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Episode 57 · 1 month ago

Halloween Special: Junji Ito's Works || Episode 57

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Happy Halloween everyone! Known as the master of horror, Junji Ito is the creator of popular manga such as Uzumaki and Tomie. The cast, joined by special guest Toni, discuss their impressions and favourite works by Ito.

On this episode:

@toomannyman @tudzdotexe & Toni

A hell everyone and welcome back toanother episode of was academia you're drunk today by myself, tids specialguests, Tony and money say I I love to what we just get back into like atraditional kind of that interest, and this so few of us so we're going tocatch up with everyone. I find out what everyone's been getting up to you somanny. What have you been reading watching and playing this past October? I've been catching up to you, thelatest season of anyway. So I was watching me watching that myself, mysin, Paris annoying blue period come, can communicate what I we watching a fit. I think Ithink that's my bulk of enemy, a pot from the usual one piece, weekly stuff, that's what we watching I be reading. One piece has always finished the waterseven buck not the long ago I've been reading sense. The premise ofsweating sop is wid. It is weird, but like it's one of thoseones who like, if it wasn't for people who, like their opinions, are holdinghigher steam on to or talking about it. I probably would have been like what isthis, but it's one of my favorites, it's so good. Okay, okay, pe the setTatis aside, the actual that's a hactions of the protagonismlike how their relationship actually progresses. It's so like it's reallynice like it's done so well, it's almost. This might be like toxic, butit's like is it's that you have to let remind yourself the Dean Gar becauseher man, because he writes the relationship like so well. Usually yousee that with like femaleness, I like yeah. Everyone's is really like threedamage. Knowing it we had. I would read the first volume, but there'sdefinitely been things in the rithinetic. was that mad out side, thefirst chapter I forgot one things quite easily and he and the smoking is just a bitactually not that bad. To be fair, it's red! It's weird, but it's not like it'snot like Toreada eared's. So far the pots I've got to just nice to see howthe relationship has been developing from that and obviously so, if, if noone's ever read, I certain UPO. Her was nothing about it. This tamingcharacters. Obviously the female carater has issues withsweating and actually just sweats everywhere, all the time and she's very,quite self, conscious of that and just nice to see that I guess is building aconfidence a little bit by being with him so yeah I'll, definitely or on readingit I'm at so the books. When I finish it, I can't imagine myself going backto reading this, but my sold my Mindelo when I finished reading it, you just buy Manga just for buying itstate yeah. But now I dint think o that when you Wahti just boy it yeah yeah. But yes, so also he reading reading beserk here and there just have a reread- and I think that'sit really teaches the guys on week y read one piece, obviously Grace Mangler timeand a pot on that Ol ofered we'll get into that a bit later. But obviously Iread smashed recently by Jeto, but yeah. Getting to that little bit later at em.Playing is between is the only gym that I've played since forever. In tell you what about you, whateber upto this past October, I'm still trying to get through the rito minorities. Ye've been dragged back into the NORITOfandom. No, the like yeah. I've been trying to get for thatbecause I really said I'm not starting, like any other, a Patwor Butaro, I'mnot starting any other enemy. Until I finish no rotor, becauseheritor is like five hundred episodes in ship Yodo, so I'm not doing that patron to ducaisne yeah, that's weekly need to catch up on one piece, yeah an you looking disapprovingly anytos. I need to catch a one piece.Okay, just do it less coonie one Pecten, one thousand and twenty three o. Youlie six six huts away: Yeah, don't let a Pi! That's what I did thebetter. What tons were reading it? Listen I let it pile up for like ninetychapters like one time it was the whole like like one of Ok and I was like no.I need to read this before I get to that Fathom Chap tont. What did I like?I fund that out in like a week like, I...

...was like I'm not doing that. I think Idone the exact thing I was at the end of of October as ye were. Having readone piece in ages and I was like I said, a message group is like I am going tocatch up en one peace by November, the first as the L to a to furtigue singlechapter for I left off. So let us let read everything in that was like about eighty chapters. We O N EighteenN, it chapters one and and a literal render within within that to toe periodbecause I just had to get up, but the determination I had to read the onefather chatter with the community. Like I didn't, do anything else like Ididn't watch nothing. No Watch on TV is reading on the Bart Freedom to traineverything like one. The one piece like the showing up at was open. Twenty fourseven like I was up doing anything else and I felt like really great readingupon Father Chapter, the rest of it for everyone else and seemed like readingit in real time without the community it was great yeah. That was a properexperience. So some people don't relate some people. Quite my thing is you want me to binge onepiece and just I put bringing take and not take anything in and then no andthen forget. How long is his mother had her? Had It ro like some certain people,or do you want me to read about or pace, actually take it in and understand whatI'm reading like what you, but you can't say you really no O T, I N N, oh my Tisias, so annoyed. I felt likeit was a betra to me to you fassit me versal, but every week we're doing whatone be together and I'm just sitting this like you know, you know the Abbe Ido. Who is this impostor? I think it was a fresher. I think shecrumbled on the pressure if he was just a relaxeth. She wouldn't have got itwrong because that's to there's no Tixall, I twenty what Ho you redeat else. Have you beenreading and playing this past October no fucking, I haven't like playedanything like a tall like a con from my switch right now, so confine I can't find nothing so reading. I started reading a toilet, bound,helicot, coon, yeah yeah, because I've been seeing a lot of it recently. So Iwanted to be. I would just want to see what that was like, so I started firstcouple chapters like it's good, I'm gonna Continue. I put it on my list to get back to Muss Reeds, youknow, but Ye du Sercise is popping off right now, yeah! Yes, it you, peopletalk about, have even got into a chapter like whatever Ye, and you petell you that should be your art. I'm scared to you should be I'm not it's not a N. It's not dit likeOh. This is not a nice experience, but you have to get there when you get theis it kind of like red, regan kind of Shit like? Oh, IT'S NO YEAHS! It'sentertaining you, you o o Si you enjoy it because we enjoy wision's, not meantfor enjoyment. You know what I said. I hate you this. He must have been going throughsomething I feel like that happens a lot when my coco go to something,that's how we got that bushe ending for ginning stalking, because the artistwas just like yeah. I move this like these. These editors, a take it Boike,take this and do and something with Banana Fish Banana fish is a thing isbecause the Mangachar was going through it in real life. I haven't read the butI heard its pain. I don't want to stop the the same thing as well. He is, isnot a present experience, but it's a super piece of fiction. I was Iwhenever, when I wenever revisit, but I'm glad I watch because it's like inmy top ten, but it's nothing like I've, had nothing positive about ten on afish. It's just been like yeah, it's yeah, it's pain, it's painin the way it doesn't feel like. Well, listen me personally, not for the sakeof it. Like I don't know. If you guys, this is like not even talking aboutManga now, but don't know if you guys had of a novel cord a little life. No, but basically it's just like a verylike the whole from beginning to end battered is just a a book about onemind's like trauma from childhood. To like the Din he die is literally and itwas a bit like what is the point of this like just so you just suffering asuffering sick, but not a fish. It's kind like there's a lot of osuffering, but not for the sake of it.

They're still like there still like and yeah, and this like the love storyis not conventional. It's like it's almost. I don't know how to explain.You just have to need it. You just have to watch. It is on my list as well orlike, but there's very much pain. I can go through yeah when a something elsethat you're watching like this is like not even to the same extent. But whenMarie Ford was Marine Morin Ford was marine fording I had to start. Istarted the office just to have something in Batiste wise. I would beable to get through this, like I e to know that I finished what I thisepisode after I gets fisted. I can go watch Michel, Scott Togetha, how Ibalanced it. I close crunchy roll and I open Netflix, and that's how I did itso yeah you stop in on a fish had like a comfort show going at the same time.That would be my. I think I've only got three episodesleft of Merion Fordin and your o yeah after well. You should definitely stop.We started to talking you no yeah. I think I thought I was going to wait.Til I caught up with a finished chain to man, but I might just start itanyway. No please! Please do then o o yeah finish chains on my oafish, so I'mlike over two fads at the way, Don with it it's Nitouche in it yeah, so er I'llfinish it this week. We I on an containers, Short read. Ithink if it was long because there's so much that goes on so as o like it couldeasily be stretched out to a hundred and fifty jactos. If, if a wood youwant or really wanted to, but not like after he won an award recently, he saidthat he can't wait to star part to so he's. Gonna liealone startcoming out. Oh really, it's no on end discord. Yeah is see back actually often on a chain. Soman, I'm Goin, real, look back and then start takin good and her wholy. I've been reading change, O manand having a blast I did. I knew I was going to enjoy it, but not this much. Ireally enjoying it. People are cunning at like a vivus man.Go I'm not getting that. I don't know. Obviously there's elements to it a bit,I don't say slap sticky, but like more in me, the enemis they just kind ofit's a bit like absurd. This absurd is in like the humor right. I guess that'swhat people are calling the vibes aspect of it, but the actual like plotand at the character, motivations and was actually going on it. It's it'sserious like a yeah and like obviously figure rates art is amazing. I reallylike the way he does. The FANALI as well like there's like whole wholepages where this like no dialogue, and you can still see like it's the way itssequent. You can still very clearly see like this is what I want to like tellyou is happening. It's really good, its fantastic and yeah. I can't reallycompare it to anything else. I've read this will be cool and I had like a bitof a movement where I said that I was gonna. I was going to pick up anyNUTIN because they all run on for like a million chapters. I don't have time.There's save things in my back Clod when to go back to you, but every nowand again is like a break out like tins on round it just judgin there. So yeahI mean enjoying it. I've also been. We actually did that's the NYINGMA actually, butI've been watching a few seasonal anime as well, which just I was going to doeither, but then blue period, it's an the seens. I mean eaight. I waslike this is the best story you got going to love it then, when it gotcloser to the actual. Like episode Premier de I'm, like Oh gosh, we fromCastin too much and you ll hate it, but then I'm say every day: That's not thecase, so be go on. Watch it. We did the thing I literally I watched the firstepisode of my was Biklemen, because I saw an obviously from the first chapterI was like this is this? Is it because, like this is one of my favorites now Ididn't even get that far, but yeah really good Manga and I kind of likeaccidentally did this thing on in this in the discord on Mondays or we justwatching sis of life about me. So last week I started with be period, and thenwe watched my sampire annoying, which is another like amazing, amazing, feelgood, and I may was' expecting much from it was actually really real cuteand really like funny in sweet and then next week we're being to watch weperiod and my sin fies annoying, and then I would to quote to the mix forthe minute of time an watch with to court again and then yeah. Well, soI've been aching. Think that's it to be funny to read more slice of life andChide Becausei. I used to read a lot of...

...them when I was younger and then Idiscovered a shower and I've been just my like it just decline. The amount of likefive life in show do read, and then I became toxic to to watch. So I need to like get backinto that. So I want to do what many did and just like, bought random books,see how it goes. I can give you recommendations as well,like I always forget, because of how much like I guess in like the fond andshowing and obviously that the mis popular like genre, but actually I gotinto Manda through fruits basket a theseius basket. If you go one hundred percent you ondecent and ever got for that peach girl, you know so that's how that was whyintaducin Anima, so I think I've kind of speadily kept to like in thebackground as I'm watching the show and stuff it's actually, as I going older,become more resistant to shonin stuff, because in my in my lute spread, I'mlike oh I've, seen one I've seen them more at viously you get yeah like andchains on mine like okay, no, no, I but yeah I mean even to Jook like the cough.What the tripes trump is still the same way you got, you got t e t e himboldtknow the loud mouth like make. Im on. Go like you know, kayaking me in everyshow new. You know the teacher that's like pradesfrom, but also like you know, like a days a cool like the cost. He stude. Iguess it's. No such thing as like an original idea depends on what you dowith it. So I guess tracas like yeah. This is like a shorn and like truths,but I'm going to do something different with it and I'm going to it good kindof thing. So that's all and like show as a wife of tropes anyway, but it'slike yeah, it's okay, I must go watch it. meatly playing splittin haven't really beenpaying anything else, but November eleventh is Ben Si Moniton say five iscoming out, so that's all I'm going to be playing until I be there one hundredpercent all the roots. So no I look for me. He really do that a tin tat, if Ishould make on a T. Yes, I will okay. If I open my teds right now, you seehow many I've clocked two hundred and fifteen hours as should be gone, testyfour, because I did the neutral route, which was like eighty hours. I did thechaos roup and I'm in an Lauro. I do all the roots and I play lionly game.You can go be the only series. Probably I mean we aceattorney, but does that count? Is Division, novel, a Crosier in his that but yeah, but yeah there's only like the three games thatI've been here in to shout for like years. Even before I follow two or two,it was like. What's the love for you, my God, there was another one that Camembertlike zero. Some round go. You know this and it has what ithas had, but the bird or the Fox or some like, like I can the Tzeonene game.If do we had an f again you, the people that have forgotten, because I havebeen talking about it, the a Shi about a n'estoit he's. Like I broke my sevenyears street last year, I didn't see about ever e three cojus. Comingliterally it's only V, zero, Shimon to an say. A Tony is Zaldu and I guess persona as well. I doreally have time for the Games like that fire emblem it. Oh yes, we teen tees coming on nextyear is also I'M gonna be in die. Thirty, three and those are like sixgames, while you're like brand animal coaching because they gave us all theupdates were back at or going back into the basement or animal crossing inNovember as well, but I associate these games with you like. Thank you. That's what everyone's it up to. Let usthem as well Isantees thought you have been up to as well and your thoughtsand like actually now I was going to sy your thoughts on Lake. Should you art,but it's for me. Please rely do that, so the actual main topic out theepisode is going to be now in tune the speaking season so that we're going tobe talking about ginger to Ak the baste of horror ansina anyway, but before weget into that, we have a few new topics to get into. I saw some news about FIFA and all thatstuff, but, like I don't know anything about football like spot people, Ithink I t the worst gaming see of Tad I'm. No, it's just it's just horribleyou're. The only person I've ever heard say that I mean, if you have opinionson it, we can ever right. Let me find a news: artcle O it's it's horrible. Ilit literally people play it, but...

...that's because it just like a options,not many football games that you can play with other people. We happen toPrater, you just died out really now now it'sbecome a digital, only game, so you calling by digitally no you get it forfree digitally, but you have to buy like the Adon is wont to play like todifferent modes, and it's like it just made it worse. But now that fever havedecided to to not allow ea to be the only company.Sacan react. The heading for the article so guys Feta is ending its longstanding. Exclusive partnership with EA Sports statement reads: Bever isbullish and excited about the future and gaming and e sports for football,and it is clear that this needs to be a space that is occupied ben more thanone part of controlling all rights. So there so people or the game be much asat the Minoan Football Games. Wawel so so wide so that I literally able togive us the same game year of the year of the year of the young. I I veryminor improvements and people still buy it because we don't have any of options.So that's what dasis the worst franchise ever I do. I don't thinkthere's any other game or any of the series. That literally gives the samegame over and over again, and I think, like the fevair ion for the switch hascome under fire recently saying that it's literally the exact same game asthe one two years ago. They just update the player, yeah yeah, something on theline. It came on the five reason for it, but if e F in general, the game is justhorrible, so this will low of our other gaming developers to develop herown game to perhaps make them a bit more different or better than I you forgames to be getting or maybe fever games to. Finally, stop putting somemoney into improve the mechanics and the over enjoyment of the game, ratherthan using it as a catch girl and just tea still money for teenagers, prettymuch yeah t from children so yeah. I think, if you've ever listened to anyother episodes of for as this were you shouldn't be surprised by our feelingstowards EA as a company but yeah. So that's the feides in sad news. The Toy animation officialcount tweeted on Rida on Wednesday. You rest in peace. Chris airs amagnificent voice actor. He bought many wonderful characters to life, includingfreezer. You will be always remembered. Thank you for everything, so I think Ithink the English dob of Dagon Buzzy is the one that I have the fun memoriesfor, like even as an adult and drug a Bolsaar came up when everyone wasreally excited for it. I tried to watching the sabed for, like the sincause like, I usually watch some and then ended I'll go back to the DUBanyway. It's I think, like is just really read, done, that even withoutthe Ostara bubbles on is really well yeah and I think freezers voice actingas well, it's especially like iconic. So I think this is age loss for theEnglish was acting community, I'm not sure how he passed away. I looked atthe picture. He didn't look that he looked quite young, good and sick, so he had a lot of issues with COPDeving undergoing a double long transport in to Tosa and nineteen, soyeah. He is really seriously sick. Yeah, it's a great loss. I think I don't know if anyone else, I don'tknow if you heard the news already ten yeah, I did yease rest in peace to crisas the big glass every time a Fingeh, obviously heated freezer, and I only athink of the one clip. That's that that you monkeys Brothah, but, like Imean if you want to look at silver linings, is not suffering any more. Iguess in it was real, but yeah he lost with community and then one last piece of views. This is treated by Nebelin, a CD project red and that setSubara twenty seven seven. The next ten up grade is clamming quarter, one twothousand a D, twenty two, which is three a big comin quarter, two O ton,twenty two so like. I know we don't care about SAMA page anymore, but Imight I mean I did understood it from my por, because I was a hundred fitgame under Di litem. I don't know if I down Wi it again, but I was still kindof curious. I think I will watch other people play it and stream it probablyif they get back into it next year, to our curiosity sake, to see how muchit's improved but yeah, I don't know anyone elsesuspose on that everything I know about. Subeunt hasbeen from other people like. I actually don't know anything about this gamelike I don't I don't know like I've, never seen any to game play of anythinglike Relyin. I've, never I've, just never I've just never engaged in O thisgame. Before, like all I all my...

...knowledge of Summer Fund is negativebecause whatever people have said so I want to see you like from somethingpositive about it. I said: Can you guys give me like something positive aboutthis game? Like I don't know because everyone was saying, Atopa was like shewent so long, this game, Blah Blah Blah, was so many bugs like yeah, okay, butyou are still buying it yeah. So I guess I yeah and that's my feelingplaying it, which I don't think is you need to, or is the fact that whenyou're, like exploring the city and you're playing the game when it's notbreaking on crashing on you and stuff, like that, you realize how much how much Labor has gone into this game.I mean game video games in this Danae or or is highly highly labor intensiveanyway, but especially with a game like this. It's just so like massive andit's got such a great Canon like y only runs was din, Johnny Silvera and allthese other like characters and just like the world boarding in the game aswell. It's like if this was like a finished game. Theygive them time to like make it polished and everything would have been gaming.The year like, hangs down like it had so much potential. I think playing itand seeing how it's just like the whole, like release, kind of thing, justcrashed and burned, make you like upset and like angry on behalf like the devsthat worked on it, the talent that worked on it and isbecause really the only reason why it was a complete crack. It was a completelike dumpster files, because the stake holders wanted the game to come out.Now they really Delo the game enough times they do think about their money.They would do in it do want to lose any more money. Basically, you doing a riskit that the game has come out now, because we really delete it like threetimes and obviously that that meant that we got the unfinished game. But doyou think it was the error on the Devi behalf? What do you think they werepressure into like they were on crunch as well like, and even with that? It'sjust like it came out. It wasn't ready to come out, it wasn't the dead forit's. The luck of most things is the the guys and sis of the top, theRussian thing yeah they had the final say, obviously eolie on the ground. So but yeah I mean the game as rash,because I stay cos the thing about the money, but when it came out and wasunfinished and the generalists and the Gamers were like what the Hell is, this listen the money anyway because that torefund everyone, so yeah, it's just from every angle, yourprotos just the mess, but the game itself you play it. I enjoy playing it.When I played it was I it was fun, it just wasn't finished and it was baggede with Yo buggy that he had them crashing seeming e relaced to keepplaying in kids. I lost on my progress, so they actually get yeah but yeah.It's just a shame, but I'm looking forward to seeing, like you said, morepositive stuff come out next year. More people play it, but I don't know ifobably done with it again. I've got my aspatines, for I don't think I can downthe cyclop again but yeah an about you. Many. I didn't think you played it more Tokayi. Think like before I cameout like I was only interested because his much hip behind Tenet, but at themoment I saw, I think, was prime the first person to playing how buggy itwas is like you, I'm never getting this game ever so now we're getting into the maintopic of discussion, and that is the work of Gingo master horror. So I'msure he needs no introduction, but just to like do the whole scene. Transitioninto the main topic, so he's missed, he's a horror and Garce. That's whathis name for and his Misna works include Tome or is it to me Tommy, tin,Tommy you coming sees the rest of the to expect. I'm casual man isn't readyone of his wax, so so is mital at ance. For me, it's to use conocido girl whodrives for stricken admirers to madness, USIMARE, a free volume series about atown obsessed or spirals and or two volume story where fish and controlledby a string of senti bacteria, cord, the death stench. So I'm sure, as wediscussed to discussion or guide itself for just to kick it off. I want to askeveryone: what was the introduction to Jinja? So if I start my first abductionto Jungit was is marquis. I read it in then, and sixteen two thousand andsixteen yes join the study at work, and it's been on my list for ages and I'llwant to just plan to just read the first few chapters before like goinghome and going on but ended up. We did the whole thing: Drimys ift yeah, so wedo great story. We need suck you in and it's really unnerving. I guess I'd haveto read more ginger e to to speak more clearly about it, but I kind of seemedto be the more kind of like jump scare kind of like horror Magarko, butinstead it's kind of that kind of hard. I get some of your skin and makes youreally uncomfortable, at least that's what I got from museum market like Iwas itching for like the rest of the weekend. I Denish reading it, but yeahthat was my intreduction to Aneta and...

...the attorneys probably read the mostatone has are the most of everyone in this card. So what was your firstdigito Manga? Oh, my first Gindu mange was like ashort story, so it was called the smoking club and I, as the bout of likethe about a bunch of teams that, like basically gathered after school andjust decided to smoke it just bonded from smoking and then one day one ofthem says like. Oh, I discovered this tobacco patch behind like this housefor at the term. So then they all start think. Oh, we got free tobacco, not knowing that there's a body hiddenunder this tobacco patch, so they've been smoking. The the spirit or theashes of someone who lived in her house previously and then their spirit, sortof like intertwined with the tobacco and like became like part of the sputs,and I like saw this like just randomly like random or onGoogle images. I was looking for something I was like. What is this andI searched for ages? I get, I don't know like everyone's going for this one.Like you just seen like one times, you have no context like and you justsearch for it like and eventually you get somewhere and I was like who is whois Gingoo like who is this who's the dude? So then, after reading thesleeping club, I just wanted a binge to start reading. All of his stuff Ididn't read, it was a marquis to like very very like, like I, I wasn'tactually that interested is a market at first I was like spirals is not scarylike. Why would I want to read this Dido? Did you know exactly yeah? I readit like yeah, I read, it is a macky. I read like a lot of hisshort stories beforehand and then eventually with. Like all of me,readers on my key because everyone seemed to be obsessed with, is a lackeyand they were I've. Some people said this is his best work where they fairdebatable. So so I decided to read it and it wasgreat, like I found it really incredible how he turned something asas simple as spiral into something so uncertain, because I've never seensomeone do someone like this like spirals. No, what you don't think whatspirals on can look at it and think. Oh, this is creepy, but when it becomescombined into like one- and very I mean everything you see as spirals in acertain setting, it becomes yes, it becomes Ye said on certain you're justlike why. Why is this happening like this? Is it just makes your skinful andthrough there I read on Tommy, and then I read gyro and it's a general I think aredoing with the withe fish yeah gyo yeah. I thank you. I do if its penance you,Oh God, this is yeah yeah. I read you so and yeah from there just read littlelittle bits and bobs from his more short stories than I was she cheese dieof curses. She he's Darry off the lights, you've my things yeah, that's,basically how I got into gingers from from one pan like one pan on Googleimages yeah. I can ask your question in twenty. Sowith the first man gothered was the smoking club pretty much the wholemange is somebody got put in this split and everybody smoked him basically yeah wocation that a momentfrom the moment he said tobacco ever even to as someone that I a pretty bad,I did want a them, and the thing is that is a panel where, like all of them,are rolling their cigarettes and they sit in like a circle and like they'resmoking and the smoke is like in the in the shape of the spirit of the disease.As so now you it yeah pool yeah. That's you so you're like a a prolific cittareader. Many I know you mentioned. That smashed was your introduction to Jiute,and so the only that you've read do you think you were you open to read intantobefore it was nominated as the Mago Club pick, or were you just kind oflike or maybe I'll get round to it like? How bothered are you about? No, I don'twant to recommend for is because I already bought smashed and he's a markelike by smashed an he's mark his. I guess this Matin of us is just because of how how do he read. He is so, and I'vehaven't really read horror man go before and if, if, if we telling me islike the God fover fore angers like...

...actually, I should a should be readinga stuff so yeah, so I literally Po it to readit just to I guess, to see what the HAP is aboutand- and I don't think as much as a Leck by a physical man go. I thinkthat, specifically for that Cora or things that Amanda are specificallylike mostly about the art work I feel like. I need to have the physical copyto enjoy it as much as oppositly could yeah. That's essentially, that's why Ibought Speceis Monti, guess that leads us into the next part,which I guess I just would be more for Tony and I, what is your favoriteGenteeman Gar? That you've read is your favor of his work, then like a than a physical book, Ok,conveniens book or like any shot any of this any of them any of his works. Itcould be the short stories or a complete like long run, longer runningseries, or I could be an apology for a put like a okay. My favorite work from ginjeet is the grown in drain.I don't know if you guys have I or heard of this, but I think I've had abit yeah it's about ago, who's like she'slike a ready, beautiful going. She goes to high school and she walks over hersister. Every day her mom suffers from like some sort of like OCD or something because the housemust always be perfect, like perfectly clean, like in my shall, every timethey come home and every day this boy who goes to the N C school, who is I'm going to say, he's gross like he'sabsolutely discussed a way gundert like draws him just makes him look regorous,like he's really greasy every time you talk to her, like Greece comes off hisfingers to her and she's. Like don't touch me yeah, the mom makes her and her sistershower every day as soon as they come home and then the sisters are talkingabout this boy. Who's been following the MC, so this boy eventually findstheir house and turns up and in the mom, seeing how like grote look she's likestay away from my house like you've got. She goes to like a kind of attack.She's like you, can't don't touch my gate, nothing. So eventually the boykeeps waiting for the MC and then she's like. I can't be near you like, don'tcome near me. You really freak me out, and then they keep hearing something inthe pipes so every day that the Gol rejects the guys she they're, like theykeep hearing things in the part of the popes of block they keep calling likepeople in and they can't figure out what some of the fights and it turns upthat the boy has been living in the pot waiting for this girl to shower all thetime. So it raises the question of why. How is if you want to see the pictureit raised the question of how this boy go into the pipes like, but at the same time this might just beme, but also explain why he looked so grimy all the time so and so weird. How do you come upwith it's real? It's really weird, like kind of read it you're, just like.What's got what's in the mind like a I o Tunte wasn't a Mo this miho. Think ofhow do we think of these kind of things, but I think that's my say. I think Idon't know why that particular story stuck in my mind for so long and whenpeople mentioned what gendered to me, that's the first story that pops up-and I can't I can't I couldn't tell you one. I couldn't tell you why, but Ifeel like that is my favorite story. I've read alot of them that I would put in my top fire, but the fact that that's thefirst one that I think of every time I hear like this guy's name, I thinkthat's it you're, my favorite yeah O Weltin. I think I think I put Zimatiup for that, but maybe I guess it's been long enough now. Maybe I need toreally it and see if the. If I still feel the same, I did I do rememberenjoying these the market. I I said I read it all wonder when a line plantjust started just so, I need to come back to end up binging the whole thing. By terms of short stories I mean I haveshiver, but I didn't finish. We didn't all theshort stories, but from smash that we read, I did like the story about. Iforgot the name of it, but the one about how people who have like on is afond Togo, so at the one about the people had that, like unfinishedbusiness attached to like setting like people locations and they just becomelike statues, basically and then becoming like apathetic and stuff andreally to me, that's like horror things like that. That's that it was me likehorrifying and like as like the ending. As soon as you meet the I guess, the Dutaraist of the story,you kind of knew where it's going, we...

...ben type of confirmed at the end youjust kind of like yeah, it's faky yeah, but yeah. So I like that story. I thinkstories like that. I prefer from Jungit I love what he doesis kind of like, like a Dectara like way. Har Kind of stuff which I findmore like uncomfortable, but I've been like not a good way like is bound, wasuncomfortable in a good way like a. This is a story that we kiss me a and Ilike the story telling her, but don't like body Horosho ly, fuck with it, andI feel like to Detis really good at that. So, like yeah in the cover ofShiver, I don't have anyone seen Shivar an sure anyone. I don't know if you tiquet, for both ofyou guys like I like that's disgusting and the Special Yes as soon as thecontest page, I knew that that story was coming. I close this book and Ihave been back sae. I bought this last Kalora and ever been back itsdisgusting Lak. I can't do that shit, but like stuff stories like earth bandthat Jundt rights really good and like from what I've heard about hell star Remeni. I think I really. Ithink I really enjoy that as well. So I'm going to read that one next so yeah I've got a question for both ofyou like, because you both read the whole Manga Right, yeah smashed. I gota fine, so the story about the go drinking Greece to the girl who livedthat he's like far more like Rane restaurant. He wasconstantly greasy. I think what did you think of that hat lost? Those are the last story I can remember it was I get that far,but I heard you not talking about the grease story and I was like you was that in was that in match. I don'tthink so. I don't remember, agree story OCAS, I read it online and it was. Itwas either think it just smashed because I looking at the name of thestory is there's. Mr, is you have a haunted house such isbeloved per in Mirror Valley? I don't want to be a ghost library, vision,splendid shy, their song and then splashed, Oh okay, cool, Oh shit, m, sorry excusemy friend. Maybe they just threw that story in, but I habit might have been.It might have been a Shiva. I had this as all the disgusting stories in it oeasy one. I I I can't remember the name, but it is a it's called Grease is sinceSiva is that was called. I breesen ShebaOyah e a far because I was like you yeah. I thought I you know one inparticular. That is like one of the worst stories I've ever read in it actually gets worse. I like what was the meaning of this in tolet's disgust it be. I will read it on an empty stomach. Like I genuinely thou, like a lot oflike work that I redefined like. I genuinely believe that is one of theworst. I can believe it so is tresset love. It incinerate this and I was like thisdude twisted like I O it. I will read it now, because I skipped a whole lotof shiver because it's like there's a lot of things are just like those thatholes and shit of it, but I think I will read it a fifty. What that's aboutI sort o title. I was like no because I know to do what he does, but I will. Iwill read it at a good question. What is about to you e to work that actuallyintertinge, like you, find it scary or uncomfortable like what is a bit? Themix is Cerocomae for you. Oh that's a good question, h that that is it like that, like another extensionlike, are you like a horror fan and other genres, and it's like so ofcourse you like gravitate towards work by ginger you to order that is it likean exception? I wouldn't because I'm just a horror find ingeneral, like every like most of my waking is like I'm consuming some wholehorror media, oh like yeah, her media. So when I felt like I tunes go by the wayhe s, I want to steadieth majority of my working hous o s. i going hard...

...on everything. If you had a black top, it would havebeen a rap an edit just a single light on and like a black back like Orris, just like my favorite genre, like I just Ijust I'm just obsessed with it. Basically, but I feel like I have sucha strong connection with Gindt is because he was the first like horror Manita. Idiscovered like I for someone that, like consumed as much for n like mediaas I do in Ivers my mind to read, Horomona, and I don't know why I didn'tso. I think when I discovered that first plan or the smoking club onGoogle images it just sort of made me it just opened a world to me of horrormango that I didn't even know like existed. So the I feel, like the reason. What yeahI have such a strong connect to him, because Juniata like his work, open myeyes to other things as well and plus I like how all of his work has like anelement like all of its characters, have a element of no I'm praising thatwrong. All of these MC have an element of like innocence where his workremains completely spooky like, for instance, if you read like theintersection pre boy, the main character of that is, as a young girlstanding on the corner waiting for someone to tell her future yet to tellher future. But the monster in it is like complete acomplete contrast to it. The MC and I feel like I like t the culties like drawing how like that contrast with themonsters that come later, I don't know if this is making any sense, but it'smaking sense m yeah but yeah. Basically, I feel like that'swhy I like Dunge, because the dos just you just twist it like there's nothere's no end to like hit imagination, and I really appreciate that so yeah yeah. I feel like reading his shortstories. I always kind of think in the back of my mind as I'm reading it like, how did he not run out of ideas likewes yeah got his ideas from, and I guess it kind of liked back so, likethe whole thing with losing marking the spirals, it's like, I think, that'spart of what makes him so popular. He takes a Rey mundane things exact, it's a whole like universes andwar. yeates things could be absolutely terrifying, which I gaitis you can makemundane things. Terrifying you'll never run out of ideas, so yeah yeah, so yeah.I think that's that's what that I think to me anyway. That's probably, why he'sso popular? I can't really think off the top of my head or any other likeprolific, horror and Garces, like I think, he's the only he's don't on that post to mind. Butagain, I'm not really someone who has horror as a favorite, likeobviously I'm open to it, there's something I seek out. So I don't knowyou may turn you be better at turn out. Basically, you said that you didn'treally consider reading horror Manga until you found that panel accident onwar images, but yes discovering Njo, have you found any other Horomona kersand have they like matched up to the quality, I guess of ETA, or do youstill think he's like the standard, but the industry he's the thing right andthis might be a bit controversial. I don't know if I, but I feel, like I've read a lot like I've read a lot oflike horror, Manza. I don't remember any of the the offersnames. Don't remember the tiles, because you know you're like readingsome thing. It's like. Oh this is you read this like just be recommended foryou. Just click on it just can keep I reading them, but I feel like so Diota is not the scariest one ever,but I thout he's one of the most popular medicas horror olies out there,and there was a lot. I saw that in a lot of,like other works, that a way scarier than his, but at the same time I feel like Gindtis a great. What's the word he's a great get on gateway for peoplewho want to discover like mango horror, because his work is easy to read likeit's Buky, it's scary and it opens tore for other people that be like or I'veread this. I want to read something similar and then they fold on notrubber hole of trying to find more horror that might be like Tindato, andthen they discover what kind of horror Manga Day like from there on. So, ifyou like things a bit like a bit more Frele or like a bit more spooky a bitmore psychological like these are the...

...hope is er all the things, becauseingine Duta story a sort of range of things. It's not just like spooky. Somethings that uncertainly in some things a more a file, some things like more terrifying. You know, there's justthere's not just one time in his work, so I feel like, while reading his work,you can discover what like kind of Dunbar you like from his work, eventhough the whole base is horror at the end of the day and yeah, I feel like he's a good gatewayinto discovering what kind of horror you like, because if you read somethingat the smoking club, which is not necessarily scary but a bit morechilling, you might want to read something else of a bit more chillingin the horror, sorry horry jam or Le Sens Yeah Yeah.But because you not you not looking off like what you talking about anattention because I you said like compared to you with any raid, so I youlike minds any red smashed, but it's like how many stories I I smash to likea dozen go to Settin yeah you I still like enough of tragicas work again, Icould feel for it. So I think, because, even though I've known of himfor one and I've read crack that across his like it's a discoli wo be obothlike, I can see like how the a a good fate way to the other Harman Coco, butyeah so yeah. That will make sense unless, but some of you work with moregory. If you the first one of his work, you might want to look for somethingthat's similar to that. Tory war, yeah it's war and then you discovered that'sthe kind of forrow you like yeah. You know yeah like now. I know that okay, Ireally enjoyed USIMARE. I liked earth bound. So No, I liked, what's the onewith like this, the haunted vinal it at the dead artists, who's like the listento divine and then they become possessed and describing it awfully.But it's worth the first story in Shivar at it port. Also, there's one symbol inus: Court used record. Yet this one similar smash. I prefer the one inshiver use record. It's like a haunted, vinyl lit. If you listen to. If you listen tothe record, you become possessed. Basically, it sounds really simplistic,but the like turns out it's like more like it's like more is more laid thanthat. If I read that, like I don't remember what else about like a itswork like I read like years ago, yeah so and when you go through so manystories, you're Aboud to forget a whole wanted that I forgot it so many, but Iremember those ones because I know those are the ones that I liked themost. I think when Jigit writes about things that are like less less body, horror, less Gore less likegross and squick like we use them more, but like more mystery, I guess whenit's more, when he uses more, like element mystery like what that is goingon this, the tors enjoy the miss. So like that. No I think it was Jerry whosaid that Oh yeah, you will enjoy a house star. I I nor you should readthat next and that's got the SCIFI element as well yeah and I be reallyinterested to see how mangagayoma cheats the SCIFI story. So I know thatthere's the kind of works I'd be joined to. I have the interesting increase,but I'm curious. I give a shit the one that's on thecover of Shiver with the hole in the face and not reading it doing the snakeTing I'm not reading it, but I will be all star Romina. I read Amiga, you knowI'll check out, go but yeah so yeah. I think that's a good thing. What, eventhough he is like this horror, this like different kinds of like Zenaswithin his work, so you can kind of like pick and choose what I guess, likeyou said, makes it a good get way to Hamando because they, based on theperson, is coming to you this. If you know enough of their taste for otherthan Gad, you can say: Oh Yeah, you can start with this one or this one o theymight not like his in my Kyin my life. This oneexacteth, I know, is a smash. I don't know if he does this, this ave otherbooks that have a lot short stories. That there's like a particular theme.Speciosa stories to me for like he, was trying to convey the message of orconvey evthing of, having regret it regards the closure, because I feellike a lot of the stories for, like those close that was needed for thestory to end all those o the stuff that people regret it from the past thatthey will never they weren't able to completely get get over, and that'sessentially what what I fought, what the back bone of the specially his was so Donoho have hadsimilar feelings with other short stories that is put out that there's aparticular theme within that book. To be honest, I couldn't even tell youlike a Imia. I think the thing about you youlike during the lives wetting like closure and stuff is good. I think thatkind of hints to like, I guess the kind...

...of taste of man and I would haveclausen. I guess we're not that you, the horror fan, so you know the most ofour like what different like horror, like story, tellers even outside ofManga, like usually dude, so I guess for we jus like many, and I wouldbasically the kind of cogito stories would be joined to with harking back towhat we're going to in other the macangor. So we like, like the wholelike gritty, Sanin and like kind of like mysteries slice of life and orwhatever so yeah, it all make sense, but yeah a lot ofeaters works, in my opinion, also quite vibes, quite vibes, so yea, I kind of just leave you kind ofread them. I just leave just being like. I just leave it way, just lit therelike, because, like I've read through two apology works now and I thinkthere's a lot of them. I was like yeah we didn't not to get, but in the sun.That, like me, stick with me yeah. I guess, for this last part I think,would be good to talk about a series or a series of works that we'veor read, which is smashed, which we read for the Manga Club October, so yeah thought I think we had.Some spicy takes a discussion from I up. I justwant to read. I was just going to repeat mine, but just going to be likeI posed a question of whether gindt really is that great of a story tellerin regards to horror mango or is it just the fact that he doesn't have muchcompetition in regitur? Does he not have muchcompetition because he's that great o a story, teller or is it just becausethere's not that many gone, that many other there are enough works in Horman,go find one to his a threat and that's. Why he's let the standard and actuallyhe's? Okay, he's not that Great Oki, don't know you know what the lake, if Iwouldn't say like I would a say that Juneo doesn't haveany competition, because there's tons and tons of like horror of offers out then. However, I do feellike the exposure of Tommy aided his career,a lot, because people were just drawn to Tommy forsome reason and a hemotions. She was so beautiful and to the way that the Internet just kind of,took her and ran and she came like she was just everywhere. Like you know, Imean, like I m the way, the way being like not even mean culture, just likeI'm trying not to like, say a certain I'm trying not to like a group ofpeople that took Tommy and ran what are the good people? What are the group of people like not tying but like, like certain somepeople like really was drawn to Tommy like the way the way the like Mc weredrawn to Tommy like in in the books, and you know there was like my actions. Youknow I mean there was like but yeah he a live action like film of Tommy, and you know so I do feel like. I do feel like the way. Okay, you know what money to he it. The first image is that sort ofof that mango was on Pinterest on you. How like pretty like illustrations ofpretty anime gals that people just like it, they remove the water mark of theartist and just get to recycle the eat. That's how I want to me yeah that onetattoo, you that's a that's, what that's what that's what Tommy wasgiving, but I guess, if I actually like read the mango, is probably got moredeck to it than a, but I guess just on a survey surface level. That's whatmade it so popular and I guess, by extension, like he said for like yeah. I guess, if you want tocome back to your point, we could go at, but I guess I was trying to get. I waslike yeah yeah, like I said. I do feel like Ye,like I said before, like I do feel like he has competition out there, becausethere's a lot of like horror artis out there, but certain exposures from exposures from certain stories with the help of the Internetlike Usama Tommy, can remember the name, but the war itthe one with everyone had their own hole in the rocks. Is that Hell Star? I I'm a Ayes that one year for Ye, thencomplete that my mind. These kind of...

...things chance to the Internet made himlike boosted his popularity. So when you think of like Horomona, youautomatically think of Gringita, which kind of slightly pushing away othermagicos o yeah, because his work just became really popular o to the Internet, so yeah yeah, and before we move on from fromyou. What is your fine rating for smashed? As the apology must, I would give it a solid sevenpoint ten and then to so an o what seven point or seven Osanna. Ihear you know what, like I said before, to defend myself. I DID NOT PICK Smashfor Monaco that Don M. I said we should have fit fragments ofhorror and I want air time so I don't know to remember saying that I don't remember you saying that I did so because match was a it was an e waslike money was like Les Wet, as everyone was like we're. Reading SmashKill Me. I just suggested it because I added and I do want to buy up a book. No one's forcing you to buy a man go bythe way, a just to let you know you have to buy every Bangour, you couloisphysical. You can just read it to the APP. I count it up. I watch eachindividual mango cost now a day it not still as funny in this London t, N N, I open my eyesand I can see where the money went you find take away or get in to the hitherand yon or Uba. So on the man I go anyway. So I need to point out when I said acertain like group of people. I didn't mean that in the Derober we hesitate tosay it, because I was trying to think of adifferent way to say it, but, like I, I that was me, like these basementdwellers online. To now what you Ben, I just meant, likeego of Os. Much trying you just say it isthat like is that not it is not the DEA protected class. Now what can you just say Egos, but I didn't want to make it seem like.I hope this gets cut anyway. Like I do an in it. Did you see the spewrion usedthe twine with a roll if Heman they're not puting it e. It seem like a Shin egsiting that,like egos to Tommy and Ramie ye happens on line with animal girls in it theyfeel cut right Dora. They get attached all of the bodies and the condom the amount of money that wants a oartist, the one, the one, a artist that drew that one Tommy Tattoo one picture that artist of coming thateveryone got Tattoo Yeawr yeah the amount of money they should have beenaround wowow somebody else's Ip, a like a thing. It was so well like drawn thatpeople were confusing it for legit like so when people are just like. Oh it'star to people like that's, not official art, that's and then they were linkingthe artists who do this like years and years ago, O Gamp, and they must beaware because people have been talking about is one drawing for years so and yeah. They should spend run their moneytime ago, but the Internet just remove watermark, andjust and that's it many was your final verdict on smashedo fix out. Ten, it isn't bad, it was it was. It was a good read, wasn't nothingto sing of it. There's a few stories that reelected, for example, I've found the word about the cat was a bit funny which, on a like there's like two otherstories that I actually really enjoyed to none of the stories, W T were bad.They just let yeah but its yeah. I think outside of Earth Bank. I, likethe one with the haunted house as well O. Yes, that was so good yeah I feellike especially the art was amazing. I think it just goes back to what man youwere saying that story, particularly...

...maybe for like. If I was reading thisonline, I wouldn't have slept the same. Seeing that art on the pages like thisjust the whole page spread. I'm like the things is that the name of the thing, the boy eating the human in chains, yeae Se, it just seems the whole like whole page, spread that that art workas just like it really shows you like this, is what you by physical man gobecause you won't hit the thing for or scrawling on, land like it was reallywell drawn that Chinese. Like it's clean, you can see what the detail areally good, like, I think, like the kind of like forget some one. Whenreading it do you teach us an amazing artist, like he ere, really incredibleartist, and I think that's what I enjoyed most about some of the storiesthat I find a weaker. The art was still really good. I like the one about the the the flashflood with the drone spirits yeah. I enjoyed that one as well lend yeah. SoI think if Gendt wasn't such an amazing artist, smatter upon me like a strongfive Ame, but I guess that's suspen five celebrating for me because it wasso enjoyable so pleasant reads, even when I felt like the stories wereweaker, but I did have like some stories in particular, as the numberstory that I really really enjoyed was the one with the guy that, with thewoman that eats golf, did you read the wonded? I think I got that. Okay. That was areally go. Third, you remember it M Toli. It took what he one of theCOMEDIANS. No, not that one, a woman e cosas in t a a guy he's a womanwho was like in the Middle Road with blood in her face, and he rescues herand then eventually become close and then she's like she's, tells in thatyou're guarded by so many angels and spirits and goals, and when he fallsasleep, she eats she eats the his spirits and goals, and then he, the guy,had a wife in cheat one. With this gouter yeah, the wind up O T S E E P in self. What was pregnant sothen the wife and the babies goes flying around. You don't see it, but itgoes either eat them and when afterwards, this is this. Guy Is likeOnda years late months, Lee's on death, bend and she's like Randa Cornerwaiting for him today, so she didn't care her. I outdo this bed licking the lips. Waitwas. It was a really well written story, its more stuff like that, I would havelacked it yeah a lot more yeah, but overall it was over. It was good, it'snot necessarily some. I know I probably will to go back to this, but I'm notput off by his work like I'm looking forward to rein look stuff from himyeah. I just know that this is not on is. This is no is best work yeah. Ithink that makes me more optimistic. The fact that even other dingerein canbe like the slashes okay, but, like he's, got better works. It feel likeokay, I'm not excite to read those works because I still enjoyed smash forwhat it was. I think I just remember another story. I really liked was theguy that killed the siblings, killed their parents, you king their father and put them pack,and he kept he kept coming back all if his apparition et coming back. While hewas on death row until they forgave them, like generally, they gave him andthen he stopped coming back. But by the time that that happened, she alreadylost all the family members. I really like that story as well, which I thinkyeah. So yes, that was a good read but, like I think, wouldn't anything poliment with it again. I might sell it,but, like the gito terms, look really nice like on the shelf depends if I, the ROB Wiles, I'm not going to readthem again and we give them a better home, but I am it does. Reading smasheddoes at me more excited to read and a barful and hoste renine basalrecommended to me based on what I've liked so far so yeah. We guess just to round US up just tostay on the SIMILAE Tony. What wer you? I guess it would be difficult if you dohave a specific like kind of person and like if you don't have the taste so make it easier. What three Ginger EtoWorks? Would you recommend a soon who is completely new to Horomona? Okay, so I would recommend, because now my head is just willing itlike an of his work. I would recommend a a book or should we cheese Directes,because that's amazing Olkin Club, one of my favorites Goin, to be that onesin he talked about it. It's it's my favorite, so yeah she che Ar Your Purses, thesmoking club and...

...the foot on me had a one. They tell youwhat it's about, I'm going to go, read it it's great, so that is it for thisepisode of whose Academia Tiftik, thanks to our special guest pony. You do scholar this episode of been tenminutes long without you. I thank you for coming you very. AH, so I've been tis bejoined by Torney joined by many to many men. What's your out on twitter thatyou changed it so many times. What do you want people to find you? First ofall, yes, yeah to to my ter is core, but you're not be able to spell itcause. I change it around. Okay, I I changed it, so it doesn'tEltham like you, won't find a if you want to stock Tony for more horror,mangare I war at them in the primary treat for this episode, so be lookingfor that the despair in its joining by many and we have been for I academia,Peston. Thank you for joining us. Let us know your thoughts in this episode.At for as I could deem your on twitter, instagram tick talk, youtube everywhereand yeah we'll catch. You next time had breakast and happy Halloween by.

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