaged into it. What's a couple of the couple more episodes and I thought, you know what, I'm not doing this. And that was a that was a trend. That happened for quite a long time, till I was about fourteen and fifteen. But I would find an anime, my cousin find anime. Would refuse to watch each other's anime. I remember finding outlaw star. He found he found them. What's it called them? They go no, beeze Bob. To this day, have you watched Beza Bob? No, still know now. I found found a couple others, like a gear and so liter and he found hit. My reborn and still haven't watched that. I would never want to be born. I tried three times to read the Mander. Then I don't know. You when you get to take chapter sixty four, guests goes that. Why am I read chapter sixty four chapters, please? Yeah, so it gets good. Tried to get into it, like wead have really tried, because I can don't get in that, feeling like I was missing out often because everyone's at only ever say we've been talking tomorrow. In Tamo, I loved in time to day and watch a good count. There's so many episodes. are just a good hundred episodes and I just I couldn't, I couldn't get past it, like I don't know, I understand what don't, but I love in Tama. That's one thing I wish I could actually enjoy, because it looks really funny and I feel like I didn't get to the point where all the hype stuff happens. I was just watching the parts where it was funny and then a little fight happens and then it's just more funny and then, but like all the serious stuff happens, I think a bit later and I didn't get to it, but yea. Yeah, there's so much anime that we've that we've kind of overlooked or watched. Personally, that, unfortunately, with the abundant, with the abundance that we have now, which is never going to go back to. Yeah, I'm never gonna go back to Kass. No, go back. I'm Never gonna Watch definitely, you're gonna watch that. No, I'm never gonna Watch bleacher NARRATO. To know, you have to watch the flirt for getting larter. I haven't even finished later, but you have to watch you definitely, definitely, you have to walk. Definitely. Yeah, it's not even that, but I am. I going to. It's me guys about definitely. Definitely is the thing that definitely is. That is very, very similarity is coming out. I'm saying I refused to watch definitely these guys that we're telling yes, why telling you? You are to make fans to if you did watch any. We're gonna then I'm fake. We're gonna tell you. You alchemist. Is this your gift of I think it's an episode of the boondogs. Where really I that's you. That's all I'm gonna do. I won't read deathinite, because things with me and my I don't know whether it's because I'm addicted to my phone so it's just short in my attention span. But sitting down and watching anime, if I'm enjoy like with the door, so hard it's there, if it's something I really like, I can do it, like with door, head door. I watched a head door. I was like wow, I haven't got this way years like before, like I could deem your ruins like my brain and just could focus on anyway anymore. But usually just thinking about animal to watch, even if Jitsu carrison. As hype as I am for this current season and I'm eager to find out what's coming next. I feel like I caught with the season just wrap up. So we just focusing myself before I watch the last four episodes, like I thought, if I start the Manga now, I will carry on with the anime because I know that it's us and I even I've watched episode nine. OPT episode nine, I think I'm behind like five episodes again, because I just open time I sit down to do it, I'm just like I could be doing something I do. I used to. I've been jolt. I'm a binge watcher. I can't do. I can't...

...do anymore weekly. But the fact that I don't have time to things watch anymore is the reason why I don't watch anything. Like I can't, I don't, I can't consume something weakly like my attentions, but I'll just use interest quickly. But I've always been a binge watcher. Of injuries are binge and I have phases like one time I'll be into only anime. I won't read anything, like what, I won't do anything else. I'll just watch anime or I'll just watch TV shows, or I'll just watch movies, read Manga. And nowadays I don't have time to do anything. I don't know why, I just don't, and that's why I haven't really been keeping up with anything. I think I like to multitap. Ask God, does it feel like I'm useless? So like waste your time. Yeah, I used to do my laundry, our can watch girlfriends. I do that, but with anime because I don't know which to dub. Yeah, really, that's one thing I will about. I don't care what anyone says. If you watch dubbed, you're weird, like I don't hold on. I'm a big sub fan, like I watch everything stubbed, and that's not just anime. No matter what I'm watching, the watching an able language as well. I think you're racist always. What's the native language? Yeah, stubs, yeah, but anyway, the thing with anime and the advantage of anime is that first of all they aren't real people talking their animations. So so long as the DUB is true to the sub at least, there isn't really an issue. I think none of there is a I don't think everything as much I can. Okay, depends on the grongre of everything with sub neither. Yeah, everything, but you can convey as much. And if you've watched anime enough that there are some things that you get used to. You get used to some of the drugs, get you to some of the like. You know, if you've been watching it for a while, like if you're on yeah, if you're just starting up, fair enough, but if you've been watching an anime for a while, there are some things that you even understand. The translation isn't translating it accurately, but you can't understand what's happening as you as you said, you'd have to be watching it for a while in order to gain that not much sub after you get it. It's not about right now. If you're I suggest, I don't give a fuck. If you're a new comer, yeah, don't watch them, because that's what you don't get stucked on dub that. You'RE gonna get stuck on dumb and you're just going to think, oh, I can't get into sub because I don't have time to watch it. About up. But if you watch stubbs for a period of time like I'm, it's you know, it's a little bit difficult, any carmontels whatever, but once you get used to it it's way better than dark that. I'm sorry for everything. If you watch, if you're for a movie in dumbed, I'm going to say you might actually be racist, because why hike? I hear it because my mom. Why? Why is everything have to be English? That's fines dramas on Netflix and she refuses to read the stubs. She always watches on the English. So Awkward. Unless you tried that money hid. To go back to the thing with anime, I think it depends as well. Some dubs that she's quite well done. To be fair, I feel like the form who chimist wants is good buy. I don't know about Dragon B D Z had the great English I'm was indeed. Yeah, absolutely forget. I Super Bowl was one of the stuff. Then Japanese. It's first sonic x, sonic x English dub. Actually, right now, do you know any other doves dub that's better than the subed other than Dragon Bull Z and the man that back you're saying you should get you to this using this bar blah. I've grown up, we've done with sub anime. Yeah, just been a thing that I didn't have an option. That's all there was. If you did have an option, you know, said I started watching Sube. If I had, I if I had easy access to dubbed, I would have been watching dubbed. Probably. You know. I mean I grew up. I grew up in Dragon Bull Z, so I started watching anime on terrestrial TV, you know, normal TV programs on the TV channels. All of that is dubbed, all of it. POKEMON, Bay Blade, you year. Didn't know Cele mean was called you Sagi until I was in like sixteen, when they were always Serena. So like yeah, yeah, even as his name isn't ash fifteen. Yes, that's a yeah, yeah, so, like, maybe it's just me, maybe all of that we watched out in terms of convenience.

There's no argument about which one is easier to watch. There's no argument, and you shouldn't really have to fight an uphill battle to watch these shows. Some people don't have the time to focus all their attention on a TV show, HMM, and for those people dove might be helpful. Could because you can, you can send a text message, you can answer the door and you're not going to lose too much of what's going on on the TV show. Yeah, whereas we yeah, yeah, whereas we subbed, you literally have to focus. You're missing. This was the entire time Japanese, unfortunately. So, yeah, like I was, yeah, we're gonna have to learn. I wanted, I still want to learn, but like the meantime. But like, I think I've become less resistant to dubbed animated although I've gotten when I first got into animals, like I'm only watching said because why wouldout even watch that? But the older I get, Oh, at least try it out. Like I was watching be stars on Netflix and I've watched on till like midway, entirely insubbed because obviously I'm just going to watch it inside. Therefore, Oh, I recognize with the voice actors names for that the main characters are. Let me see what the English stuff is saying. And I think for apart from one specific character which I just found the English voice really drawing for, I think Harry's voice in English, which is very strange, made the sound older than she like. I felt like she was dost. The voice acting was really, really good. So I just I not watching the second half in dubs. I think that's what I do now that if I try out the DUB and I like voices, I'll switch back and forth, just depending on my mead. But yeah, I think I definitely was completely resistant to it when I first start watch angry, but the old I've gotten a Mich. Let me try out and sometimes I'll listen to the DUB. I just like theme. Like I was watching a great Scot. I can't watch it in Japanese. After watch the English double in the Great Scot I feel like I think it's I think it's I think I enjoy it better. I can't see what there's batter or not, but you know what it is. Ivy hasn't gone through that phase. Where you've watched so much south animal that you're now comfortable with everything else. It's coming, don't worry, just coming. It will never come up. And I don't think you got me. But she went sy age like. Okay, so innocent. One household, you watching old boy with movies. yere session with Bolly with movies. And even then, when my mo mom used to bring the kick the cassettes that had the English voiceovers, no matter how well done it was, I just couldn't get into the English ones. As a pretty sad because I can't anything. I hear that the day anything. I want anime, I think everything we say. That was a gatekeeper off it for me and he doesn't depend. Maybe for you then, because maybe, but for me every doesn't depend. It doesn't. If I know that there's an original, it's not like unless I can't tell, and it's like you. You present a cartoon to me and the DUB is done so well that I don't even know it's a foreign movie. Never told me, you haven't told me. Some foreign it is a foreign cartoon. I've just been watching it and it looks like it's a it's an English one, then fair enough. You you do me. Let you want me, but yeah, I'll give it. I'll give it a good example. So, Every Samurai, what language would you wish him? Yum, I've watched it. But language would you? What language would you wish saying? IS THE JAPANESE? Yes, anime, I wish in Japanese, even though, something I'll Jackson's what you know, Samuel Jackson? Is that for? Yeah, I'm still watching Japanese. I'll check out the dove. I'll still watching Japanese. So you will check out the dog, because I wouldn't want to see you. will carry on watching it dub I assure I've seen it. I've seen it, I'm sure. The other that is there's no doubt. Performance is great. Yes, you can't compare totally much to move. Was it? It's what dogs? What's normal? No, me, I thought I was thinking of there was another voice off for recognizing there in. All right, no, no, Samuel, he's the old guy and he's both from yeah, no, I'm still watching the song. We have no. No, I want it now. I watch you right now. I was just like you. I'd be, and then I had no. Ever, but like, I want watch it, as in, if there's a sub I watched up. You're just a Lim. Yeah, on this I don't like cause I'm Chris. I'm Christ as I got old. I don't mind doctor as much I can. Depends at the double is good. I'll watch. I'll continue watching it. Yeah, I'll just take it out. If it's a good, very good dog black can see, then I'll continue watching. I maybe to pull the other characters. Okay, you're better sub just because of like how you feel about Sud but you can't compare a froze Japanese va to Samuel Jackson. Doesn't come close. And then when you watch it you'll see what I'm saying.

In fact, Samuel Jackson's Va is enough that, even if the rest of the English double was is not like good trap sounds to carry it. Yeah, it's still good. Cary, he carried it. It's not suffering. Good job, a job with everyone else the trash. So why is they ever so good? They carries it, but they doc well, you have to remember as well as that. There's ways, for example, like the Abridge series, Britt Yeah, and their bridge series, whichever they did. You go the dumb dragon wills did on theos as well. Yeah, but then fantastic. It just was eclipse and that is fucking hilarious. It just goes to show that if a done up is done correctly, regardless of what you think the original writers context, maybe all their word and maybe if it's done correctly, it can be just as good, if not better. To become as advocate doing that part. They're like, does that count because it's a technically it's a fan work. It's not that. I don't know. Yeah, you know, it is fun work, but what I'm saying is that, for example, they're all animation because it's been to be a joke anyway. So you're not taking this. Yes, of like the ghost stories, I would watch the DUB because it's funny and not because I'm watching it for the DUB. You know. I mean like, oh no, it's goes, stories, go stories. Is a bad dub. That is so bad it's good that you have to watch it. That's different. If you if you watch a lot of the the bridge series, some of the dubs and some of the scenes are actually like you could see how it would be done in the original series because the voice acting is so good. Yeah, I hear that, because even that English. Yeah, yeah, the English original so good. Yeah, exactly. They're not just being funny. They're actually very good voice actors. These guys, beach his voice actors amazing. Yeah, and so if you, if you actually go ahead and Darbit correctly, maybe there's a joke that has that needs some Japanese context or only sounds good in Japanese, they'll make a joke similar in English for English viewers to relate with more. You know, I mean it's just about how it's done. That's all it both down to. For me personally, there's a lot of especially in the early days, probably because they were just getting any Tom Dick and Harry off the street to do dubs of the street real yeah, pretty much. A lot of the early Japanese, I'm early English, dubs were terrible. I remember there was a game, I think it was puzzle quest, where the guy who was responsible for the sound in the game just got like his son and his daughter to do the voice acting and as like, Oh, you've defeated me, this is terrible, like it was. It's literally sounded like that because they just weren't voice actors that readily available. Now we have Britain, we have a western voice acting stars, people who are known in the business for voice acting in Anime, who are actually very, very good. Yeah, so it's just about the quality of the dubs for me personally. Sure. Yeah, I think I'm that note. I list someone else has got something else to say. I want to say that I think for me the reason why I enjoy some unless the stories very, very generic. I actually like the Japanese parts of it, like the Japanese drugs, Japanese humor, the Japanese whatever like. So I don't know, maybe that's inside. Yeah, and it's for any any foreign thing, wherever foreign thing I'm watching, I want to know like the the foreign jokes. Saw The I know in Anyway Ales they explain some of the jokes sometimes at the top, but I don't know if you remember. When you want, like they would explain what this means like and that part, for that part not to exist when it's a doubt. It just it doesn't sit right with me. I don't know why. I just can't enjoy it as much I can watch an unus a normal American cartoon, you know, if I want to enjoy that kind of story. But I think for me is the Japanese part of it or the whatever culture I'm watching. That's why I actually enjoy it, because it's like how when things get localized, this is a generating story, like if it's like a western I story, but love that APP an animal I watch is set in Japan, or is it in some kind of this reminds me of itminds you of ace attorney Chris. He's not. Obviously the saying is Tokyo in the main games, but in the localized version it in California. So they're having to translate all these things over. So instead of instead of Maya being addicted to is it is, it is it, rice falls for her rice schools, rice balls. She's like obss a buggers instead. Yeah, it's like a specific case. I don't know which game it might have been, just as for and they made it seem like all that. It's like a village set off for descendants from Japan that's just somehow in California, like kind of like little Tokyo but more like medieval, whereas the original game is that you just another town in the suburbs of...

Tokyo. So like they have to like make up a lot. And as I'm playing it, obviously because I'm a real playing this game, like say, right, want I figure out what the original was asking about. So in that sense, what is that? What Abby saying that he can? Yeah, it's got losing some of the cultural insight and a dub depending on how it's localizes. So yeah, I hear that. Yeah, I mean what I would say is, as much as a dub has to be good, a sub has to be just as good. I don't know if you remember in the early days of Naruto and believe that believing. Yeah, for example, no, no, like in terms of just the one, in terms of subs, a lot of time, a lot of times that there will be a line. You see this a Manga sometimes as well. In early releases they'll be a line and then in the next episode, at the beginning, they'll put disclaimers. All this was actually meant to be this. We got it wrong. Yeah, this was this, this was this. So you can lose a lot of the joke or a lot of context in sub just as much as you can in the DUB. At the end of the day, we don't understand the language and we're just going off the text that we can see. Fair enough. We like to hear the sound of these people talking in the foreign language, because you can kind of, after a little while, getting a bit of understanding about the tone of the way someone speaks and what they may mean way or what what need they're in whatever. But ultimately, when it comes down to the specifics, they can still go wrong with a sub and they do go wrong. And so sometimes you see it way are this. It is hard to translate this in in English. There isn't a direct English translation for this joke. Well, blow, it still happens now, even in some so I think go with your preference. Whatever is going to lead you to Actually Watch anime. Just go with that. But if you watch and dubbed, Abbe will look down on you absolutely. I don't really I don't really really watch dubbed, to be honest. What I don't watch enough dub for the way I was defending it about just thinking about agency to choose between sub and DUB. That's so I'm different. Yeah, free, yeah, yeah, I'm not that moving. Let's run it up. Yeah, so this has been a great discussion. Guys. Feel like I learned a lot about you guys. Looking about inside. So you would you say there's some more than other. Okay, yeah, I think. Just to round up, I would like for everyone to give me the spiciest elite and you may take before we round up. So who wants to go first? Chris will have to go first. So spiciest Elita's take. If the camera and Ark was too slow for you and if the narrator was talking too much for you, you just lack common sense. Okay, he's next. I can go next and go for it. If your top five consists of battle showing in, you can't at me. You two widen your horizes. Could sign that need to meet your mother's basement and get some taste buds. That's my dike. I'll go. If you don't see that dark hunting ark in hate, hunter hunter will be coming best ark that you ever read or eventually see an anime. For you need to get your head checked. Are you seeing a Patn? How this colony? It's a hundreds unter life. We was in the pyramid hanger. Let's get back to the period. We got some in here. For me it's if you couldn't get into honestly, if you can get into one peace, then you have no taste. But yeah, I'm just gonna say that if you don't like one piece, you have no taste. Period. Absolutely, period, I have so many. But in odor I trust, like absolutely. If you do not like one peace, you're weird, you have no taste. If you haven't read a Manga that no one's heard about, you just not remember anime fun or Manga Fun, you don't know anything. Yeah, but like, like should said, though, like I would like to double down on that. If you only watch foul shown them or bout anime, you, you, you need to get life, life, how many genres, to experience so many more, Anima and battle and psychological as well, because you can say, Oh yeah, and let me just wattch. Something else some people didn't like. I've seen some people do take stuff about Naha and stuff...

...and trying to put super over it. Because because the bottles back to you know, because in Dragon Board, as in like Dragon Ball, you as is, as if you're not seen the same frames being repeated over and over again, the same, the same. This is I got one that may offend some people, but as everything else, somehow I know it's target to them. If, if all you watch this selice of life, you're just glorified. Where we shipping. What do I say? We should? Why? We we shall all the Sitcoms, because, yeah, man, we shall know that that's what you are. Never Watch. That's of life. You're weird, like I don't know how people know what you watch. All my friends nice. please. Let's go back on. Might as well just get awacious season to DVD. Five hour episodes down. I need to go. So we do a live show on this topic. Guys, I think that's absolutely more. People are definitely okay. All right. So on that note, thanks so much for watching this. I hope you don't unfollow us. Until an instagram at FORIS academia everywhere online. Don't, I guess, join you. I'd be underscool me line if you want to direct any concerns. Follow us up for as academia instagram and twitter, don't you? Guys, field for competitions. Yes, yes, we're giving. We're doing up Santa for you lot. Keep your eyes pilled eyes Christmas. You'll be seeing some more news about it this week. Yes, keep so, you, guys. What we'll do. Is We'll do is if you've listened this far into the podcast right and you hash tag for ice pod alongside your entry, you get like a shiple entry. Yeah, I did. He's gonna win based on this. Yes, you're RYLE'S FOR ICE POD has tag for I spod, and that's a triple entry. Anyways, say yeah, follow US everywhere. I keep your eyes. Put on that Christmas give away. We have some lovely prizes for you for Chris, just in time for Christmas. And Yeah, we have been tods, Abby Christy and one Yo yo next week.

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