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Episode 57 · 1 year ago

Halloween Special: Junji Ito's Works || Episode 57

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Happy Halloween everyone! Known as the master of horror, Junji Ito is the creator of popular manga such as Uzumaki and Tomie. The cast, joined by special guest Toni, discuss their impressions and favourite works by Ito.

On this episode:

@toomannyman @tudzdotexe & Toni

The hello, everyone, and welcome back to another episode of for as academia. You're doing today by myself to its special guests Tony and money. Say how Wan. Hello, hello, hello, so what we just get back into like a traditional kind of like interest in the so a few of us. So we're going to catch up with everyone and find out what everyone's been getting up to. You so many. What have you been reading, watching and playing this past October? I've been catching up to you the latest season of anyway. So I was watching and been watching myself. My s empire is annoying. You period called me. Can't communicate what's be watching, I think. I think that's my bulk of enemy. Apart from the usual one piece weekly so off, that's what we watching. I'll be reading one piece, as always. Finished the seven up, not the long ago. I've been reading sort and soap. The premise of sweating soap is a weird. It is weird, but like it's one of those ones where, like, if it wasn't for people who, like their opinions, are holding high esteem on toil were talking about it, I'll probably would have been like, what is this? But it's one of my favorites. It's so good. Okay, okay, I'm justus the opinion. The scent fetish aside. Actually that's what characterizations of the protagonist and like how their relationship actually progresses. It's so like it's really nice, like it's done so well as almost this might be like toxic, but as like it's it's that he had to let the Manderl that the man Garcas a man because he writes to relationship like so well. The usually you see that with like female markers, but like, yeah, everyone's just really like three dimensional one. I've when you read, I want to read the first volume, but they've definitely been things in there's work. Really this is like this is borderline. Maybe it's that I think it was that mad outside the first chapter. I I got things quite easily and and the and the smoking, because it's a bit. I's not that bad, to be fair. It's weird. It's weird, but it's not like it's not like it's not unreadable. Yeah, but it's so far the pots that got to just nice to see how the relationship has been developing from that. And obviously so if if no one's ever read sort as able alsothing about it, the teaming characters. Obviously the female character has issues with sweating, like she just sweats everywhere all the time and she's very cut selfconscious of that and just nice to see that. I guess he's building a confidence a little bit by being with him. So yeah, I'll definitely on reading it. I might sell the books when I finish it. I can imagine myself going back to reading this, but my sould my Manga books when I finish reading it. You just buy Manga just for buying at stake. Yeah, but now I can't think that. When you bought it you just bore it. Yeah, yeah, but yeah, so I so also been reading, Reading Berserk here and there just have a reread and I think that's it. Really juts the guys and weekly read one piece. Obviously greatest men of all time and apart from that, or often that we read, we'll get into that bit la. But obviously I've read smashed recently by G Gito. But yeah, getting it a little bit later while we playing is between is the only game that I've played it since forever. You can tell you what about you will you been up to this pass October Um. I'm still trying to get through Naruto minorito everywhere in sunny any way. Yeah, I've been dragged back into the NARUTO FANDOM, not gonna lie. Um, yeah, I've been trying to get through up because I'm I raci. I'm not starting like any other apartform blue period. I'm not starting any other anime until I finish Naruto, because Naruto is like five hundred episodes in Shippi Don so I'm not doing that part from introduce tokays and yeah, that's weekly. Need to catch up on one piece. Yeah, Mannie looking disapprovingly. Any Times I need to catch on one piece, okay, just do it. You know what conversation like a bit. Actually, I'm just like, one piece is one piece. there. Read it. What what's up to you on Um one thousand and twenty three? Oh, you know you're sixty six chops. As a way, it's yeah, exactly, don't let a pilot. That's what I did. The better on eighty months were reading it. Listen, I let it Piloup for like ninety chapters. Like one time it was the whole like like one of Ark, and I was like no, I need to read this before you get to their fasom chapter or did I like I bund that out...

...in like a week, like I was like, I'm not doing that. I think I done the exact same thing. It was at the end of Otob last shore. We're having read one piece in ages and as like as Ai Messenge group, just like I am going to catch up one piece by November. The first is that we'll talk is that we'll talk twenty three is guard and beat a single chapter from my left off. So itch just that read everything in that was like about eighty chapters worth, eight ninety chapters one and I literally ready within within that two TV period because I shad to catch up. That the determination I had to read the on one father chapter with the community, like I didn't do anything else, like I didn't watch nothing, no watch, no TV. I was reading on the bus, reading the train, everything like one the one piece, like the showings up APP was open seven like I wasn't doing anything else and I felt like really great reading the One father chapter, the arrested it with everyone else and seem like reading in real time without the community was great. Yeah, it was a proper experiences. Some people probably HMM, some people climb it. It Very my thing is you want me to binge one piece and yes, for binging stake and not take anything in and then, and I forget how long is his mother had her in having you throw like a son certain people, or do you want me to read that my own pace, actually take it in and understand what I'm reading? Like, well, you got but you can't say you reading. Not do it. Catch up like it was happy. That was like, Oh ten months all my days. I was so annoyed. I felt like it was a be true to me, to you personally, to me personally. But every week we do what one beace together, and I'm just saying there's like, you know, you know the Abbey Idol. Who is this impostantle? I think it was a pressure. I think she crumbled under pressure. If he was just a relaxedetting, shouldn't have got it wrong, because it's there's no explantion, which went to monks, like really, this is the twenty four, twenty something. Yeah, yeah, that's funny reading. Yeah, good again. Well, to be been reading and playing this past October. Oh Not's fucking I haven't liked played anything like at tool, like a kind of found my switch right now. So calling who fine, I can't find nothing. Um, so reading. M I started reading toilet bound HALICO coon. Yeah, yeah, cuz I've been seeing a lot of it recently, so I wanted to be I would just need to see what that was like. So I started the first couple chats, like it's good, I'm gonna Continue. I put on my list to get back to your muscle reads, you know. But yeah, Jus Kais and is popping off right now. Yes, it's scared. You people talk about I've even got into chapter, like whatever. Yeah, and you be putting you about. She be Ark. I'm scared. You should be. I'M gonna it's not. It's not unlined experience. It's not good. It is it? Like? Is it like, Oh, this is not a nice experience, but all you have to get there. When you get there, is it kind of like red wedding kind of Shit, like, oh, it's not. Yeah, yeah, this spot, it's entertaining. You'll you want to see. You enjoy because we enjoys. Where is it? It's not. It's not meant for enjoyment. Yeah, like I said, you literally said I hate, I hate you. Look this. He must have been going through something. I feel like that happens a lot and my coaco go to something. That's how you got that bullshit ending for killing stalking, because the artist was just like yeah, I maybe this, like these these editors, but take me about like take this and go and simply with banana fish. But on the fishes ending is because the my Gogle was going through it in real life. I haven't read that. Keep pain. I don't want to start the pain. The same thing as well. The fish is not a pleasant experience, but it's a superb piece of fiction. Also, whenever when I would never revisit. But I'm glad I watched because it's like in my top ten. But it's nothing like I've had nothing positive about bell on the fish is just been like yeah, it's yeah, it's pain. It's pain in a way it doesn't feel like. Well, listen to me personally, not for the sake of it. Like I don't know if you guys this is like not even talking about Manga now, but I don't know if you guys head of a novel called a little life. No, but basically it's just like a very like the whole from beginning to end, back to front, is just a book about one man's like trauma from childhood to like the day he dies, literally, and it feels a bit like what is the point of this, like just so you just suffering, because suffering sick, but not a fish. It's kind of like there's a lot of suffering, but not for the sake of it. They're still like this,...

...still like yeah, unders like the love story. It is not conventional. It's like it's almost I don't know how to explain. You just have to read it, you just have to watch it. It's on my list as well, but there's gonna be too much pain. I can go through. Yeah, when one Ye, have something else that you're watching. Like this is like, not even to the same extent, but when Marie food was movie, Marine forward was marine boarding, had to start. I started the office just to have something about it, as otherwise I will be able to get through this. Like I used to know that I finished watching this episode, after it's gets fisted, I could go watch Michael Scott. That's how I balanced it. It's like I close crunchy roll and I open Netflix. fish. Have like a comfort show going at the same time. That would be my control. I think I'm only got three episodes left of moving forward. And Yeah, yeah, after well, you should definitely stop. Um, we started, not yet. I think I thought I was gonna wait till I caught up with or finish trainet man by. Might just start it anyway. Please, please do change someone fos. Yes, finish chains on my cam finishing. So my I'm like over two thirds, but the way done with it. It's not a chapters in it. Yeah, something. I'll finish it this week. It is only on Chan on man Nice seven. Yeah, part one. It's already short. Read it. I think if it was long, because it's so much that goes on, it's almost able, like it could easily be stretched out to a hundred fifty jeters. If if food, you won't really wanted to. But next, like after he won an award recently, he said that he can't wait to start part two. so He's coming back. Like yeah, he has another one shot coming out. Yeah, all really, yeah, it's going to want your comments and to end the discord. Yeah, it's got it coming on. I see if we look back, actually often do we change the man? I'm going to really look back and then start taking good and he why do you read watching a plain? So yeah, I've been really changed. So man, having a blast. I did. I knew that was going to enjoy it, but not this much. I'm really enjoying it. People are calling at like a virus manger. I'm not getting that. After's obviously there's elements to it are bit, I don't say slap sticky, but like more can be the elements to just kind of it's a bit like upsurdist, upsurdist and like the humor right, I guess that's what people are calling the vibes aspect of it. But the actual like plot and at the character motivations and was actually going on. It's it's serious a God. Yeah, and like obviously if your wators are is amazing. I really like the way he does the paneling as well. Like there's like whole whole pages where this like no dialog and you can still see, like it's the way secretcy can store very clearly see like this is what I want to like tell you it's happening. It's really good guard. It's fantastic and yeah, I can't really compare it to anything else I've read. This really cool and I had like a bit of a movement where I said that I was gonna I was going to pick up any neution and because they're all run on for like a million chapters now they have time. There's every things on my backlog when they go back to you, but every now and again there's like a breakout, like change on rand, but just dragging back in there. So, Oh yeah, I mean enjoying it. I've also been we actually that's the end mind of the reading actually, but I've been watching a few seasonal anime as well, which just I wasn going to do you, though, but then blue period. It's all in the seasons. I mean we feod okay terms, is right as happy. After wow, I was gassing it. I was like this is the best story, you guys are gonna love it. Then when it got closer to the actually like episode Premiere, the I'm like, Oh God, we're from gasted too much and you'll hate it. But then I'm sorry, happy that that's not the case. So, being period of watching, we did this thing. I literally watched the first episode. I was like done, actually, like from the even because I saw the mango obviously from the first chapter. I was like this is this, is it, like this is one of my favorites. Now I didn't even get that far. But yeah, it's really good, manger, and you kind of like accident needed this thing on in this in the discord on Monday's or just watching size of life. Apparently, so it last week you started with be period and then we watched my sempires annoying, which is another like amazing, amazing, feel good anime. Was it expecting much from it was actually really, really cute and really like funny and sweet. And then next week we're going to watch be period in my simpis annoying, and then I'd would to quit in the mix for the minute of time watch we're to care again and then, yeah, well, so I've been watching. I think that's it to be lots. I need to read more slice of life and shoulder, cause I...

...used to read a lot of them when I was younger and then I discovered shown and I've been just my like it just the client the amount of like first wife and showed you. I read and then I became toxic to soder watcher. So I need to like get back into that. So I want to do what Maney did, and just like bought random books see how going. I can't give you recommendations as well, like I always forget because of how much like I guess in like the fandom showing in obviously that the miss popular like genre. But actually I got into mango through fruits basket and orders are that kind of like shower or watch them taking men treat basket. It'd you go one hundred percent. If you go a hundred percent and ever got farther that peach girl, you know. So that's how that was my introductions anime. So I think I kind of stud any pepped it like in the background as I'm watching the show and stuff. As actually, as I got older, become more resistant to show and stuff, because in my in my latter spring, I'm like, Oh, I've seen one, I've seen them are but obviously did. Yeah, okay, and change of mind. I like, okay, near the middle. But yeah, I mean even with Jak, like the the cost like the the troopers, trope is still the same way. You got the you got the Hymbo, the one who hate life, like you know, the loud mouth, like making me like, you know, making me in every show. Now you know the teacher that's like crazy strong but also like, you know, like a days, a cool like, you know, kept the Constut there. I guess it's no such thing as like an original idea. Depends on what you do with it. So I guess raight OK is like yeah, this is like a shown in like troops, but I'm going to do something different with it and I'm gonna get good kind of thing. So that's all. I like show Joe's wife of tropes anyway, but it's like yeah, it's all Kay and I must watch it. I'm exactly and I like and playing spotting. Haven't really been playing anything else but November eleven it's been Shimagamma. Ten s five is coming out, so that's all. I'm going to be playing until I beat it one hundred percent or the roots. So no look for me, they really do. That means if it should may go tensey. Yes, I will. Okay, if I open my three Ds right now, you see how many I've clocked two hundred and fifteen hours and should be gone tensity four because I did the neutral route, which was like eighty hours. I did the chaos route and I'm in the law root I do all the roots and I play like the only game you can go. Glee, the only series, probably, I mean we ace Tony, but there's that count is a vision novel. I close the books and the stuff. But yeah, but yeah, there's only like the sweet game that I've been here and to shout for like years, even before I followed to them, to it. It was like what's it? Arm Mothers three, uh my goat. There was another one I can remember, like zero, something bound go you know this and it has what it has. But the bird or the Fox or something like a card of the Fox, Fox have zero, a zero. You never gotten. Have Zero game. If we had an episode a game, you, the PEO, would have forgotten because I would have been talking about it. They don't give a shit about follow you onto a fuck about e zero fans. I've stopped eating about it because a brook my seven years streak last year. I didn't you about fo ethree. So just like it's coming literally it's only f zero, Shimmer, going ten say ace. Attorney is Zelda and I guess persona as well. I really have time for the Games like that. By emblem. Let's be too Oh yes, between, please come out next years or so, being died between three and those six games. All your liked animal crossing because they gave us all the updates. We're back at at all, going back into the basement. F anual crossing in November as all, but I associate a games with you. Thank you. That's what everyone's up to. Let Uston as well to listen to the episode, for you've been up to as well and your thoughts and make actually know. I was gonna say your thoughts on like should your art, but it's for me, please. Yeah, completely that there. So the actual main topic got the episode is going to be in tune this speaky season, so that we're going to be talking about Ginger Eato, Aka the vast of horror, a same Manga anyway. But before we get into that, we have a few news topics to get into. A sow some news about FIFA and last stuff, for like, I don't know anything about football. Like pop people, I think. I think journey, the the worst gaming series of all time, is just it's just horrible. You're the only person I've ever heard say that. I mean you have opinions on it. We can cover right. Let me find the news article that it's it's horrible. I look...

...literally people play it, but that's because it's just like an options. Not many football games that you can play other people. We happened to pray, though, you just died out. Really now it's become a digital only game. So you're going to buy a digitally, know you get it for free digitally. We have to buy like the adults if want to play like different modes, and it's like it just made it worse. But now that FEF I have decided to to not allow ea to be the only company, so I can read at the heading for the article. So, guys, FIFA is ending it's long standing exclusive partnership with e sports. Statement Reads Feva is bullish and excited about the future and gaming and esports for football and it is clear that this needs to be a space that is occupied in more than one party controlling all rights. So the so people the game, much as at a monopoly on football games were world so worldwide. So that's literally able to give us the same game year of the year, of the year of the year, right, right, very minor improvements and people will still buy because we don't have any other options. So that's why that's what is the worst franchise ever. I don't think it's any other game or any series that literally gives the same game over and over again, and I think like the fief of version for the switch has come under fire recently, saying that it's literally the exact same game as the one two years ago. They just up day the players. Yeah, something on the man's they can under fire reason for it, but your fe for in general the gaming is just horrible. So this will allow of our other gaming developers to develop their own games that perhaps make them a bit more different or better than if you four games we be getting, or maybe few for games of finally, stop putting some money into improve the mechanics and the overall enjoyment of the game rather than using it as a clash cower and just tea. Still money from teenagers, Betty much. Yes, thanks from children. But yeah, I think if you've ever listened to any other episodes of for as this were, you shouldn't be copized by our feelings towards EA because a company. But yeah, so that's the fee. It is into side news. The teray animation official account tweeted on Riday, on Wednesday, but you. Rest in peace, Chris as agnifficent voice actor. He bought many one for characters to life, including freezer. You will be always remembered. Thank you for everything. So I think I think the English Dub of Dragon Ball Z is the one that I have two fund memories for, like even as an adult, and Dragon Boll seep came up when everyone was really excited for it. I tried watching the subbed for like the sake because, like, I usually watch sub and I'll get back to dub anyway. It's I think it's just really roll done that, even without the nostalgia boggles on. That's really well. Yeah, and I think freezes voice acting as well. It's especially like iconic. So I think this is a huge loss for the English was acting community. I'm not sure how he passed away. I look at the picture. He didn't look that. He looked quite young. Yeah, and sick. So he had a lot of issues with C APD, even undergoing a double lung transplot in two thousand and nineteen. So yeah, he's really seriously sick. Yeah, it's a great loss, I think. Then I don't know if anyone else, I don't know if you'd heard the news already turning. Yeah, yeah, I did. Yeah, yeah, rest in peace to Chris as loss. Every time I've Englan, obviously he did freezer and that only think of the one clip as that. That's you monkeys. These were real. Yeah, but like, I mean, if you want to look at Silverlineans is not suffering anymore. I guess think it was really all. But yeah, he's lost with community. And then one last piece of years. This is cheated by a new billion so ceed project read, and that's Sauber punk. Two Thousand and seventy seven's next gen upgrade is climbing quarter one two thousand and twenty two, which is three update, coming quarter to two twenty two. So, like, I know we don't care about cyberpunk anymore, but I might. I mean I did understood it from my psol because I was a hundred game under the Litti game. I don't know if I'd download it again, but I was still kind of curious. I think I'll watch other people play it and stream it, probably if they get back into it next year to Soukoski Sake, see how much is improved. But yeah, I don't know anyone else's thoughts on that. Everything I know about subber punk has been from other people. Like I actually don't know anything about this game, like I don't I don't know, like I've never seen any sort of gameplay of anything. Like really isn't. I've never. I've just never. I've just never engaged in this game before. Like all I it will. My knowledge of summer punk...

...is negative because of whatever people have said. So I want to see you like from something positive about it that. So can you guys do me, like something positive about this game, like I don't know, because everyone was saying also punk was like shit, we went so long for this game, blah, blah, blahd or so many bugs, like yeah, okay, but you are still buying it. Yeah, so I guess the feeling. Yeah, I guess my feeling playing it, which I didn't think is unique it or is the fact that when you're like exploring the city and you're playing the game, when it's not breaking on, crashing on you and stuff like that, you realize how much, how much Labor has gone into this game. I mean game, Video Games in this day and age or or is highly, highly labor intensive anyway, but especially with a game like this. is just so like massive and she's it's got such great talent, like you only reeves voicing and Johnny Silverhand and all these other characters, and just like the world building in the game, as well as, like, if this was like a finished game, they give them time to like make it polished and everything, would have been the game of the year, like hands down, like it had so much potential, and I think playing it and seeing how it's just like the whole like release kind of thing just crashed and burned, make you, you like upset, and I angry on behalf like the devs that worked on it, the talent that worked on it, and it's because really the only reason why it was a complete crap, it was a complete like dumpster files, because the stakeholders wanted the game to come out. Now. They really delayed the game enough times. They with those things about their money they would do when it didn't want to lose any more money. Basically, you want to risk it that the game has cut out now, because we really deleted that three times and obviously that thing that meant that we got the unfinished game. So do you think it was an error on the death behalf, or do you think they were pressure until they were on crime, which as well I like. And even with that there's just like it came out, it wasn't ready to come out. It wasn't the devil for or it is the lack of most things. Is the guys in suits at the top, the Russian thing. Yeah, they had a final say. Obviously the deaves are like from the ground. So but yeah, I mean the game was rushed because it's take alois a think about the money. But when it came out and it is on finished and the journalist and the gamers were like, what the Hell is this? Then at least the money anyway, because that to refund everyone. So yeah, it's just from every angry approache. It was just the mess. But the game itself, you play it. I enjoyed playing it when I played it because, like it was fun. It just wasn't finished and it was bogged. You Be Buggy. He had them crushing seem reluctant to keep playing and kids I lost on my programs. So actually get yeah, yeah, it's just a shame, but I'm looking forward to seeing, like you said, more positive stuff come out next year more people play it. But I don't know if I'll be down with it again. I've got my esthetic, yes, for I don't think I can downwad cyberpunk again. Oh yeah, about your money, I didn't. I don't think he played it. More interests antle. Okay, I think that before he came out, like I was only interested because it's just much happy and inn it. But at the moment I saw, I think it was prime the first persons well playing how buggy. You was just lucky. I'm never getting this game ever. Now we're getting into the main topic of discussion, and that is the way of ginge eater, master horror. So I'm sure he he's no introduction, but just to like do the whole scene transition into the main topic. So He's missed. He's a horror and Garca. That's why his name for and his Miss Notable works includes to me. Or is it to me, Tommy too? Tommy, yeah, toll me it seriously. to He is a residut. You to expect it. I'm feel the guys your manage only ready one of his works. So, sir, so he's missing to for works include. told me it seems kind of cling an immortal girl who drives a stricken admirers to madness Zu Marquis, a free volume series about a town obsessed with spirals, and your two volume story where fish and controlled by a strain of senti bacteria called the death bench. So I'm sure what as we discussed the discussual guy itself. For just to kick it off, I wanted to ask everyone what was the introduction to ginger eater? So if I start, my first instruction to ginger eater was using marquis. I read it in two thousand and sixteen. Two Thousand and sixteen. Yes, join ustody at work and it's been on my list for ages and I want to just a plan to just read the first few chactors before like going home again. One by ended up reading the whole thing during my shift. Yeah, it's a really great story. Really sucks you in and it's really unnerving. I guess I'll have to read more ginger eater to speak more clearly about it, but I kind of a seemed he'd be the more kind of like jump scare, kind of like horror, my God car, but instead it's kind of that kind of hard I gets on your skin and makes you really uncomfortable. At least that's what I got from using Marquis. Like I was itching for like the rest of the weekend. I'm finished reading it, but yeah, that was my introduction to d eater and is...

...turney's, from you read, the most return he has with the most of everyone in this call. So what was your first geter? Manga, my first Jane, you two mango was like a short story. So it was called the smoking club and it was about of luck. It was a about a bunch of teens that like basically gathered after school and just decided to smoke. It just bonded from smoking, and then one day one of them says like, Oh, I discovered this tobacco patch behind like this house where at the term. So then they all stop saying, oh, we got free tobacco, not knowing that there's a body hidden under this tobacco patch. So they've been smoking the like the spirit or the ashes of someone who lived in that house previously, and then their spirits sort of like intertwined with the tobacco and like became like part of the students. And I like saw this like just randomly, like randomlyack on Google images looking for something. I was like, what is this and I searched for ages. I get I don't know, like everyone gone for this one, like you've just seen like one times. You have no context, like and you just search through it, like I'm until you get somewhere. And I was like who is? Who is Jingis, like who is this? WHO's this dude? So then, after reading the smoking club, I just wanted to binge. Just started reading all of his stuff. I didn't read it was a macky to like very, very late, like I I wasn't actually that interested in is Maki. At first. I was like spirals is not scary, like why would I want to read this little did you know exactly? Yeah, I read it, like yeah, I read it. It was a mackey. I've read like a lot of his short stories beforehand and then eventually was like a let me read it. Is a maky because everyone seemed to be obsessed with is a mackey and they work. I've heard some people said this is the best work where it's are debatable. So that so I decided to read it and it was great. Like I found it really incredible how he turns something as as simple as spirals into something so unsettling, because I've never seen someone do something like this, like spirals. Know what? You don't think of spirals on and look at it and think, Oh, this is creepy, but when it becomes combined into like one and every an only thing. You see a spirals in a certain setting, it becomes, yes, it becomes, I said, on certain and you're just like White, why is this happening like this is it just makes your skinful and through there. I read Tommy and then I read gyro and it's a Jarre, I think, jarred one with the fish. Yeah, gire. Yeah, I thought Yo. I didn't pronounced Yo. Oh, this is like yeah, yeah, I read Yo so and yes, from that I just read little little bit, some bobs from his own more short stories than other shoot cheese direct. Fuss. Should it cheat diary of the lights if my things? Yeah, just basically how I got into Gingero from from one pound, like one pannel on wog images. Yeah, that's can I ask your question, and Tony quickly. So with the first man got to you read was the smoking club. Hmm, pretty much the whole man is somebody got put in a spliff and everybody smoked him. Oh God, it was basically yeah, but it was more people. Basically, how are you sitting on that the moment, from the moment he said to walk, or even there was someone that, yeah, I think you got this. If that sounds Gretty beds, but I didn't wanted to write them. The thing is that there's a panel where like all of them are rolling their cigarettes and a they sit in like a circle and like they're smoking and the smoke is like in the in the shape of the spirit of the deceased. That's so. Now what it's like, Oh, yeah, cool, yeah, that's you're so you're like a proliferic kit to gata reader money. I know you mentioned that smashed was your introduction to Gi eater and also the only that you've read. Do you think you were you open to reading ginge eater before it was nominated as the mango club pick, or where you just kind of like, or maybe I'll get around to it, like, how bothered were you about it's all, I don't wander. Recommended Smash is because I already boot smashed and he's a marquis. Buy Smashed and easy marquis. I guess this Wa should of us is just because of how how do you read he is so and I haven't really read Horror Manga before and if, if, if we're telling me he's like the God father of...

...horror mangers. Like yeah, actually, I should, I should be reading a stuff. So yeah, so I literally brought it to read it, just to, I guess, to see what the happe is about. And and I don't think as much as I like by your physical manger. I think that's specifically for that horror or things that all mangers are specifically like mostly about the artwork. I feel like I need to have the physical copy to enjoy it as much as a possibly could. So, yeah, that's essentially that's why I bought I'm smashed in some month, you guess. That leads us into the next part, which I guess just would be more for tourny and I. What is your favorite ching to eat a Manga that you've read, your favorite of his work, as in like, as in a physical like a book, like a continuous book, or like any short any of this, any of the any of his works. They could be the short stories or a complete, like long, longer running series, or I could be an anthology from the put like a okay, my favorite work from June too, is the grown in drain. I don't know if you guys have read this or heard of this, but I think I've had of it. Yeah, it's about a girl who's like she's like a really beautiful girl and she goes to high school and she walks out of her sister every day. Her mom suffers from like some sort of like OCD or something, because the house must put always be perfect, like perfectly clean, like in my shower every time they come home and every day. This boy who goes to the NC school who is, I'm going to say he's gross, like he's absolutely discussed. The Way Ding do you to like draws him just makes him look really gross, like he's really greasy. Everything you touch with her, like grease comes off his fingers to her and she's like don't touch me. Yeah, the mum makes her and her sister shower every day as soon as they come home. And then it's sisters are talking about this boy who's been following the MC. So this boy eventually finds their house and turns up and in the mum seen how like grossy looks. She's like stay away from my house, like you've got. She's going through like a Kan of attack. She's like you can't, don't touch my gate. Nothing. So eventually the boy keeps waiting for the MC and then she's like I can't be near you, like, don't come near me, you really freak me out. And then they keep hearing something in the pipes. So every day that the girl rejects the guy she's they're like they keep hearing things in the pipe, of the pipes of block. They keep calling like people in and they can't figure out what's one of the pipes. And it turns out that the boy has been living in the pipes waiting for this girl to shower all the time. So it raises the question of why? How this way? If you were to see the picture, it raised the question of how this boy got into the pipes, like but at the same time, this might just be me, but would also explain why you look so grimy all the time. So so weird. How do you come up with this? Really, it's really it's really weird. I like you kind of read it. You're just like what's got? What's in the mind, like outing June, like what's in the mind of this man? I like, how did you think of how does they think of these kind of things? But I think it's my face. I think I don't know why that particular story stuck in my mind for so long and when people mentioned like June eater, to me that's the first story that pops up and I can't, I can't, I couldn't tell you what. I couldn't tell you what, but I feel like that is my favorite story. I've read a lot of them that I would put in my top five, but the fact that's the fust one I think of every time I heard like this guy's name, I think that's like you're my favorite. Yeah, cool. What are you think? To me? I think I think I'll put easy Marki up there, but maybe I guess it's been long enough now. Maybe I need to read it and see if the if I still feel the same. But I did. I do remember enjoying using marquis. Like I said, I read it all the one go when I new plan to just started or so I need to come back to it. End Up bringing the whole thing. But in terms of short stories, I mean I have shiver, but I didn't finish reading all the short stories. But from smash that we read I did like the story about I forgot the name of it, but the one about how people who have like on this farthbound. There we go. So what the one about the people who had like unfinished business attached to like setting like people locations and they just become like statues basically, and then becoming like apathetic and stuff. That really to me. That's like horror things like that. That's like it was me like horrifying and like as like the ending, as soon as you meet the, I guess, the Du to Roganist of the story, you kind of knew where it's going.

We've been type it confirmed that the end it is kind of like yeah, it's Freaky, yeah, but yeah, so I like that story. I think stories like that I prefer. From into Eato, I love what he does. Is kind of like like eldritch horror, like body horror kind of stuff, which I find more like uncomfortable. But I've been like not in a good way, like I found was uncomfortable in a good way, like yeah, this is the story that we gives me out. I can do. I like the storytelling you, but don't like body horror sheet. I can't really fuck with it and I feel like did Youto is really good at that. So like, yeah, in the cover of Shiver. I don't know if anyone seen shiver. I can show anyone. I don't know if the question for both of you guys like, like that's disgusting, and this specially. Yes, you see the context page. I knew that that story was coming. I close this book and I be bacine. I bought this last tylerween and never been back. It's disgusting that I can't do that Shit. But like stuff stories that Earth bound that you do. You two writes really good and I but what I've heard about hell star Ramana. I think I really I think I really enjoyed that as well, so I'm going to read that one next. So, yeah, I've got question for both of you, like, because you both read the whole mango right. Yeah, I smashed. I got La Halfway. Yeah, so the story about the goal drinking Greece. So they go. Who lived that? He's like Um for more like ran the respawn. He was constantly greasy. I think. What did you think of that? We're going the last those are the last story. I remember it was. I get that far, but I heard you talking about the grease store worry and I was like, Yo, was that in with that in matched? I don't think so. I don't remember a story because I read online and it was it was other think it's just smashed because I looking at the name of the story. Is there's mysterious. You have the haunted house, which is beloved pair in Mirror Valley. I don't want to be a ghost, library, vision, splendid shadow song and then smashed. Oh okay, cool, Oh Shit, sorry, screw my French. Maybe they just threw that story in, but I'm having as it might benish. It might have been a shiver. I thought this one has all the disgusting stories in it. EA, see one in the begins. I can't mode the name, but it because it's a key. It's called greased. It's in Shiva. Is that we caught? It's got greased. It's in Shever. Okay, yeah, far, because I was like Yo, yeah, I feel like you know one in particular that is like one of the worst stories I've read's like drinking, but who it actually gets worse? Right, maybe, like what what's the meaning of this? DIDINGA's disgusted. I will read UN an empty stomach, like I genuinely thought, like a lot of like works that I've read of his, like I genuinely believe that is one of the worst. I can believe it. But so is putrid, like disgusted, but I love it so much. In conclusion, I read this and I was like this dude is twisted, like I'm it. I will read it now because I skipped a whole lot of shiver because it's like there's a lot of things are just like those, that holes and shit of the but I think I will read it to see what that's about. I saw the title, I was like Nope, because I know did do what he does, but I will, I will read it. A good question. What is about you eat his work that actually into things like you find a scary or uncomfortable, like what is about the because the scary or comfortable for you? Oh, that's good question. First that Um, is it like they're like another extension, like are you like a horror fan and other genres and it's like so bushy like gravitate towards work by ginger eater, or do you that is it like an exception? I wouldn't, because I'm so horror find in general, like everyone, most of my waking hours, like I'm consuming some hot horror media, Oh, like your horror media. So when I feel like I'd this a God by the way. They do said, though, I want to ask them what is every okay, Gothic, like the majority of my waking hours, and Gothic, Gothic,...

...hard edgy. That's so valid. Everything. If you had a black topic would have been a rap and it just a single light on and like a black back, like horrors, just like my favorite genre, like I just, I just, I'm just obsessed with it, basically. But I feel like I have such a strong connection with Gingito is because he was the first like horror Mandica I discovered, like I for someone that like consumed as much horror like media as I do, it never crossed my mind to read Horror Manger, and I don't know why it didn't. So I think when I discovered that first panel, the smoking club, on Google images, it just sort of made me. It just opened a world to me of horror manger that I didn't even know like existed. So the rest feel like the reason why, yeah, I have such a strong connection because Gingito, like his work over my eyes to other things as well. And plus, I like how all of his work has like an element, like all of his characters have like an element of no, I'm frating it wrong. All of these mcns have an element of like innocence, for his work remains completely spooky. Like, for instance, if you read like the intersection pretty boy, the main character of that is this a young girl standing the corner waiting for someone to tell her future, yet to tell her future, but the monster in it is like completely that complete contrast to like the MC and I feel like I like this, to the cartoonish, like Um drawing. How like that contrast with the monsters that come later? I don't know if this is making any sense, but it's making sense my yeah, yeah, but yeah, basically I feel like that's why I like Juja too, because they Du's just these just twisted like there's no there's no end to like his imagination, and I really appreciate that. So, yeah, yeah, I feel like reading his short stories, I always kind of think in the back of my mind is and reading it, like how did he not run out of ideas, like where's yeah, you got his ideas from, and I guess it kind of link back select the whole thing with busy marquis in the spirals. It's like, I think that's part of what makes him so popular. He takes a many mundane things exactly. And Yeah, it's a whole, like universes and world. Yeah, they these things to be absolutely terrifying, which I guess if you can make mundane things terrifying, you'll never run out of ideas. So yeah, so, yeah, I think that's that's part. That's I think, to me anyway, that's probably why he's so popular. I can't really think off the top of my head of any other like prolific horrorm and gorcers like. I think he's the only. He's INN was to mind, but again, I'm not really someone who has horror as a favorite. Like. Obviously I'm open to it, but's something I seek out. So I don't know if you maybe turn you be better at turns. Basically, you said that you didn't really consider reading horror manger until you found that panel Baston on we were images. But since discovering Jing eater, have you found any other horror and carcers and had they like matched up to the quality, I guess, of eat or do you still think he's like the standard for the industry? Here's the thing, right, and this might be a bit controversial, I don't know if, but I feel like I've read a lot, like I've read a lot of like horror manger. I don't remember any of the author's names, don't remember the titles because you know you're like reading something it's like, Oh, this is you read this like just be recommended for you, but just click on it. Just can keep the right reading them. Um. But I feel like so dinguito is not the scariest mother, but I feel like he's one of the most popular magicus horror mothers out there. And there is a lot, I feel like there's a lot of like other works that are way scarier than his. But at the same time I feel like Jingjito is a great what's the word? He's a great get on gateway for people who want to discover like mango horror, because his work is easy to read, like it's spooky scary and it opens door for other people that be like or I've read this, I want to read something similar, and then they fold out that rubbit hole of trying to find more horror that might be like doing diato's and then they discover what kind of horror Manga they like from there on. So if you like things a bit like bit more frilla or like a bit more spooky, a bit more psychological, like, these are the hope, these are all the things, because engine...

...do the story. That's sort a range of things. It's not just like spooky, some things unsettling, some things are more a thriller, some things like more terrifying. You know, there's just there's not just one tone in his work. So I feel like while reading his work you can discover what like kind of dumber you like from his work, even though the whole base is horror at the end of the day. And Yeah, I feel like he's a good gateway into discovering what kind of horror you like, because if you read something at the smoking cloth which is not necessarily scary but a bit more chilling, you might want to read something else with a bit more chilly in the horror. Sorry, horror jumps. Let me finds. Yeah, yeah, because you are just, you know, looking off flo what are you talking about? I'm paying attention because I he said like, compared to you with when you read so few, like Mangoni, read smashed, but it's like how many stories are smash just, like a dozen't but thirteen? Yeah, yes, they still like enough of strajus work together, like a feel for it. So I think, because even though I've known of him for one and I've read quite back across is like and it's a discography, Bi biography, like see, like how he's got a good gateway to the other harm and Goko. But yeah, so, yeah, that will makes sense, I guess. But some of you work with more glory. If you the first love is, yeah, you might want to look for something that's similar to that. By what? Yeah, as well, and then you discovered that's the kind of horror you like. Yeah, you know, I can. Yeah, like now I know that. Okay, I really enjoyed using marquis. I liked earth found. So I liked. What's the One? Would like this, the haunted vinyl without the dead artists WHO's like be listened to the vinyl and then they become pedest I'm describing it awfully, but it's one of the first story in Shiva. That's it could also that there's one that similar in these record used record. Yeah, this one similar. Smash by prefer the one and shiver used record is like a haunted vinyl, like if you listen to if you listen to the records, you become possessed. Basically, it sounds really simplicity, but the right turns out is like more, like, it's like more, it's more lay than that. If I read that, like I don't remember what I like. Yeah, it's always worked, like I read like years ago. Yeah, so, and when you go through so many stories, you're about to figet a whole mount. I forgotten like so many, but I remember those ones because I know those are the ones that I liked the most. I think when Juja writes about things that are like less, less buddy horror, less gore, less like gross and squeaky, like grease them more, but like more mystery. I guess when this more, when he uses more like the element mystery, like, what the heck is going on? There's the stories. Enjoy the miss so like that. I'm not I think it was Jerry who said that. Oh Yeah, you will enjoy a hell store Roman are you should read that next. And that's Gott Been Sci fi element as well. Yeah, and the really interested to see how I'Mngarka like you to cheats a sci Fi story. So I know that there's are the kind of works I'd be drawn to. You. I have no interest in grease, but I'm curious about it. I give a shit the one that's in the cover of shiver with the holes in the face and not reading it, doing just nick thing. I'm not reading it, but I will read hell s a Roman, I read I'm a Gara fault. You know, I'll check out go but yeah, so, yeah, I think that's the good things were. Even though he's like it's horror, it's like different kinds of like genres within his work. So you can kind of like they can choose, which I guess, like you said, makes it a good gateway to horrormonger, because they based on the person is coming to you, based, if you know noe, of their taste for other than God. You can say, Oh yeah, you can start with this one or this one. You know, they might not like us in Mar keeper. They might like this one exactly, and I know it's a smash. I don't know if he does. This is other other books that have a lot short stories that there's like a particular theme will smash. You know, the short stories to me felt like you was trying to convey the message of or conveyive feeling of having regret in regards to closure, because I feel like a lot of the stories for like those closures that was needed for the story to end, all those all the stuff that people regretted from the past that they will never they weren't able to completely get get over, and that's es sense. You what what I thought, what the backbone of the WHO Smash Series was. So don't know if you have had similar feelings with other short stories that is put out, that there's a particular theme within that book. To be honest, I couldn't even tell you likely vibes. Yeah, I think that thing about you, you'd like drawing the lines watcheen, like closure and stuff, is good. I think that kind of hints to like, I guess, the kind of tastes my and I would have, because I'm I guess we're not like you're the horror...

...fan, so you know the most of all, like what different, like horror, like storytellers, even outside the manger, like usually do. So I guess for readers like May and I would basically the kind of heater stories would be drained. You would talking back to what we're drawing do in other than like manger. So we like like the whole like really saying in and like kind of like mysteries, slice of life and know whatever. So yeah, yes, it don't make sense in that but yeah, a lot of you eaters works, in my opinion, also quite vibes, quite vibes he so yeah, like kind of just leave you kind of read them with this leave just being like and just leave it ways. Just talkt there, like because, like I've read through to anthology works now and I think there's a lot of them. was just like yeah, I we didn't not to get but in there's some that like really stick with me. Yeah, I guess for this last part I think it would be good to talk about a series or a series of works that we've all read, which is smashed, which we read for the Manga Club earlie October. So, yeah, thoughts. I think we had some spicy takes as a discussion room out. I was just wanting to read. I was just going to repeat mine, but still going to be like I oppose the question of whether ginge eater really is that great. Of A storyteller in regards to horror mangle, or is it just the fact that he doesn't have much competition in regards to or does he not have much competition because he's that great or storyteller? Or was it just because there's not that many? Don't that many other there are enough works in horror anger for you want to pose a threat, and that's why he's like the standard and he's actually, he's okay, he's not that great, quite know, but it wants to like. If I wouldn't say like, or I would say that doesn't have any competition, because there's tons and tons of like horror Um authors out there. However, I do feel like the exposure of Tommy at aided his career a lot, because people were just drawn to Tommy for some reason, and I guess that's the whole, the whole of the book. Like the people were drawn to this one goal because she was so beautiful, and the the way that the Internet just kind of took her and ran energy became like she was just everywhere, like you know, I mean like the way the way you like not even mean culture, just like I'm trying not to like say a certain I'm trying not to like to say a certain group of people that took Tommy and ran. What the Group of people? Huh? What the Group of people like? I'm I'm not trying to offend no one, but like they were like certain certain people, like really was drawn to Tommy, like the way you keep, the way they, like MCS, were drawn to Tommy, like in in the books, and you know, there was like live actions, you know, I mean there was like, yeah, that's a live action like film of Tommy, and you know. So I do feel like I do feel like the way, okay, you know what money. I was gonna say, like when you say that, Oh yeah, the way like Tommy, just bring Internet. The first images, that sort of of that Manga was on Pinterest in your how like pretty like illustrations of pretty anime girls that people just like pick. They remove the watermark of the artist and just gets recycled in cycle. was like that's how I want to me. Yet that one's Tattoo. That's what. That's what. That's what. That's what Tommy was giving. But I guess if I actually like read the mangoes when we got more depth to it than bad. But I guess just on a survey surface level. That's what made it so popular and I guess by extension, like he said. But like yeah, I guess. If you want to come back to your point, we could come at but I guess I was trying to get it was like yeah, yeah, like I said, I do feel like, yeah, like I said before, like I do feel like he has come Atian that there could. There's a lot of like corr artists out there, but certain exposures from exposures, from certain stories, with the help of the Internet, like he's a mackey Tommy Um Commember, the name, but the want, the one with everyone had their own hole in the rocks as a hell star. Okay, we I'm a one. Yes, that one years,...

I thought. Yeah, then complete set my mind. These kind of things, thanks to the Internet, made him like boosted his popularity. So when you think of like horror manger, you automatically thinks Gringia too, which kind of slightly pushes away other magicus out. Yeah, because his work just became really popular thanks to the incident. So yeah, yeah, that's before we move on from me. What is your final rating for smashed as the Anthology? Much I would give it a solid seven point ten and then ten. So an eight, eight, what? Seven point or seven? Osenk okay, okay, Strong, seven out of ten. Okay, I hear it. Are you know what? Like I said before to defend myself, I did not pick smashed for Manga Club. That down money. I said we should have picked fragments of horror and I got air time. So and I remember you saying that. Huh, I don't remember you saying that. I did. Let's be good, because smash was very mean. It was a time and everyone was like money was like less meat. Smash, like we're reading smashed. I just adjusted it because I had it and I do want to buy a book. No one's forcing me to buy Manga. By the way, many, just to let you know, you have to buy every Bango you read. You could do this physical, you can just read it through the APP. I counted up how much eats individual mangle cost. That would go stee. Was Funny, to be honest. In this London I don't spend money on my going. I can like open my eyes and I can see where the money went. Yeah, fine, takeaway or getting the Tula hither and, you on or you BA so the mind's go. Anyway. It's a I need to point out when I said a certain like group of people, I didn't mean that in the doorbory. Why would to say it? Because I was trying to think of a different way to say it. But like it. That was me, like these basement dwellers online. I'm a accused. You know what you want. I just meant like Egos always much when you just say it, is that, like is that Aus Huh's an, the epitector class? Now what could you just say? Egos like. I didn't want to make it seem like I hope this gets cut anyway, like do you want to make it then put in it? Did you see the studio show that I confused betweeny with a role life human? Did Not getting it make it seem like a bashing egos, like, oh well, I didn't mean it like that. I'm just saying that, like egos took Tommy and ramed it. Yeah, yes, happens online with animal girls in it. They see you cute like drawing, yea, they get catooed all over their bodies and become them. The amount of money that wants tattoo artists, the one, the one artist that drew that one Tommy Tattoo, that one picture that artist drew off to me that everyone got tattooed. Yea Artwork. Yeah, the amount of money they should have been round. Wow. So with somebody else's Ip, you can imagine, like I'm picking things. It was so well like drawing that people were confusing it full legit like oh wow. So when people are just like, Oh, I got it's tattooed, people like that's not a Fishal art. That's and then they were linking the artist who do this like years and years ago, and they must be aware because people have been talking about this one drawing for us. So and yeah, they should have spend random money time ago, but the Internet just remove what mark and just and that's it. Money. What's your final verdict? One smashed exactly, picked out ten it even bad it was. It was a good read. Wasn't nothing to sing with it. There's that. A few stories that I really like. For example, of found the word about the cat was a bit funny, which that to other stories that I actually really enjoyed. None of the stories were bad, they just slack. Yeah, yeah, I think outside of earthbound. I like the one with the haunted house as well. Okay, yes, that was so good, but I feel like especially the art was amazing. I think it just goes back to what manny was saying that story particularly. Maybe feel like...

...if I was reading this online, wouldn't have slept the same seeing the art on the pages like this, the whole page spread of like the things. Is that the name of the thing? The boy eating the human and chains he bas seeing? You're just seeing the whole a whole page spread that that artworkers just like. It Really Shawes you. Like this is why you buy physical member because it won't hit the same thud of scrolling online. Like it was really well drawn it, but trying to Larry and puts it there is like it is clean. You can see all the detail, really good, like I think, like the kind of like forget someone's when reading it did eat us an amazing artist, like he's in incredible, really incredible artists, and I think that's what I enjoyed most about some of the stories that I found a weaker, the art was still really good. Yeah, I like the one about the the flood, the flash flood with the drowned spirits. Yeah, I enjoyed that one as well, like I ended. Yeah, so, I think if if ginge eater wasn't such an amazing artist, smashed upon me like a strong five found me, but it gets that six foot five celebrating for me because it was so enjoyable. It so the pleasant reads, even when I felt like the stories are weaker. But I did like some stories in particular. It's another story that are really, really enjoyed. Was the one with the guy that would the woman that eats Ghos. Did you read that one woods? I think I got them. Okay that that was a really good story. Do you remember Tony? It's one of the COMEDIANS. No, not that one. A woman eat scales. is in that a guys. She's a woman who was like in the middle of road with brother in my face and you rescues are and then eventually become close and then she's like she's tells. In that are you're guarded by so many angels and spirits and goals and when he falls asleep she eats. She eats the spirits and goals and then her guy had a wife in cheats on her with this ghostie are. Yeah, the wife ends up getting it. So I kind of winning with this by start, the one event. Yeah, the wife ends up killing myself. It was she was pregnant. So then the wife and the baby's goals fight around. You don't see it, but the go skier eats them. Even afterwards. This this guy's like under years, lego monthly's on death beds and she's like round the corner waiting for him to die. So she did cure. It is outside of his hospital bed, licking a lips, waiting for to die. It was it was a really well writ story. It was more stuff like that, I would have lacked it a lot more. Well, yeah, but overall it was over. It was good. It's not necessary. Some I know I'm probably won't go back to this, but I'm not put off by his work, like I'm looking forward to being monstuff from him. Yeah, I've just know that this is not. When is this is not his best work. Yeah, I think that makes you more optimistic, the fact that even other Ding to fans can be like slashes. Okay, but like he's got a better works. Feel like, okay, I'm excited to read those works because I still enjoyed smash for what it was like. I just remembered another story I really liked was the guy that killed the siblings, killed their parents. Yeah, killed their father and put the PAT in. He kept he kept coming back, go like his apparition, get coming back while he was on death row, until they forgave them, like generally forgave him, and then he stopped coming back. But by the time that that happened she'd already lost all the family members. I really like that story as well. Definitely. Yeah. So, yes, that's was a good read, but like, I think wouldn't meeting who you won't read it again. I might sell it. But, like did ginge Eato, terms look really nice like on the shelf. depends. If I was the same, I probably will sell her seld know, because I'm not going to read them again. Then we give them a better home. But I am it does reading smash doesn't me more excited to read, and my Garre Fault and all star Ramana there's been recommended to me based on what I've liked so far. Oh yeah, we guess. Just to round us up, just to stay on the similar note, Tony, what would you I guess it'd be difficult if you don't have a specific that kind of person and like if you don't need a taste. So to make it easier, what three ginger eater works would you recommend to someone who is completely new to horror? Manger? Okay, so I would recommend, because now my head is just whirling with like what with work? Um, I would recommend other book. Or should we choose diary of curses, because that's amazing. Oh, the smoking club, one of my favorites. Want to beat that one El since you talked about it. It is listen, it's my favorite. So yeah, should we cheat? Direct purses, the smoking club...

...and the foot on? HMM, yeah, one. They tell me what it is about. I'm going to go read it. Great. So that is it for this episode of fors academia. Big, big thanks to our special guests, puny, eater scholar. This episode have been ten minutes long without you, so thank you for coming very much. Yeah, so I've been tard. been joined by Tony during by many, too many. Man. What's your out on twitter that you've changed it so many times? Well, do you want people to find you? First of all? Yeah, yeah, on my twitter is coach, but you're not be able to spell it cause I change it around. Okay, change. I changed it so it doesn't even though it's so the same like you won't find it if you want to stop, Tony. Four more horror Ango x bore at them in the Primo tweet for this episode, so being a look at. For that they despair. It's it's we joined by money and we have been for as I could. Gami a plus, Tony, thank you for joining us. Let us say your thoughts in this episode at for as I couldemia on twitter, instagram, Tick Tock, Youtube, everywhere. And Yeah, we'll catch you next time. Having Black Tastuemuk, and happy Halloween by.

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