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Episode 6 · 2 years ago

Gaming and Anime Live Action Adaptations || Episode 6

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

More often than not, gaming and anime live action adaptations are not great which can disappoint fans when they're watched on the big screens. The 4 Eyes Academia cast discuss some of the best and worst live action films, and explore reasons why the film industry just can't get them right!

This episode's cast: @chrinkster @tudzdotexe @oluwaponz @estrella8_ 

Hello and welcome back to another episode of the four as accading the podcast. Today we're going to be discussing game and anime like action adaptations. I'm your host, toads. I'm Chris Styles here. Pounds is here. Before we get into the main topic, let's quickly cover what everyone's been up to. You and any anime gaming news that is as pizza interest this week. Chris, where you been watching? Playing? We've been doing. been catching up still with Kakegery, almost done now, like an episode left, and in terms of what I'm playing, still playing God as usual, but I'm also I've also started playing sheet fire five again and I'm playing ceibrate, Rome, Zenna blay chronicles definitive addition switch. Yeah, I'm actually playing it this time. So I'm still trying to beat my one piece journey, you know, behind you know, I don't know if you ever get that, that guilt as like a man anger fan or just behind and then everyone else is kind of racing ahead of you. So yeah, that is where I'm still. I think I've been in at this point, the past three weeks. That is my anime us, catching up to all my favor pot and from day about you. I'm ready, sir. been watching much I stored, you know, if I read turned using my weekly one piece ex search of a games. Wise, I've just gotten go to Tashima and I've gotten pay fermrrow O Rega me King. I've played them both a little bit, but I've been still my usual diction. A monster on us. I need to break that bondage at the moment and do it, but eventually I'll put more hours into go to see my favor mail. But then, Oh yeah, there's a don't question as well that do my daily stuff on. Yeah, I've actually taken a bit of a break from animal crossing again. I'm sure when I get back into it I'll be like a black here again. Then still playing the witcher, which a one and it's quite good. I think the first six hours of the game was just pure confusion, I think because it kind of assumes you have some kind of background knowledge going into it. It's set after the novels, I think, and I just sat watching the Netflix series, so I did a bit of an understanding of like the characters, but a lot we're still kind of like a complete mystery. But I'm like several hours in and I think I'm starting to understand things that were going on. But yeah, it's really good, so I'm playing that. I'm also getting back into my one piece journey, because the firmer is really really hitting me every every week and each apter drops and I see everyone lose their mind, is just like I need to experience. is so I member one piece back again. That the goat. Literally I need to experience that. Moving on to any news that's happened recently, I saw something belie, if you guys had they look as well, about these Australian politician who can't wanted to ban a bunch of different like light novels and anime series. The actual article is called Kinekenia Pau seven Manga series after politicians complaint over sexualization of miners. And so the gist of it is one of Australia's largest Manga distributors, Kinkena, has posed several titles following complaints on my self, Australian politician named Connie Bonner us. The Manga Series Board include are Mangerson s a saw dart online, probblin's layer no game, their life inside Mari, parallel Paradise and Dragon Academy and actually have the actual tweet from the position I found it, and she says I congratulate king a cane are on taking such strong and decisive action. If this action helps stop one child from being sexually abused, it is one child we have saved. Together, we can all make a difference and, as you could probably imagine, the ratio and that tweet is a matters. Lots of replies and how they enney retreats are lights. A lot of people get mad up literally, but just of the complaints I've seen, at least on twitter, all that it's a waste of time. If they're going to scrutinize anime and like novels to disagree, they should also scrutinize western fiction as well that contains similar themes. People saying that because it's fiction is not real and it's not issuing it be considered actual child abuse or child porn and so I just want to hear everyone's thoughts. Basically, do me agree with this position? Do you think it's a slipery slope? It's a good thing to take? For me, personally, I think it's really, really hard to say. I've always thought that a lot of the character designs and models of a lot of female, female characters and anime has been a bit questionable.

A lot of them are drawn to look extremely young. Yeah, yeah, as a as in almost that prepew person and they're doing things that adults do and they've been, you know, stated as adult characters. They some of them are like in their s or s look like children, and it's a bit it's become a bit of a trope in Japan, but it is is really strange. It's really, really strange. It's hard to kind of it's hard to kind of put put a mark on where to draw the line, because how do you animate a character to make them look a certain age? Do All people of a certain age look that way? It raises up a lot of raises a lot of questions and I think for the most part I'm not sure if this is sort of censorship is the right way to go. I feel maybe better education of what what people may be thinking, you know, victims of child abuse or people who have relatives or could be, you know, triggered by some of some of the relationships and sexual activity that a character that looks like a five year olders is doing on a TV show. It's really, really hard to say what the right, right thing to do is. To be honestly, if I was to say, if I was to make a decision, I'd probably say let people be informed, maybe have some sort of trigger warning, but I wouldn't say censorship is the way to go, because it's it's quite a slippery slope. It's more than just protecting victims or, you know, educating people by Sensor in it. I think I agree as well. I think a part of the reason why I can understand people's like the backlash sometimes are having to it is that I feel like there's a lack of understanding about the medium. I think these potations don't we learn much about the medium yet undoubted leaders like a whole troupe of light novels and Manga that have questionable content. I think if they were to really really kind of like zero down on, like banning any kind of like fictional works that depicts children in questionable kind of like scenarios, would be a lot of western material that's also being banned as well. I think, yeah, yeah, so, I think yeah. I think the kind of complaints I'm seeing in that regard, I do agree with it's like, well, they don't really know much about anime any know the stuff that's been sensationalized in the medium. If you were to really scrutinize it and look at what was that they didn't want being published, they'd also denies a lot of Western novels and comics as well. I think it's the approach that I think I have an issue with. Yeah, it's definitely something worth doing, but done in this way it just looks like they're that there's some kind of bias there. I think, yeah, I agree with that because I don't think it's. I don't think it's just a thing. You know in an anime or Manga produced, you know contact Japan is it's just type of contact. Yet you can see in other mediums as well. So it's like why focus on this one, whether a stimil issue? These happening elsewhere and I think maybe, from like a political standpoint, this is not that level of understanding that, you know that's probably been taken in this decision and like and it's easier to understand why their husband is backlash. I think if I want to put the tinfoil hot on, which maybe I shouldn't, on the serious topic. But if I want to, I just want to put on the amount of people in Gon in government that are like Kiddie fiddlers. So, yeah, and now they care about none on child porn I just feel like it's convenient and people who are like none the wiser, if you think of they're just like the average like mother or father or whatever. They'd be thinking all, yeah, this is great, you know, get rid a bit. But it's like when else said they've been this invested in this invested in cracking down on child porn I just feel like, yeah, yeah, it seems a bit M no, no, I understand that ton hot point. So I think it's sometimes it helps me you just look at things in the bigger pictures. Like why now? Yes, it's been in this has been an ongoing issue that you know, in different forms of groups or even organizations of tried to tackle. But why now our politicians trying to push just to the forefront as something...

...that they want to try to tackle when this is always been an issue, should have always been a focus to that needs to be addressed? Yeah, I just feel like they can take advantage on the ignorance of the average parent who might know nothing about animal anger, apart from the controversial stuff. Yeah, you'll buy into this is a this is a big measure and people people very quick to just say, Oh, mango is bad and going to keep my children away from anger and anime because this is a kind of thing that, you know, it's related to full of child pornography. It's going to poison my children's mind not knowing that. You know, TV, movies, books all have very, very similar concepts and do some very similar, similar things to anime. There's a vastery of anime. But my one of my major issues was with so with the tweet. I've seen the tweets she's written. It is one child we have saved. If this action helps stop one child from being sectually abused, is one child we have saved. I'm not too sure what that really means. Yeah, I don't know if there insinuating that, although this could be questionable in my opinion, is I'm not sure how that relates to sexual abuse, the actual sexual abuse of children. I'm not sure if they're trying to see any rate that this, this kind of content creates people who will abuse you, abuse children or I have no other idea what that really means. Yeah, I got is stretched. Maybe it could just be that kind of hot like. You know, if there are, if they're indulging in this kind of like content, and maybe a certain point it won't be enough and then they'll have to go and seek for like actual child porn as stretch, but I don't think like, given the context of this whole thing, I feel like I don't want to give her that kind of thing. But if it en, I feel like that's that's that might beginning too much credit. Yeah, because that's the only way I can enjoy the confusion, though. I think it was a couple of years ago. Correct me if I'm wrong, guys, if I'm making us up, but I think there was some outrage that politicians had voiced when definite was published. All the anime had was had come out years and years ago. I don't say that how ya no saying how it was inciting violence and they wanted to scrape here and, you know, it was giving young children really bad ideas and things like that, and that very quickly went away that we heard about it, the outrage and then it just on to next thing. So I think when it comes type of thing, you just to wonder like how long, how long they're going to are they going to continue to really voices as an issue, or is it just one thing that they want to kind of just point out and say, yeah, this is it, we're going to ban this and then they move on. I think we'll only know if is very serious issue that they want to tackle if they continue like ongoing conversations around this topic. I mean, I agree with you guys, what you guys are saying on it. There is other media's mediums as well, as said in the Western space, that do the plix similar things as well. So it's just like is it's a complicated one, but for me it's like where do you draw the line? Yeah, fair enough, from the these the shows are depicting, I don't know. I don't know each and every one of them, because I've seen each of Asian, every one of these listed Manga, but I don't know if it's actually children in the show or if they look like children or what not. I'm not too sure what it is, but it's like you can't really say you're going to ban any sexual activity with people who look like children. As weird as it is, there are people who you know there are adults who look extremely young there. You can't really, you can't really just ban an entire group of people from a certain position in an anime film or anime moving ro manger. It's kind of like banning people from wheelchairs from getting into fights or getting beating up in movies. Should I mean I should be lost. Yeah, I mean, I don't. It's not funny, but I mean that that is but what it's like. Yeah, you can't real ban certain things from happening, because certain things do happen, you know. I mean as you're doing a documentary like, for example, there's loads of crime documentaries where, unfortunately, children are raped, based on true stories or whatever. Are you going to ban those...

...as well, because, because that's what they depict, are they fuel for sexual abuses and predators? I don't think so. I'm not not to you too sure. And my thing is, as where as I find it during the line, is extremely difficult. Yeah, yeah, and default into censorship is is obviously a slippery slope because it just starts. And when where do you when it stop? When does it starts? Agree that this approach, yeah, is in the beasts the approach, but it's still worth scrutinizing the questionable. Definitely. Yeah, I definitely believe it's questionable. But on the lightning it any watch the most recent xbox conference. I didn't really watch it, but I've heard. I think exports game passes looking quite good from what I've from my rhythm heard that's on the I think that's on the best of the features of the conference, from what I've been reading about anyway. Halo didn't look too good from a lot of people say. Really, I've seen the pictures of Haloaver for that and Um, yeah, it does look quite dated. I think we've talked about Christmas. Well, it does look quite dated. Reach looks like if the look of even reach, the game that came out ten years ago, reach looks quite good, I think, compared. I don't know if you agree, but yeah, my needs to still look a bit more to the conference anyway. But I know there's been a lot complains. Is Not wasn't the best of conferences from it marks. I think they need to do a bit better, don't they, if they want to like really go against Sony? Yeah, ex up coming console was they say. But yeah, I watched it. Was Not impressed from the get go in. The first game that they showed was halo. Halo in infinite is every yeah, yeah, it just looked really really dated. It just look really, really dated and I understand that the game's not done, but it just I can't see it looking that great much better when they comes up with the final problem, when it's finished. And obviously a lot of that is because of its art style. It just feels like another one of those situations where the art style is is dated in itself right. For example, if you look at if you look at a lot of Nintendo sixty four games, especially from the late S, like the two thousands and thou those art styles, a lot of them really really do not hold up well, not even up. They don't even hold up as well as most Super Nintendo or even, saying in Genesis Games. Yeah, because of the the art choices, the art direction, they just look really, really dated. Halo is one of those games where I'm not sure if it was because of the limits limitations in technology at the time, but a lot of the character models are like really bulky and almost cartoonish. HMM. A lot of the panics of cartoonish. The sounds were very we're quite cartoonish as well, and I feel like the the art style has an aged with the audience that are going to be supporting it. Obviously you're going to have your little die hold from your Daehard fans are going to buy regardless and it's going to sell regardless of what happens. But I just think, especially trying to get in New People to play Halo, it just doesn't look that great. It just it looks unfinished. It didn't it didn't look like a next generation game. Compare that to what came was it o came up Russian clank on the on playstation five. The playation by trailer night and night and day, and look like two different generations. Look it looks like there's two generations between the two games. That's how bad it was. The other games, there was nothing really of interests fantasy star online, I think it's a second one. That's a nice touch, but like, I mean, you've got up, you got a big conference, you're following on from what's Sony did, which was was it the best, but as a lot better than that. Yeah, it's like it wouldn't take much to beat that if you had a couple decent games but, like you're showing a lot of games people don't care about state of the K Tetris. It just doesn't make much sense. I'm not sure what the idea...

...was with that that. I don't know how they're going to sell for console or get pre orders based on on what they're showing so far. Yeah, those games they showed just does making sense. But all right, I definitely won't be getting one daytime soon, that's for sure. Think as well, from basically what, like I said, not re Seing the Commons. I've seen the kind of what people thought about it. Seems like now MCS are just giving himself an up. You'll battle for this, because they the fingers at the beginning of it. They had some good things going, like smart delivery was a great concert. You've got the Xbox Game Parus and you got xcloud as well. It's a such great things that they could have built on. But this what they swing for these displays. It wouldn't, I don't think it, as you said, looking for people. Maybe you want to convert people, maybe going from places as you get an Xbox, etc. It's I don't think it's really doing it. So it made, like I said, give marks for not feel bad when it comes to this constable, but then he still got wait for the prices. That may help. That would be a big factal comments soon. And Yeah, and the thing is, with with all the power and all the technology they've got inside and everything they've told us about, they've showed us nothing, nothing to to prove that it looks better than even the current generation of games. It just I just don't see what is going on and what's going on behind their marketing decisions just makes no sense to me. Did anyone have any thoughts on cycling? What's to you know, I was actually pleasantly a surprised about I completely put a game. I remember the initial cycles. I never played it, but I watch the I remember when I was when I was younger, watched a lot of placers of that game and I remember it had some really, really good reviews and had a decent following as well. So, yeah, I guess it's good to see that kind of game. However, those aren't really the Games that sell consoles. They're nice to have to supplement, you know, a decent life and up, but not not not as a as a mainstay of what's going to be released. Another game that was announced was bomb rush cyber funk. I didn't know if anyone else sort a trailer, but apparently it's meant to be like an official spiritual successor to jet set radio. Yeah, but in the studio looks really cool, very exciting. Looks Good, man. Yeah, direction is is a you know, stay true to the original. Yeah, I'd like to see the gaper. I never actually played there the initial jests a radio. Yeah, but I've heard a lot about and I see what a gameplay food. Again, I've played a bit of jets at Radio, not on dream casts but on the the Gba port. Yeah, I just know it has an amazing soundtrack as well, and apparently Nanga umas soundtrack is going to be incorporated into the new game as all. So that's really cool. It might give us a chance to play the original. Yeah, hopefully, and they, the fans, have been railing for that ages, kind of like the mother three fans. At least he can just see friends have a bit more hope, it seems like with this, with that all cleared up, this stands getting too the main discussion. So, as you said before, we're talking about game and anime, live action adaptations. I think, just to kick off the general discussion, are there any kind of really good or really be bad game or animal a one? I mean I've actually adaptations that come to anyone's mind. Super Mario Boys Movie? Yeah, so bad. And let's be serious, are we? Are we going to be objective here, or are we gonna, like we are asking, not going to be objective? Well, I'm not on need to be honest. Please, let's just get this straight right from the off. Video game based movies are shockingly bad. Yes, the majority, as in the vast, I'd say probably about ninety five percent. You could probably named about fight maybe in one hand. How made that are good? It would be really good. Any good ones? If it's true, I would be objective. There's some that we like, yeah, sure, but the bank terms of what's actually good, it's not many. Yeah, they had to bullieve the creators of the sonic movie to go back and do it again. Just use goes to show that it's just it's just not meant. That is not meant to be made. I'm sorry. Well, I will say is about that sonic movie is that, in the end it seemed like it turned out decent for what I've heard this been like it was an okay, maybe, yeah, yeah, like as a movie. Well, this we hold...

...it up to the standard of other video game adaptations. It's like amazing it maybe two tshost with one of your face. I mean I don't have faves, but because they're all bad. But I remember watching the marbles movie as a child and feeling so happy that it existed. He grew up playing Maria Games, like, oh my gosh, you made it to Hollywood, like, oh my gosh, this is so amazing, and then watching it again as a teenager and this thinking, well, what a scheming part of her garbage. Why can't I tear my eyes away? It's so bad. Why did I watch it on the way again to the end, like it's just one of those so bad it's good, like I know's a Cli shape, but I think with the nostalgia pack hitting, you watch that despite it being so terrible, it's still a good time, like it's that watching the room. I think that's so bad. It's a masterpiece. But yeah, other than that, I can't think of any other video game maybe adaptation that I've enjoyed. They've all been like, they're all bad, but I at least enjoyed the Super Mario brothers movie. The rest of them have been absolutely imporrent experiences. I can't think of a good one. I've never had a good time. I feel like I might enjoy the sonic movie if I get around to watching it for what it is. Everyone else is like feedback. But the rest of them and thinking of the resident evil movies, piece of pleasure that watching cinema good. Oh God, of course, another one. Gosh, so many, I think as we as we've discussed on it or come back final frantic see, oh my gosh, yeah, that one. Which one? That one? There's too freely ones. The first one they're stealing their souls or some shit. Okay, I know not. Advent children and I've enjoy it's not just the bomb, that, isn't it? Yeah, can relate. Two thousand yeah, yes, yeah, very bad. Yeah, I'm going to be real. I might offend a lot of people here. Advent Children was kind of crap. I've been told it was made. It was kind of crap, you know, and I know it was kind of crap because I remember watching it for the first time. It was one of the first movies I thought I was able to stream on my minding tender. We it was just the fights were cool. I mean the one with TIFA and I can't the guy's namesake, tef, and one of the triplets that were one of the shiplets. That was really cool. I was any good scene in that and the final fight with cloud and CEPHYRO was decent. Everything else was just ridiculous, like it was hard to really gage what was going on if you hadn't played the Games. It was pretty much there's pretty much no point you watching it. It just didn't make much sense and I don't know. But anyway, talking about films that I did like, even though it's crap. More combat. Yeah, I think one I really like the more combat movie. Yeah, I was just really big, really, really a big Fan. Obviously it is one of the first Games I played on Super Nintendo, so having that familiarity with all the characters and I'm seeing you know your Johnny Cage, Lu Kuang Shang Song. It was quite entertaining. Had towns and tons of quotables. It had probably one of the most iconic soundtracks. Yes, it did. To think, to think that we've come full circle and now the because people forget that the more combat theme song came from the movie and not from the game. And Yeah, it did. People forget that and now it's come full circle where you have the more combat theme song in the latest version of the game. Yeah, that's definitely one of my favorites. Street fighted to. I really like that as well. I'm going to speak much about because I know how bad it is, but got is not the one with Kylie Minogue? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, jungle dam. I don't think I've watched it since again, since the early S, but I really like that movie, but again, probably probably because I was young and it was just really relatable. Like you know, you feel like you know the characters are ready. You just want to see how they're represented, even though it just made no sense. Like Canna Ay, you made no sense. WAS IT ALEX being blanker? Yeah,...

Alexey put Alex in America wave and he turned into blanker. Yeah, I remember that all my inc it was so it was so mad because I actually believe that was his true storyline. I used to tell people, oh, did you know that Blanco is Alex, not knowing that it was just the that was just bollocks. I've been the only two characters I really liked in terms of how they performed, probably because of just how they were like comedic, was ejonder and Barrock. Yeah, and then, obviously role, Julia's, by some was probably the best thing about that movie. It was so good it didn't deserve. It didn't deserve to be on that movie. Yeah, with me. Oh Yeah, I have a few guilty pleasures with these bad gay and video game movies. That Super Mario Brothers. That is a big hilly pleasure, even though the film made no sense about the world into to dinosaur, the dinosaur supported to this new species in another own that dimension. And the goobers, oh my gosh, they were laps neute t horrible, absolute travesty. How a man, absolute treasure. I still love to film, though. It's still get you pleasure. And, as you said, the street fire film another one as well. But do you remember the game that came with it? Oh, she fight, it end a movie game. Oh my gosh, that was one of the worst games I've ever played. Jesus, absolutely ridiculous. And the more combat films will both more combat, more combat. Now relation. I love them as a kid, not good films, but you know, as a kid, you know, you just like this is amazing, et Cetera. There was a good dilations, meant to be like one of the worst movies ever made, and I still love that, even the thing, Luken, I don't know what you just transformed into a dragon against shower, clone into some like sub lightly man trashy but entertaining as a kid. But yeah, those are few of my favorites. But there's been some. I can't think of. It's hard to think of any actually good, as you said good. Yeah, movies that being adapted from Video Games, because I'm trying to think of the top of my head, the Tomb Raider ones. I mean, I want that bad. It weren't bad, I guess. Yeah, if you go and compare some most video game movies. Yeah, the team Rade wasn't too bad. Resident Evil with me. Just think a lot about but yeah, and then now I'm actually caught it. It may be trash, I'm waiting for it to come out. And what's on the film when it comes out? I'm definitely watching that. I though it's probably gonna be terrible without this. I just see it for myself. I've been even doing another something that the donus on the hedge up too. You know who as well? It was kind of it. Look like we've got that kind of vibe from it. Yeah, because of it did. So well, yeah, what she know? Doesn't? Actually I cut. I was on the same no, from actually, I can't. I did enjoy us to take to Pikachi. That will actually, you know, I enjoyed it. Probably was. Yeah, yeah, I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. Yeah, I think it's a decent film. Yeah, I think it was all right. Ryan why olds carried get on his back. Yeah, that's exactly where it was. brindles carried that film. It was still good, I think. Yeah, yeah, it's still good. But yeah, no, there it's so hard to name very good one, good ones at all. So, taking off the next bit, I'm just going to love this to you guys, because I personally, I personally have never watched a single live action anime movie. I'm so glad you haven't. Not even one. Oh, I'm gonna think it to you, guys. I think maybe starting I don't think I have evil, I really so. That's why I have okay, we know what you see me. I mean to memory. The only ones I've seen. It might only be Dragon Z. You know, drunk will evolution with a condition. Myvolution when I saw like I feel like I saw like a couple minutes of it. Yeah, that was it. Actually saw a bit of Rooni Ken she would you call it Samurai x? That was meant to be pretty good. I saw like twenty minutes of it and it was okay. But I remember how to go out and I wasn't that fast about finishing off.

But but I do have a cheat. I do have a cheat because I know old boy was initially Manga. Oh, yeah, I know it's not the same, but old boy definitely has to be the best. It has to be the best for you. I have heard a lot about definitely. I've heard definitely is meant to be decent for metal. I heard is not that bad. Yeah, the only one I've actually seen is bloody dragon ball. have he has anyone seen the last airbender, because that was awful. Word I'm about it is I remember seeing this trailer in cinema and I remember saying this is going to be one of the worst movies ever made. I was so far off. No, sometimes just watching that, just even ten seconds of a trailer it already lets you know what you're gonna do, what you're not going to exactly, and it's just like no, I'm not gonna I'm not going to cinema to watch this. I will not watch it when it comes out on ITV or whatever. I am not doing it. I can't believe Dragon Ball Revolution was actually a thing. I can't believe that. Ever I did. I remember the whole build up. Anything you just was going to be an absolute travesty. I just didn't bother watching in cinema. A certain friend of US did that. I love, would buy it. I just had to laugh with off the wind and watched. You totally paid pounds sterling to watch the film. I mentioned his name, you know, and loss of confidentially and stuff. But now he wants to film in Cinema. That feels just to get that feel, they had to do to the guy's pets make him have good heads. I don't go some some adolescent kid going through, going through so high school, trying to Justin fit in. I can't believe it. And I tried to give boomer bang. So like, what is this? Let I said no, and you know is you know you're young and you're little and your parents take out to Sumar and it's just like, even at that ads not impressed evolution. I would have and you would have fought from then on like them out of criticisms. Dragon boy revolution didn't receive uniform. They would have just stopped right there and just thought, you know what, these live adaptation things not really are bag in it, so that's just wait until a perfect or does not do it at all. But they continued it. She released it. I still complete that she released it and you know, like there's also this argument sometimes that I don't know, I'm not sure if you guys here or read about on this thing, you know which one's worse. Is it the American lie adaptations or the Japanese ones? I just think they're all bad and they should just not be made on both sides. Yeah, I don't think you said you've mentioned that. Definitely, old man, you said that's a good one, but there's it's the same thing as anime is given that patients and movies that both, you can rarely find a good one. I wonder way it was. I wonder why it is so hard to about trying to translate to the live audience I think because it's taken from something that's animated and you then trying to convert it and create in a way that requires are all characters. It's just not the same. And I also think that I don't know how much, how much involvement do you think that the originators have when it comes to the developments of lie? that a that they very, very little, very very little. I feel like thinking the Ip over to a director who then who's never seen the show. He's got a bit of a script, it's got a couple people just advising him and he just tries to quit the story into Hollywood as quickly as he can, as cheaply as he can, and then he just needs it over and then you get dragon revolution. So you think it's it's quite strange because you don't as your originator, for example, if you were, if you had created such like a fantastic piece of work, would you not want to follow it through in like, for example, all of the developments that all those kind of proposals come to you and say we want to make this, you want to make this book. Do you not want to keep your eye on it, to kind of just keep the reputation of your works like as high as it is. I think the decision to make then like giving money, or did they as the rights to the company? I think it's have it all. That's it. Did you kind of figure can move back to the sunny in a suddenly came out quite decent. Remember the original before we have to do the redesign, and every remember the original to design and it's on. I had some long six foot legs at the beginning. I'll screw it. Wasn't a great is. It wasn't agree that got it to be changed. It was us. Yeah, it was a feels the fans opinions. It was. It was the the backlash, because if they came up with that usual fully design for the film would not...

...have done is well as it did. I think those case you can kind of just thank social media sometime that they were like no, there's the backclash, just too much. You can't let this like be shown in the cinema, but let's just go back to the drawing board. And that's exactly what they did, not other from with delayed which was when they come to adaptations. I think one of the kind of things that I read up about is how you know does not have. There's not a lot of ideas circulating in just a cinema world and just hotley woods in general, where we keep seeing the same, like you cycled storylines, been the same actors. So I guess one of their ways are kind of branching out from that issues say, okay, let's like an anime that's a games. What type of adaptations came can be create from that? And I think because of that that I think there's just complete rush towards trying to make and produce something. So another question I like to just love to the group is do you have any ideas for any adaptations that could work? So, for example, a game, one anime that hasn't received the Hollywood treatment. So you think my action not end up being terrible? The anime is a lot of the time he's anime as medium to do things that we can't really do. I used to ease with the live action. Yeah, real, actual or whatnot. So An anime adaptation, sorry, I I've actually an adaptation of an anime or video game would have to be something that's pretty well grounded in order for it to work. Probably not have to focus on silly special effects and waste funding on all the little Tim bits. So, for example, something like, actually, this is actually a good one. Money, good one that actually exists and you raised yeah, bad work. Yeah, I think exists. I think does exist as it I'm not sure if you think. Am I you know? I think exists. Yeah, I remember hearing was pretty good. So something like you raised, where there's not a major focus on specially effects or any crazy fighting, combat or whatnot. So it would be very easily done. Something along the lines of like heavy rain. That would be a good yeah, we're good. Love it. I'm live action Detroit. That's another one that could work pretty well in terms of anime. I know if you guys are seen Zink, you no terror. Yeah, that's one that could definitely work, I believe. Yeah, something that's more realistic and not to you know, Scifi. The took kind of even could summer some shamping work? Yeah, it could. Yeah, I think I could. Let's time. Some of my shampoo is too perfect, though. Yeah, it would be the kind of special like care taken to it, especially hip hop elements and anything like that. It would do. Yeah, one star Monster. Well, yes, once I could work. Yes, I know I'm a stand but I think anything by Rossaro could work. Yeah, be honest, he's yeah, I touched on a really interesting point because you're saying out how anime adaptations could only work if they'd require like less things like, you know, special effect and stuff like that, less of that you know, sci fi stuff. But then when you look at adaptations of things like comics that have all that, why does it work better? I think as I think there's a lot to do with funding, whereas because it can have similar elements, you know, like in a sense that what? Yeah, you can't saying that as in like in some anime all manger, you kind of have those kind of things, but they're just not translating the best way. But then when we see like a marble me, we were all like yeah, this is amazing. I think it is funding. I think because of how widespread the appeal marvel is, there's a bigger incentive to spend money on it. Marvel movies across the globe. You're going to have people who are interested in, you know, xmen movie or an avengers movie or whatnot. Where is with with anime as big as it's gotten, it's still pretty niche in the grand scheme of things, I can't really think of a anime movie, not that there's been many, but anime movie, a movie derived from anime, that's really done well at the box office. Yeah, because I know...

...that. I'm when ghosts in a shell was in the press of being produced, as a lot of hype around it and obviously there's a whole controversy around what's that? The woman's name? Scottish? Yeah, it's gotta Johansson. Yeah, featuring as them as the main character. Despite all that, it still is, still did quite well. Despite all though, there was that criticism and there was, I believe, a lot of the money and, you know, planning put behind it, but it still flops and, you know, certain people's eyes, particularly ghosts in the shell fans, I think there's a lot of adaptations that do well in Japan. Thank you. Well, they here. I think those are the one as well. I think it was a was it city hunter? Yes, has a Korean drama adaptation, I think, as a Japanese en, Jackie's one. I don't know whether it was a film. War Series in anime and, like all of them, like every media, every like iteration of it, the man guard and novel, the drama, everything has been so well received, but not a lot of people know about it over here. I think there hasn't been a mainstream one. Like you said, has received critical acclaim well, don't well at the box office or anything like that, and I think that's that's a big, big factor, because the more fun, if you look at the funding for this, the fantastic for yeah, and you compare that to what you say is the biggest anime movie we've had, is nothing to compare to. and N's just because the demand just isn't there. It's just not there on the grand scame of things or a world wide basis. You can't put in millions and millions. It's the production of a movie only for it to be doing well with one region. You Know Me. Yeah, it's not really much of a point, especially especially a Western produced anime movie. Yeah, yeah, I think as mainstream as anime has become, we start a long way to go before it can be been going to it to other stuff that's many stream yeah, in the West already. So leading that leads me into my next question, and that's which adaptations do you think had potential? So they were okay, but they just missed them rock. So they weren't completely terrible, but with just a few different kind of tweaks here and there, they might have been decent. Can anyone think of any? No, no, well, I was thinking my own honest really no, no, because I was thinking back to detective fiakachige. I think was decent. I think it could have been better if, like I think the care and attention that went into Ryan Reynolds as character as a sective Pika Chi, that same level of care been given to the other main characters, who might have cared about them a bit more. But I think really it just because it just felt like it was wrying reynolds playing himself and everything, though. Yeah, I think that might be why renalds as well. It's kind of like it's like the other guy as well. What's his face from Nicolas Cage? He's that kind of actor, I think. But at the same time I think that it just, yeah, he's like the only character that you invested in. I think if they had given that scene of work are the other partial agonists, maybe you might have made it more well rounded. I don't know, I'M NOT gonna lie. I never watched detective Pikachi, but just even the way Pikachu looked. I was just like yeah, he looks really weird for you, like fine, I think. I think visually. I think visually that was one of the faults of that movie. Honestly, think it was just the characterization one. Like yeah, I think it was just a bit forgettable, apart from Liane Reynolds, but I don't even think it's the kind of thing where like okay with that. Have still saved it with the script. I don't know, now that I'm run even. I was also thinking of Prince of pressure as well. I think the music and like the cinematography and the visual effects, everything was so great, but I just could like it was just still acting. was really wooden. No, and you know, they could have done it. They could have changed that guy's wig as well. It was too much. I like it's like if you had an actual if you didn't have jake and or maybe would have had this kind of like problem with the work because the costing made no sense. That general Artington play, watching the fuck, and that's even like not to be like work or anything more really right. That's like it was like Elizabeth Tailor paying clear pactures just like no, it don't make sense. Everyone is right up of fro the valleys and it's sitting her on. But Anyway, I...

...digress very aside from me. You could go deep into that one. They can't that one. But like, I just think because visually it was really good, like it could have been really good, like I did the complaints in the side of like vision effects, there's cinematic direction. It lookingly great. It's just as soon as as you started talking, it's just like, what's going on here? Everyone has like an English home counties accent. Anyway, it was a mess. They're really nothing like I think it's just everything is really bad to you guys. Nothing could have been slightly and made decent to you. Come on, Chris, let's be honesty. Search deeper than your heart. A men go animal both. Yeah, either gaming ones are seen. I did like a resident evil at the time, even though I know now it wasn't a good movie. There's nothing, nothing, fortunately, there isn't. There isn't. There's anything I can really put my eyes on. Nothing. I think there's just not enough, not high enough production value in a lot of these live action iterations. I think I haven't seen it, but I've heard the angry birds movie spant to be good and watching that Shit, I've got no intensive take watching it. Why? I have heard is actually a an okay movie, like from from people who have seen it. But honestly, no, hit man couldn't watch it. When crose it, Walcroft, was it more craft? That was a couple years ago, wasn't it? Yeah, well, craft had a movie. I remember try. I remember looking forward to initially and then, as all the reviews almost almost threw up. It was so it was so hard to get wrong. The whole story is there. It's such a simple story to do and just a copy from the Games, and you still get it wrong. So it's just there's just no point doom with the rock. HMM. I remember there was a scene in it that was pretty good where they went into like a first person mode during the film, which is a nice touch. Over all, though, the film's crap. No, they she's just leave it alone. To be honest, you just can't do it right, so just don't do it at all. That's that's my thoughts on to honesty. That final point leads us quite nicely into my last question, which is which adaptations do you think shouldn't be touched by Hollywood or anyone at all? One piece, please. Other we've seen every like live action kind of a tempts that. Have you seen that? If it was a promo fted for it and you for something and they all had terrible wigs? Oh yeah, into what I like action with it just it just wouldn't work. It just wouldn't work. I absolutely don't want to see a legend of Zelda live action anything. That was the one I was exactly thinking of. I do not want to use the pictures old. I will be hum I'll be absolutely I would be humid. But I know, I know you're gonna say they could probably try and do a good legends of adaptatient. They have enough enough for the two when they could actually leader some Farah. Do you remember? Oh God, you remember that, that ign hoax. Was Thinking of that and still I'm kind of because, you know, when I saw that I was just like the fuck is this? You know? I mean, I don't know, but I was thinking of that, but I do, I do. I do agree that for the most part is should just be left but Zelda with very, very minimal voice acting or none at all. The salent movie could would work. I know what you're thinking of that, right, something that's like artistic. Let's emphasis on the narrative and yeah, yeah, but to be honest, it's just leave it alone. I'll be honest. I think here. I think you guys are right. Just leave it alone. It's just no point in yere. I think they've had enough dods in Hollywood of David Adaptation of, as we said, anime and games to really trust some of the loving franchise going that way as well. I think the cases that I think was it? Which announcement was it? Was it pits announcement for smash...

...or dark pit or something, and there's like an animation. Oh, yes, I teens. Was it? Yeah, I remember watching that tree and I watched it over and never again. I got a little bit gass. I was like something like this, I think. Is that the most? That wouldn't make me nevers anything. Yeah, action, anything like that, absolutely not. We did at love actions of place and missionary. Don't you know? Those that these up the patients? You know how so well they do. Well, comics got into the cinema, do you recall? You just can't see why it can't be the same flight. We said, I'm a mean Manga adaptation game. That up patient because okay, to say we say come with adaptations being well, it's mainly being mcu really mainly Hasan just try to think why I couldn't we have jim about with anime and Manga and gaming adaptation. I was just thinking number along those line. Why they can't work translated as well as they managed from the marble films. Anyway, I think as far as games are concerned, like Chris mentioned before, Games like heavy rain and things like that, they already have their very much the focus is the narrative. It might be you to adapt them, but that listing with sounders like okay, the Games. The Games do fel like they have a story. Yeah, the potaginess and animals and things like that, but it's just it's the games by the very nature of very complex compared to, yeahs and anime as well. So it goes beyond just like a budget is just like in which direction do you take the story and things like that? Yeah, that's okay, possible to please everyone, the mainstream audience, the fans, and yeah, I just think, yeah, it's too complex. Yeah, I agree with. Yeah, I hear that. Guys, what would you say if, a studio side, they wanted to create a live adaptation of hunter hunt, that huntext hunter, like, Dude, what? Like? What would your impressions? Because I think it will just flop. You know, yeah, my site, studio, just least, because I want to see that coming out. Well, but I get one, one short gun. Yet I don't know. You don't even find in the streets to play here. Yeah, imagine a costume for these fools. Should we even think of whom? Because costs. The character of go, no, need, don't need to read someone really short, actually, for both gone and Kido. Actually, even do you think is cart did have to do it? have to cast a woman as a fourteen year old boy. It's honestly, honestly, because you're not going to find, I don't think you could find a child that could play that sort of role. Honestly, not sure that well, being unconvincing. Also leave a Kira, Kira leaving alone. Oh Yeah, carry is. I think there's meant to be something in the works as well. She's it's like, I'm not watching it. If it's happening. No, leave it alone. Yeah, but if they do it and they release some much get a jacket, won't watch. Oh Yeah, I'm gonna everything. Definitely. I'll just on this topic and that you were touching on as well, like how wouldn't your questions around why they were struggling to perfectly adapting story like comic book movies and that they successfully do in any shot of anime? That when you put when you think about movies, that Harry Potter, which comes from a book like, it's just so well done. What it's like, I don't know. But Rut as an as a meet like, I didn't think we'd cringe at it because it was, I guess, the funding was behind it, as you said, Chris. So I think it's hit and this for some, to be honest, don't even get it right. But just in most cases they just it just goes terribly wrong. I think. I think Harry Potter had the advantage of not having a major images attached to it. So obviously we had the illustrations on the books, but apart from that there was nothing to stop stop us from costing. You know, we put print as run WEASLEY, it wouldn't look out of place, the way he behaves where he acts, way he talks...

...wouldn't be out of place because we don't actually have like a sound or visuals to that character, whereas if you was to compare it with you know, gone or killer Wa, we know that they have very, very distinct personality types. Yeah, so to cast someone to imitate those personalities is going to be extremely difficult and you only need to get a little bit wrong to ruin the entire by a character. That's the thing. You only need to get a little bit on. The only has to be one scene or you know, yeah, one one word utted and it's just awkward from then on. So I just got this at open enough, because he take your goal. I think that could with the right direction and the money back in the production. I think to Google could work again the production. The thing is there's a there's a proven track record of production costs being quite low in comparisons to the to the movie quality we're trying to get them out, which only get them to the level of, you know, the avengers or Harry Potter or Avatar or something along those lines. So to try get that quality on, you know, a ten of the budget, because the end of the day they're going to produce these films based on its projected audience. I just I think it's likely in the in the ideal world. Yeah, they did spend the money on it. A lot of these movies could work, but I just don't think realistically it's really going to happen. Even look at something as basic, as basic, as as as street fighter. You Remember the street fighter movie? Not the not the one from the s probably one. Yeah, the Leger is the legion of Charlie something, the one with an Adam black eye. Peas, you had not the best of actors. We had actors, you were some somewhat at least be listed, and it was just a mess. It was just a complete mess. It was like nobody knew I shot fight. I was you just didn't have the right people in there, even though you have remember that street fight series on Youtube. There was a street fight a miniseries. I don't know if you guys have seen it. Without see it, you can write we sorry by dotally my I remember that and it was I didn't like it all. Oh, hold on, this one was good. Hundred percent. This one was good. Okay, it was basically the guy who played Ken was Ken's actual voice actor was this? It like, Oh, they're all like retired, and that washed up a bit and they were setting like no, no, no, assassin's fist. Oh, assassin's fist, okay, yeah, yes, you fight assassin's fist. Check that out. Check it out, even if you watch a little bit, just the beginning. Check that out. It came up quite a little while ago. I think it was originally on game trailers, but back then I just googled this, not why, I thought. Or Yeah, have a have a watching this one. Check it out. Is actually pretty decent. Yeah, what about the Youtube? The life? They did a more combat. Yes, make it one of the same people. Do it the same people. Yeah, Oh, yeah, that actually quite they got there quite because the more compa anyway as well. So you can tell that these people are gamers. They understand what's going on. They UND standay that nuances, the moves, the pronunciations are correct. It's not just a case of this major this mega director is just, you know, doing what you can't shoot horn something into the cinemas or whatever. This is actual, actually decent work. Yeah, definitely definitely recommends to fire assassin's fist. Yeah, yeah, I think I've seen that you think they're remembering about? It was quietly. I actually enjoyed that as well. But yeah, maybe they need to, if they do do shoot cuture game addtations, take heat from seeing, like you know, she on each bout said that. You mentioned I myself in the sist and more combat the series as well, that they've got taget through it from that and see how world's been done. Maybe I wish you people could get hard, you know, given the budget, that you carry this to the you know, to the big screen. Yeah,...

I think what they need to do is they need to take a risk with a very, very large scale video game anime. So something like like, I know it's Hass I know, I'm sorry. Attack on Titan has a live action already, but if they got like a Hollywood produced version of it, with how big it is, yeah, I feel like they can afford to, you know, put some funding in there and make it a really, really big, mega movie. Is a big tack on Titans. Massive you're going to get people going into the cinemas to watch it, especially if the movies good. So you have to take a risk of a big, big movie and with a big, big anime, with a massive following and then just take it from there. See what see what the reception is like, and then, based on that, we can see what other anime will be able to do. Yeah, and I think they've also got to start getting better picking the right cast, because it's all great having a great budget, but then if the wrong actors are chosen, it is ruin the whole just a whole project itself. And and based on my question as well, like, are the any actors that you think you would not want to see involved in like any lived up taste? A R answer. She in that she's read it all for you, guys, do not killing me. She's star. Want to see your face. You know who I don't want. I don't want to see the Rock in any life adaptation animal game. I don't want to see his face. Yeah, I don't know. I don't see the rocky, but Finger Kevin or Kevin Hart. I imagine you're watching that machine, watching the Bazark live adaptation, and you just see the rock coming out as got. I'll actually leave the cinema like what is I don't want to see that. M Yeah, I agree, very sure, adaptation, but you better just leave it alone. It's not everything you have to make into a Hollywood movie that like has like for people in the cinema and then you have to release it on film for some weird SCI FI channel. Yeah, it's been up my notes. But this, it's on a business at the end of the day, is money to be made. This is business adaptations that you probably netflix anyway. It or end up on Netflix. What's what? I'm Dragon's dog, isn't it? It's getting a Netflix adaptation sooners as well. Yes, yeah, yeah, or try a TV series first, Ryan Miniseries First, see how it goes the series. Just try a pilot. Yeah, for whatever. Yes, yes, pilot. I wish they should really followed up. Button of money always the fore front and a lot of these. You may want to make a quick but favorite for our favorite franchise. Does anyone have any plans for the next week? They want to discuss plans. I plan, plan, and this is like a very, very small pe, plan to play some more Zeno Blade. The way, you're laughing already. I have no fee, but get past the first, you know, thirteen minutes, because I could that, bro. Maybe I might get a house an animal crossing this week for the first time of my tenting. Wow, broke as hell. Broke as hell. Maybe from one another? Yeah, I'll need that. I've almost forgotten that. I still need to play some fire and blooms. I saw a graphic. Yeah, of so graphic, of like a lot, a bunch of first part in Etendo titles. It's just like all the really popular ones or ones are sold really well, and I had every single one of them. I think the only one I leaded was older. It's just ridiculous, man. Well, the incompletionist strikes again. Always that title. This year. Definitely, that's this year. You just need to pray for me to lose my...

...bondies to call the Gee. Also, that's not that. Let you've got you my joke. All of accepted that. Don't what me. And how about you, guys? I I'm going to carry on with the Witcher, since I think I've been burnt up by a more custom again. So I use that to carry with persona fire for you as well, and I've put everything else on hold. Going to be realistic now. The binge. One piece on the way. Anything else. Wait, I will finished or head or but then nothing else. That's one piece. I'm gonna try and see I can get my switch fix. I've been saying this for three weeks now to the plan is to find a shot that can just do do what anys to do to get my switch working as it should be. That is the plan for next week for me. That's hope. That's which gets fixed and we're going to be playing first place. Oh, oh, yeah, I need to go. I still haven't place with two of you guys and I've been hating it, hating on the game for the longest. Do I do get it fixed, I'll play along with you guys. I'M gonna make a head fought on gist of the sheet Shema and if I'm want to try and play, but since I've gotten them, opping up played both, maybe from buying poteen minutes. Yeah, so I need to get back on baby's voice. Absolutely. Oh my God, Damn, bundling this. Let's asume call from a Nakia. Thirty three and ten. Sounds like you're eating a beehive. Oh, I have no work for come, but yeah, it's going to be. Those Games may playback from what you know, playes. Eventually, rustill have to do some mixtusuff on that game. I want to try and become for completion from from games of that one maybe too much. Well, yeah, that's many moves toots over to you. So that was a good discussion. Guys, not as many positive expecting, but I think it's the Lens Conversation when we're talking about live action adaptations. But yeah, that's before we round off. Everyone want to give out their socials wherever I can find you online, Chris, find meal, rankster at quinkst on everything, pretty much a stell Stolla ate on the score and twitter. You find me there, honey. Follow Up Fund them with our on Oh, on instagram and you can find me at two dot exe everywhere, and my blog is the fango mix tape. That like Presscom and you'll see you next time. By.

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