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4 Eyes Academia
4 Eyes Academia

Episode 44 · 5 months ago

A Non-Gamer Therapy Session || Episode 44

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

We are back with another episode of 4 Eyes Academia where in this episode we briefly discuss the news before Tudz and Chris get clinical by putting a microscope of Estelle's gaming history.

In this episode:

@Chrinkster @tudzdotexe @Estrella8_

Hello, everyone and welcome to anotherepisode of for as academe today we are joined by touts, and still I guys have you guys beenthis week- speaks in has been really long. Yeah I ma, haven't really read or watched orplayed anything outside of Morro cat in play, Marco obsessively God, because Idon't know if you anyone who watches the streams many pies everyone everyweek and I on off I've gotten good. I that's the one. A I've never reallyplayed. I played all the other ones from set America to seven, but I nevernever re played at this is the one I've paid, the mist,the or the ones I paid to significant re Doblas, the Ann Marco Sixty four and gone on the stairs. What's yourfavorite one, I want to see the snars one, but Idon't know if that's the star job creeping in. So this is the hard thingthis his pose. That's everything trying to separate a starter and that's a andWi actually better. It's always hard to do. I think, like I'd still enjoy. If Iplayed this nes one I is an adult but ye. I mean is, as the first one I played the one I'vegot the most fond. Memories of playing is Double Dash, but I also really liked super circuiton Gbwe. It seems like it very briefly. A Bay counted or I'll tell you that Iplayed the hell of a game. Remember borrowed it, so I tried to get everyounce of game player. Could it was a good gamoo about you, a star? Will yoube not to just kind of relax? You know trying andsucceeding or trying as actually but mostly relaxing and also trying to getback into my reading. I remember a couple of months ago. Ialways told me I my book from Amazon. A? U And I been the club. So yes, abacklog gang as well. What I'm doing at the moment, I'm timing trying to patchup before ordering anything. Can you and then I a side I'm trying to getback into the routine of regularly watching, because I feel like a lot ofyou, guys, you're on top of your enemy, some tin,O you on to that same kind of way. Ense, you guys maybe not persona who are here,maybe the others. This season is very good for enemy. Weever had the lectorer good solid season in a while, in my opinion, this seasonhas some really strong tenders like yeah, watching to a t or taxi. Weslipped under the radar, and you found out about that because I was watching amother's basement video and he was talking about how clever the dialogueis and no one's talking about this in a man. So I checked it out and it's justa really like cool anime is like talking animals. Somaybe that's why people are beeping it because you be, but it's like it isreally clever. Writing it's just the fun yeah and I think invincible didthat because yeah I was watching a visible. I I I watch US having animated.I was like you know what stafii invisible like three days. Let me justlook up on to that animate me. So I tried to give my man a fish anotherchance yesterday, I'm trying so he onesis the is thegambling one nat's Kaji, what's been on a fisiognimy when you'retalking about but on the fish is the one where, like it's just tragic andthen when he dies, but it's Benyon. I didn't get very far. Yeah funny thingabout the mine fish is that appening the ending was going to go in adifferent direction, but something really traumatic happened to the menGaki. She was like finishing out the story, so she just took it in anotherway that Vitigis, I left stronger. Oh it's avery good man O, but I like it makes sense why she ended it that way whenyou realize she was like really tormented in her personal life or atthe time, as well so yeah as raisins crazy, because usually hear of writershave in the ending in mind from the very beginning so to have such a gesticchange. Yeah she probably did, and then she just thought you know what yeahcrew then a communicate. My pain...

...through this, it's like with it say I Ilike, I think if this was ages ago, like when tack on Tan First, I reallygain attraction. His plan was in ride an interview, hes powers, to end itaround the one hundred chapter, Bat on one hundred chapter mark and he wasjust going to kilo with the main characters. Obviously, his Etons werelike no get to keep the story going and I think, towards the end, it kind ofshows that when I sees gets popular is not really all up to the man gakeanymore, Salingen John. It was like this money to be made in this Alatpeople repeatedly say about the same thing that happened with John Bulse.Jan Bolz was Metenin. What freezes ago, wow yeah freezes Soland just keep goingyeah just kept going, and you can. You could tell that thequality of the series Trots? Yes, quite significantly- and people like to say,oh they like sell so Sigi was great. So son was not great. It was it's justmore of the same, but I like the Tis yeah. I liked it, but I know a lot ofthe reason I like it was because of nostalgia around that period of time. Iwas what maybe in primary school and that's something that everyone watchedand think about it. This way, how many shows you watched in primary school?Could you hide hand on art, say: Were Bad majority of done? No! No. While I ammusical everything lapped everything was good Ehingen series any cartoon, any anime was always great. Nothing wasever bad an. I feel I like you go. I remember. I remember that they don't dome that, like Dragon Bulls, wasn't that great- and I was just thinking like wow it'ssame and I couldn't say anything like in public- I was just like Lona be I because I still love it, butI'm just like it's very mad yeah. It doesn't matter a judge, slaps man. Ah,a is great. It's really great man, so Suckin addiction and we keep falling back into it. Ishould we just chase it all new dragon bulls super ultimate oxenham reallywell. I was ready three times in cinema as in that patreeteesm three times itwas. I don't know it's something is to say an in fast. I watched it in Englishtub because I want to hear Sonini go to cod that wat the in Jepan dub just tohear that everybody else, because I didn't like to be surfeiting again justfor an the hit of Sir coin like it was such a fun time and something what Ievery time I went. I went with a different friends. It was just funevery time, Restat Yeah. No, I I cannot stand, go Kus, Japanese voice kind, notthat bad, I'm so used to it. I can't I can't stand the English stuff of dragonbus can't do it. I mean you can get you can't get used to it, but the thing is,I didn't watch Japanese Dragon Ball in any capacity up until some of the moremore recent movies came out same, I think, ethen I thought. Maybe it wasjust like my childhood, like harding my judgment, because obviously I we didn'tknow anything about Japanese, that I watched everything on parting networkand Fox kids, but when I like as an adult, if I watch the dog for Joanwuzzy night, it holds out to me, I feel like it's a decent and English dob,yeah yeah so and he's go can be jutas voices. I think we wed it and freeze.Freeze in goose voice is really good on. One can tell me a star like a yeah,yeah grey, see the names of M Presenes, who is him a a a dude like it? On the hat? I can'tremember it's a very kind of I don't know in theoriginal dragon busy is. It was a female tess right up until General S,Kai and then he's been voiced by a man, pistopal, okay, so more recent, okay,more recent iterations, I mean it makes sense because I feel, like Brazil was alot more and drudges, but than yeah. I didn't like to me. I think thats pollymy first thing hand to with a character, and me e t a I could put in the Co box,so freezes freezer and as a kid to think of it, I like any kind of likehistorical contest. Just Oh yeah pres is not like yeah he's a bit of it. I get older you like who is like whatpolitical to you, because you have more rewards understanding and yeah yeahsame thing with one Corpi but coriacan. We know Curiae Dude, but yeah Peter a yeahyeah.

I won that one is extremely strangebecause she's referred to as a dude, yeah, Mungo, yeah and then a female inthe Anima Yeah. So it's like, I don't know her, there's an inconsistency or,as it was deliberately made to be ambiguous, I think it was donedeliberately. Okay, yeah. I think it's a very, very major change to have theagenda of a you know quite significant character in that work, change, but yeah Oltri to think of how he got her. I wasgoing to say something else ye I ave I been anyway play station. Announcingpartnership is cold. I thought this was so funny because then they just denyMicrosoft, and even for that was the end of that, but then it was like site,yea e, no, for it, Microsoft O excited by a falling thing. I didhave enough like contexture knowledge, but how people did have what thatanyway, so they were happy that filed yeah. I just wot excited on the T S. Ithought its pose to be a good thing. If I'm understanding this correctly,would we have like this cord instead of Party Chak? I'M NOT SO convinced? It's not likesuch a game. I go right now. I don't know what this means. A acie, like, I feel like discord and play station Pisa, would have to beseparated because it means that you would essentially be able to talkto anyone on any platform for P sn, which doesn't really make much sense m. It could be a case of using some ofdiscus technology, maybe be integration on certain titlesand certain games, but I don't think they're going tocompletely olive whole play station party char and replace itwith discord. It would have really made much sense to my opinion. Moland, it'simportant to know it is a partnership. It's not only ship, so e, some sort of level level ground onnot front okay. Could it be as simple as just making it easier to use thiscord with playst? It could be, it could be, but then Ibigs the question: Are they going to allow you to speak to other consolesthrough the play station propriety system? I can't really see thathappening, yet I don't feel like they're about open as a company. I knowwe're getting there with cross play and all sorts, but we're not there. Yet. I personally don't like party Chap Eryeah. I was in intender with what discord elam a lot more sense, but Iintend, if for nothing, tend to want you to plug into sixty four differentpersual to speak to someone who's next door to a a the Janki are at open atthe same time as you have your easier to speak to to your friends onPictore than it is to not pick a hat moosich online, it's just sent verygood. I'm surprised that must a hunt to rise like one they were on line,because I had no faith in the Intende online like comey mess of how well mystole just wat o such like play games, but don't play games and don't do thisand don't go in mind and don't can to your friends. Don't don't have fun andpay so pay sixty pounds, because we know you do it anyway. So Yeah is o can ha some anyway. What else is there? What elsecame out ETURNAL? Are you guys interested in that all right? What will it again? What will it takeyou for to play games regularly? Ayahwa is your grape with video games.Generally, I don't have a gride. I shall have a grath. Is Your problem? Why? I think it's more! So I'm not I'll behonest. It's it's not something I make time for is any one. I have that, likeyou know what they be dust off to switch that I'm just like that. So is also that, and also I don't haveall the equipment- and it's not t where...

I want my money to go per se. Like yougot like, I know the chapters when you guys getting you like, do it and a hoseexcited, I'm like. Oh, we all right. What is this o saying, but for me it'slike I I just don't want to spend, but I'll tiotio, you guys don't tell me, Ihaven't, play any games. You didn't play games with us. I just told you, Idon't think I've ever played a game stassart she hated every second a bit,and that was the last time to the star like us. I you guys ever. All I have to dois go my phone. I have to get that out. I think I don't think I was in thatgame. You know you. Are you accuse me of kidding every one member? Oh yeah,we don't e everybody elusees go my Fengon, I'm stay in bed. Every else.Gotta go got say it up. You got me plugged stuff, you I'm saying ate, butI mean the switch. You literally just have to pick up and turn it on Leven. Also another expense of theswitches. You have to regularly pay monthly. To do that online thing. DoReal an nother direct debit, I'm not directory King, it's all! If you payfor the year, how much is it twenty quick? That's not even a bus bars twenty quidfor the year, but this is tally. Do Go for me, then,for I'm. Actually this conversation seriousall right, I into yeah, so basically the twitch. It's got to a point where,like my brother, spend most of the money on getting you games that it'skind of a come their console. Now they probably only eight percent of theGames now or I probably I I contribute at the start when I bought the console.But now it's just stead of is for my your storage, listen yeah! This is an interesting SecondSelina. Yes, so let's talk about Stel's life and game in to someone who's notreally into games. This should be interesting, so as still as ourresident for as non Gamer, what do we say? A tater novice, a novice yeah. I like that. What was your introduction to videogames, so my intruction to video games wasback in the day Ay two thousand, so I yeah Psaru, judging her Chris PrettyLaw. Is he so I had the PST. That was, I think,one of my first consoles. I con it also that pst was like the lit thing, so Ihad that. I still have a lot of the Games. Actually, so did you ask for it?It was it given to you. I think it was given to us at the time we were quiteyoung. We didn't know what we wanted you know is given. So once we had itlike to get all the Games, I can show you proof of all the rectores we havebecause it's still here, I did not throw it a thing. So that was my firstand then I had game boy, color console which I enjoyed playing questionin. Soyou got. You got the game car quite late. Now I I must have been those two sand. Istill wait because game by advance came out in like what Oh two by the comasenin alien enty Timeteo must have come out just before the door, the malariamy pallor came out in Japan. Ninety eight Europe, Ninetyeight yeah yeah, Ninety eight but Peto, came out in what two thousand and oneone M. Yes, guys, a fat checking me man, I didn't know about it because I knowpersonis one of the earlier games and I came it in two thousand and two. I think two thousand and twotousand do en three yeah okay, so you got the your gamesconsoles in the wrong order, but you go on. Maybe she got one out of the other shedid in the role old be I played. I was ody like almost a second just coolnight, first played like Snar, but but by the time she got yeah I must havehad the color first, by the time she got, the PST, the game by advance wouldhave been out was slightly okay. I think this is a yeah. I early start aPAT games and then you know with time just went with the the flow got the wee, what else ye yeah the way of the so weand we whatwhat- was the first game you remember playing like em on yellow mause. I just thinkgame boy PA on yellow is, is the game I really like. I enjoyed playing. That'sthe first game. You remember playing it off top my head before you peer to.

What do you mean you appear to first? I think, the same time, all right right fromearly memory. I remember playing simpsons hitting around Oh, I quit it.Yeah Ma me was so fun to man, I probably missing some earlier ones yeahand what was your favorite games on those consols? which ones did you feellike you spent the most time playing? So I remember spending a lot of time,I'm in PS playing the saint say a hades game, so that I was really funny. Thereason I actually paid that game is because, honestly, what one hadintroduced me to Alemanes we watching the SAC anime at the time and Iremember, being a franc going in like the shopping center. I just seen thegame of PST. We just put that home and it was quite a hard game actually yetat that age. So I jot paying it side of my brother's P game way I enjoy playing. I thinkit goes back to poke on you knowin one's really finding really easy just check in my poke on taking them tothe hospital that kind of stuff you know M. I find it. You actually had your parent, your momhelp you get into anime because I'm sure the majority of us have never hadanything close to that in my mom is still schared shall never getgrandchildren. Because of my hobbies the correlations that I'm a basementdwelling gird thinking about the limit of the family.You Ness on my genties of changed arsike but yeah. I think my uncle actuallyCallin my uncle. I'm not Pekia to him he's like a family friend but he's likePepin. The significant role and like me, Gatoua, make Anima and Games he'sactually on to what the news. So that's how I even play any stands: Games atwell, yeah, so yeah. My root is completely different because Iliterally I always got into it myself kind of thing because I remember beinglike it sounds crazy, but I remember being like three years old and going tovisit a memory that me, I remember anything before age six. I remember it.I can remember it, but I can remember just before starting nursery. Oh Wow,not not in not clear or anything, but I can remember and when I remember myteachers, because I remember a lot of my teachers I had it makes it helps me.Remember things that happened around that time, but I remember being aboutthree years old and just being obsessed with there was, I think we went to see likea family friend and he was playing Batman on Itary withJoyce. One of them trace, ticks yeah and then they switched over and thenthey'll play in Mario in s Mario brothers, three on Super Nintendo, andI was just always fascinating with it from then and when you're in the game and culture you automatically especially back, thenyou automatically end up being interested in an anime. I think animalwas just something. I came across rangily on line wire and I just gothooked. Let today just off Er just of Hutteeaabout Kate Morember, his name Eric just the name of my friend's inventoryof legal and legitimate D, vd Yeah Yeah Chris said, I think, a Ogla. I think a part of itwas just like just growing up and watching what was on TV m yeah two. Ithink what made I think my uncle's influences me was what made me becomelike a hipster. I could just go because I who I don't need to shut and then hestuff like vampire and tod, because I was watching stuff. I wasn't. I was tooyoung to be watching, but me was at my uncle's face e like what well did Iwatch does it. I clearly remember- and I may maybe because it's called me somuch blood the last vampire or like he a I'm actually for because when Iwasn't sleeping, I came cleaned. I watched this animated. I was one andvampire an to de what else was there. He watch a SI iton a lot so that signed up watching cowboy, be bought and there's another anima film I forthe like is whenever I remember it really bugs me, because I can'tremember the name welcomes an anime film with the protecters is a nurse andthere's like a Mecca, alien invasion or something or just like evil geniusscientists on me o pace. This Mecca a Nigga crazy and she basically has tosay like to care for mass destruction. There's a reason why she's like theBestperson for it, but I ha da job...

...she's like a nurse and it's basicallyhow she just Nagnatai like her personal life and knows it just like easy to save the city from destruction.It's like a Mecca film. I remember that much omit being really funny and stuff. I can't remember the I don'tknow if anyone listening from that desert from that descant, you can help me. I go really bother me. I stillcan't remember. This anemoni was like eleven years old watching it on theScifi channel and the Martian successor Metadata. Heliked that this one, mme think you've turned this abside a therapy sessionnow because I feel like now. I know why not an games are often to er yeah we'regetting there we're getting there. We've gone. We've gone from the gameway, color NPA. What did you get after? Was it the TENDA WE IN TEN? We right.What do you remember what you remember of the Nintendo? We we sit, we it was.We slapped, I'm sorry. It was so fun. I E sports, no refit so funny as e games or sane yeah we fitand Marie which Maria was it. I look through oneof them maries, one of the maries. We had that and thenthe one of the Ariane of the marries you the Beche on the Mars. That's an, I think, that'swhat I that's. How I talk about people who did live in London? He from one ofthe shires e h is one of them. Shyster E, a on the maries. I think weBE PEOPLE IN DAS. First then, the we sorry, yes, okay, that makes sense. NIED. Probably one of my favorite consoles,there's so many bankers on that Guy Lois great w. What did you like on oneof the marries? An sisty know any marrows when I yes rightwhat what happened? Let's leered out the title of the game from thediscussion in one of the maries I'm referring to you there's like a massivecastle at the end that you have to be so basically so every single warriersI'm well a hopin there's to about seven worlds and then is that only what o?What console was this? Yes? Well, not seven worlds and I had to hot tin eachone. So I got to Funen and I love the castle, and I was I just Mara Mian Meg,just Maria I could switch her. You can switch between my own EG yeah. That's I hyeah it soups or Argoat ers in time.What's tick? What's the combat term based is a term boast when you meantime base, I say when you enter a battle with the enemy you attack, thenyou finished in the Aneta and you finish: it's not like life and I makefighting but okay, it's not six stars on Er. Then where is like yeah? So howdo you call how d you Co Enemies? You jump my the heads, the things? No, youjump on their heads or G o. The heads then got to look it in the littlestaffing and just do it the thing, the fire, that's it I was killed. I justknow what the generic comes. It should just be new sums at M. O. Remember, please is very cenandas and so you'll say onewhich one is the way one. What happens in the car in the CarMaria cat? It was a call on America, then Marco, we, yes, the Wel specifically for it. John E. Weaccesses yeah t the Car Maria I was like. Do you pay a Taotse got past the D S N?We era what happens next? We era there's a very large gap of time period,but hers no new consoles at all, nothing just just the week and thenwhat starts happen is you know secondary school time. CSS Parents saystop paying games. Games is here only at the weekends and then m. You got toa period where I was just like games only during the sum on Christmas. Sothen my frequent of paying games is really reduced to those man newconsoles because as I and you starting to pay games a specific time period inthe year, because I just wasn't really...

...allowed to during school times. Soafter we there's like a gap of like I don't know, maybe even nine ten yearsand then the switch is my most reason console a PAS ten years yeah. I do t be fair,mine's kind of similar because see after the wee I didn't any like standard home consoles. Everything washand held, because my living situation did not allow me to have a TV in aconsole set up in my room rue to play. So I just had my after the wee. I thinkit was my ts I missed out on PST and missed it on me. I missed out. I neverhad an ex Microsoft console so be so between the we and the threds. In yourcase, so we came out in two thousand and six added St anything. Yes, we came on two hour andsix freds came out in two thousand, a D D and eleven m t five years too bad,not big fat, but does a that like there's so many games in the pis threethat wants to pay that, I think so. You've so of stow you've gone allthe way from the weeds of the switch yeah right. Okay, and what made you geta switch, don't say us, it was actually because you guys just do youse guys arelike on in tendas pay roll like I'm claiming that intend sponsorship,because I o money, the first mend e Goniatites one of you was especiallytender boys. You know we just do not influence and chat on T. I was like.Let me actually good. I find it. What this consul is a is not getting it forChristmas Wow. That's quite a journey yeah and Iwant to say my brothers a a little bit like me as well, but because they don'tplay games, they play games more often than I do, but we always for thatperiod where we were only paying it like seasonly like Oh, let's just bringout the let's just wipe off the dust off the we and plays you got to say inso there they're a little bit more like me, but they think they've bit a bitmore time. So the speed, the switch gets states a lot more frequently bythem than it does by me. The way you described like how your far case just amind of how like back in the day, you do bring out monopoly and stuff yea.You have like your cousins round wires like Christmas or whatever. So I guessthat's it like Picta gaming is at the same kind of thing for your family yeah,O yeah. I remember when I was when I had be in Sema sixty four we used to well, I think I d see in my Vedera, butwe never used to play on there. We split in the living room we used topack up the end, sixty four in the box after every session. We played this, and I know this happens even now.Okay, I tates in this house. That was a line.I think that was a big reason and it was so interesting because I feel likefor a lot of people. It would make it kind of push him away from it if it got a bittedious to play it, but for me it just made every single time. I played it alot more exciting. I was always looking forward to playing it because I knew Ialway wasn't always allowed to play it and when I did play, I cherish the timeso m yeah yeah. I think that's for the reason why I think episodical emotional touch with tenintended, as I just felt like. That's the one kind of like console that coulddo that, like Oh yeah, the family plays together like a ping on fifty together,but I can play mare caught together, because it's just marco like need to bea game on a just, a up, a Patten. You can always I've all even known, like Nintendo fans generally tend to be a lot more close it and am not friendlywith each other, and it's because the titles that everyone who had anintendo console pretty much had the same games or play the same games at some point,and those games are usually very very good and you go an attachment to it towhere, when new releases come out, you're always interested in I've beenplaying Zelda, since God knows how long and every time in these old isannounced, I'm excited for it. Even when I go through a period where Idon't necessarily want to play games if a new Mario comes out, even though I'm not I like Marie quitea lot, but I'm not the biggest marrier fan. But if a new marrier comes out, Ialways think back to when I used to play Sumerians before Maria car, allthose different things and think you know I'm going to get this game yeah, that's how I ended up paying for thecollect edition. Yes, I sunshine O I've literally that's! Basically, I did. I think I payfour hours of my sixty four. I have even been sunshineor galaxy, but no,not even taken off the plastic. That's...

...see therapy guys to right now, Yahia toyour attachment with the detachment. A period where youdon't play a certain type of game is gonna, do a certain type of thing, generally kind of push you away from it and youhave less free time now. I you like in a dog and the thing is in- is yeah inthat ten years you've picked up. God knows how many new hobbies you got. Godknows how many new bills you've got. You got to make time for socialinteractions. You got to think about how you look, how you smell, how yourhair looks that kill me where you see where the time has gone. I can't so prior to like two thousandand six. I can't remember going out thinking that. Oh, I really want to buythis top or we want to buy this shirt. No, I didn't care. All I wanted was mygames. I used to spend my dinner money on the video game, magazines Jummin, soI'd rather play games, a starving in school, yeah, yeah yeah, but it's interesting because alot of people like, for example, I lost you, tides have you gone through aperiod where you've had like little to no interest in video gaming when inactually playing games like a long period of time? No, that's a that's a rat, that's amazing!No! I think like when I go back to when I say like I missed out on like thatgem. I don't want to know what Gen that was with the PS three m the week. Imissed out on that, but I had, like my my hand, held consoles. It just made memore like obsessive. It just made me more obsessive in playing those onesbecause, like I just in a I think in a complate these games- but I had this-like I remember, be my second year of Uni. I got my fs and what I did was paying at the time.I say anything was wrong with it in Hansi was like. I was definitely likebent out all the pressed a bit of both like I did a say game and I an my etesin anything, but I like that was the one thing I didlike. I did. I try N think in my desait saving as in a dog, so a periodof time I just sold being as to play. Games like there'll, be a time where Ihaven't been asked to play a certain type of game. Like you know, you guysknow how many months it took me to beat this in a fire like. Sometimes I don'twant to play like a heavy story based game, but so want to play a game I'llput on like Spitin stead, O something that's less meant to betaxing, so there's never be like. Oh I mind I e for games like cad, but o theGames. I usually prefer like amge and stuff or adventure games that, becauseI'm not interesting thing, there's obviously something else, that's a Ican like detach from as I'm playing it. I've had the exact same thing to iswhen I think about it, I've never has to tell you that longest period,I've goe about playing any games would be very, very hard to do, because I'vealways played games in some capacity. However, I've gone through periodswhere I haven't played the games that I wouldlike to play, for example, so by entitles a I was seemingly interestedin and not playing them, because I want toplay, you know colleg or destiny or smash brows or street for and I endedup default into the same games for so long. Only now am I starting to come out ofthat where it's like. You know what I could just piss me off. I'm just gonnaplay something: That's not going to frustrate me as much that maybe has astory line. I think when I started playing memos, it kindof created an attachment to pay an online and competitive element that Iwas always kind of. I always wanted to play games where it was competitive andI was rewarded for the time I was playing. Essentially, I wasn'tinterested in just paying a gain. A complete story, I can I go, read theend of the story and online hovey want see. o Can Watch the play, though I dolike the opposite. Mind Sang like I'd, prefer a much beter nowadays to play agame play to the story and knew that I completed it and, as I like, losing abut and the Mesh next game games are more open ended. In the back of my mind,I still, I still feel it I this waste...

...of time I could be experiencing a newstory like whenever I like Expectin, is different because, like to me, that'sjust like hanging out with my mates yeah, because, especially we just lockdawning, is the close to come to like a drink up with me some weekend a in, butwhen the water cos up will probably place between less to be honest, but Idefinitely like Emeis just the main reason why I stop playing them. I justfeel like. Okay, I couldn't see in any other way, didn't being a huge time.Think like a lie, was it ending to this I cold. We went to a different storyand if I, if I was to talk about me, is for a different podcast entirely, maybe we should we to bring hide.That's another. That's a lot therapy that you're right there I was very lucky about I used to have ashell an account. I should account in in a Momon that I played and the idiotthat I was sharing. The account with is a friend of mine that I knew fromSecare school. He basically got the account hacked yeah. He felt for Lika stupid. I don'tknow it was just dumb. It did something stupid and getting the account hackedand losing all my items and all the stuff that webuilt up obviously made me not want to play the game anymore. That was a blessing in disguise,because the amount of time I put into this game no joke. It was like. First of all, mycomputer never went off, never went off at all like zero, neverwent off because you could do some things. While you were AFK so M, myconies. Never off, I was waking up at four. Am Five am in the morning toplay with my gold members, who are American gamesto do certain task and to do certain raids, and this was in Secare school soChris was is an addiction. It was, I think it was, but this professional sounding voice.You go right now she trying to turn the tables on me. Ilive been I've been through this, I'm no you're in the chair. Now I I've donethe reflection. I have done my reflection look. I was,I was very lucky he sometimes even today, Shell called backto that place, no edition. No, if you get let's say how many hours I even want tothink how many hours sins well into the thousands easy. Let's sayyou had so years years, the years of hours worth of gaming into a single Mo,and then you get hacked a, I think, to pick yourself up fromthe ground. Obviously I could probably, if I grind it hard for like a year. Icould probably get back to where I was when you like- That's Cola. It says Imean in Meroes. It's very small ammo one year is very small. I can getback to a very, very solid level in a year's time, because a lot of it wasluck as well food to get where I was in the first place, but it's just like I just started uni, so I was like twomonths into university. I was now able to socialize on a different level. Go out meet friends, you know, people would come around would go to events and stuff. I didn'thave the time to do that, any more and so yeah. That was the end of that.I never never got back into a MOS again. I think that's like. I think I don'teven know how, like popular enemies are currently in. Iknow what Meissen like Ol, O l like inscape e, is a massive multiplayer online,amber j, which I mostly played as a massive, multiple, massivelymultiplayer online role playing game. So it's just it's a it's a title wherethere's loads of different people and is like an e ecosystem and o your task is essentially to be themost powerful. The wealthiest in let's say a given server, so is it is a how how you put it it's avery it's a crazy feeling. It's like a hierarchy is like its own city, centralidea, but when you are on studies on it like yeah, it's an entire society. Sowhen you're on the presidentbecause you...

...want to do that bind need anotherGerminie man, president looking and doing, or something because yeah you want to be C. I wanted to c this game, but this I was like literally one of the top. I say in the tophundred O O in Ye had ye d, millions of people paying you gladly Europe, that's crazy, yeah Europe, soit seems an Mo because some people are addicted to this game. I A simsin osister, O yeah, so I'm not sure I know there'sways you can play online and mods and stuff, but it's not quite the same. These these titles are built to beplayed and they like built for Competition Games that word of warcraftgames, a Conquerin Lion Games like ruins, ape guild wars, these syces andit's crazy- and it's also very dangerous because it makes you want tokeep competing and keep going back, because people are always playing and alot of the time it's a battle of who can play the longest. So you can be the most powerful. Youcan be the best play on the server and it's crazy because even from eventhough it's a game, you get a lot of real world benefits. As you get you get people sending youstuff, that's actually worth like money. You I mean. I think thatnot even that, like literally imagine, you find a night and we build it im inthe game, and someone can message you and say. Likelook, can I buy this off of you I'll? Give you two hundred pounds yeah I meanand people a gifting you some of these items that are worth this much jorth's, another tide, Hustle, twothousand and twenty one year, peoples of income people have made a lot ofmoney, selling in game items and engame accounts on my life, even with animalcrossing orisons. When people were looking for Raymond and all the otherlike desired villages, they were sellinglike nichals tickets on e Bay for like bow world money for like the ship, aBritish bounds, but it's actually crazy people. There was amassive massive thing on the world of warcraft in China, where people were just grafting for for gold and it's like a fault, an even not evena full time job. It's like twelve hours a day, seven days a week, farming goldliterally sometimes more than that, but these people literally be in theseInternet cafes, forming gold on behalf of companies and then we set in the oneline. It's crazy. It is. It is absolutely crazy. I think they've done things to kind ofreduce this incidents now, but I'm sure it's still happening yeah. Oh, mygoodness, yeah, not a human human rights violations. Ovium well, but Imean people do anything to fix. Pit Systemsis change yeah, but I mean even I was aren't or bad. I've met people for MOS spoken people. People help me out whenI was when me and my friend, who had to get out where we we were in, like yeah,eight and but then people in your a work. Twelve thirteen years old, youdon't have paper accounts, you don't have debit cards and credit cards. Youcan just spend William Milly. So we used to post post this guy money likethe be coins in an envelope right and he was an older guy and he was apart of my guild and he would help us buy these in game IAMs because wedidn't have account it's hilarious thinking back on it now, but we didn'tthink anything of it hilarity. That was in my mind, but a W C E being pined bythe guy shut up ellean go there. I was like, were youbeing scammed somewhere else? A really nice as because there's? No? You guys? Are youthen? Just help these younges out yeah because he was he was we were in hisguild and he was our guild master, Hee...

...yeah. So he's he's to help her fitfulone e, the funniest, the funniest story. How I met someone through gaming is: I made a friend on animal crossing wild world on des now before the intend official magazinethey used to have like a forum. I don't know if they still have it nowabsolutely gone yeah, but back then there was a forum, and then there wasan animal horses friend friends code for him. Now people just randomly puttheir friends cold princes. There come to my come to my island to come visit and Animal Creston. Wild word hada future where you could send messages you had to like take them up in advance,but then you could map them to a deep had. So you could kind of talk topeople on that game. You can't say you know whole paragraphs, but you couldtalk to an extent and then there was this random guy andhe used to come to island all the time and then I think it was just like. Oh Yeah ad meon Esn, NS M Son Yeah. This is this is a longtime ago I was in Adein and he was cool and he was watching a anemen. All ofthat and he'd send me anime links and Blah Blah. I'm scared. I thought thestory's gonna go, take a left turn. You know it didn't I s cool but being anormal guy. Like me same ages, me quite a a in the tone of Christ. Obviously,what's gonna Happen, I'm always a bigger skeptic anyway, I feel like you can never be a hundred persent, butI feel like I'm very good at deducing, where something is dodgy. I was nevergoing to meet up with this person or do anything along those lines. But peopledo do that about knowing who this person is. I jus ask as a therapistwhen you are going to a well, you posted shoeboy, yeah, the what your PA when you're pose tothe money to that your Gill master hm this so eyes. When you posted yeah, it's funny me back, then it was like so muchmoney. It was like eight pounds. It is I I am on, but when you are going when yourposted year, do your past ask questions what why you put some of the envelope awhy you're doing we do a secret office a now, thank God being got a damn idea me andmy friend would literally just put it to do like four pound eds or for palace.That's to at what I was most in highst. What I was most surprised about is thatthe postman didn't steal the money. I will I e easy. We didn't even reet.Probably I was so sure that the money never gotstolen a got to him every single time, I'm sure one of the Times it probablygot stolen and then he just bought the stuff anyway master but yeah. I was just thinking me day to do so saybadly in this episode, but these people, all the Sitio, whatever an MS whoever the Mer Millanites millenial,are like forty, so that still my doing as an e favorites yea, then we, theLenos, is a new term now en jus suspose time to be going forward. How you Goin to curbthis avoidance of games, is at to treat like a work on meeting.You know I got a schedule it I spit. No, but like you not to schedule time, doit, I'm saying I want no do it at me. Ami You tell me we got a fortune on notgood example. We are Saturdays every Saturday like we always do like you said I gonna this on this tenOle all right on the state from tree to for whatever I'm going to join, but ifit's just like a random like tonight, if la but last minute you know butagainst the duds, you know what what what I see will do is what animate is what kind of story youaction plan? What kind of stories do in joy generally in terms of ga no likegenerally and what kind of games do you prefer to play story? J A relate at not eleme yeahgoing related.

Do you prefer stories? You do do skipTories. I prefer to take good dealings to story modes. Then I also like toplay games that I don't have to. I can just play in this drop. That is on last.Why I marry a cat game is just so easy I'll. Just do a couple of races and I'mdone. I don't have to come back to it. That is probably what I tole, because alot quicker, but when I do have time when I wasplaying breath of the world years ago, I actually a s D. I never finished upsee. I never finished it, but I didn't mind that so to irritate, I never finished it, but I enjoyed itand I was like okay call. This is calm, so I didn't live story, but I also likegames. I can just pick up and drop okay. Do you like Handiwark cossing man? No, it is new. One was stressful. You mighthave like nearly like know wha. I don't like games it no cross em, because Ijust don't understand the joy, but people have in this concept of lookingafter animals and like the house, Yeaman the animals so just say hi tothem. If you care about them, if you don't e, u the way it's like Sims, I just I mine, seemstoo much. I just want to get any joy, so you don't like any kind of likesimulation names at all. Then I think of games that do you know what I thinkshe should try it. So these are certain games. You I mean you like storiesright yeah, but I used to play. I used to bang out for fascinating. I didn'tmind that I that was on was Gonta, recommend, professor Latin or any yeah.You should pay light novels yeah. I do know that first late and still myhiogo ahead, is we'll come back to professor later Bussang. Did they everput hotel dusk? I feel like you'd, be like you would like halters I ever puthere. Maybe this O, unless your dear still works, love, butI don't know if they poterat or we can hold out Eric and then find away if you to get to play it which one which vesona there is no black one, but I think mybrother is yes mabel three des No, the original. I never had the light. Justoriginal Three K, one frees: Oh three, the tunker trunk one then rids theChunky, one original the Chunky, one very well, the black one at it in black. I don't remember Black Trunk, I D S. I was it any silver, those those in thelight it there was a blue one. There was a pink one. I don't remember ablack form. I didn't back let's this list investigate as I have, because I literally have it.Is this two black ones in the house? Did you have a SI and I was- and it wasn't a delight? No,I didn't have a there's, no comer on it. There's no camera. Is there back lighton the screen, yeah a shot, a trunk Ds. Maybe she got itfrom manner. Eric maybe had a skid was it did you buy it like from the shop ordid it come neck? A skin shop shop, a bus, no Eric, I don't feel there's a black originalbs, I'm protecting black, an I'm seeing is dsins lights and I see the originalds or the skin the blaid picture, because I got myBo's room. Yeah we've got so my bet is this, like you think so yetmight be because you're sea said Chunky. She agrees, desimone memories mixed you know, but I think sowe'll see. Okay, I had that DS and then my brother's den had a three DST share.It was a bit Chunky was at Atqua blue. They had that one, the leter botheredof the Troyes. I just kept the on this paper back east late and on the desYeah you should be a satiny is sense. My favorite, a right you are interestedin there are. There are methods where you can play these games. Oh, I know Ihad A. I had that back in day Eric Have you still got it? I have to dig I'd have to dig for thatstuff. I didn't even know it to looking more be than in Eneia device, Yeah Yeah Wink wink as he winking just now. We had that we had GOBS cutest out, but I remember we hadthis. The was this application and we used to just get all the Games on therey a Y. Ah, I don't for I legally legally, yes, the store the nenwereally enjoyed those those years y yeah...

...had an o fal for home brew, a of or because I want to day for overout to play Phantom O grass- and I on said at this Coso, so I went to myhusband. I said he on her the yeah. I am that you owned yeah course. Shedid tens yeady to me because you a shoe or close or bad. You don't gave Danais.I don't know if you go to touch Oise. I saw an article and acouple tweets actually talking about how a lot of D S Gamesare going to die as I how, as in the actual cartage,then Oh yeah, of course, yeah, and how people started seeing problems of somecarters already games like poke on Pearl A do. You know these Games aren't madeye old yeah it's a bit. Soon is very that scares me. That scares me becauseI do have quite a lot of D S Games. I docherish lucky, lucky nothing's, mentalists, just money in it capitan,that's the whole thing that you unfortunately yeah. Fortunately, withthe D S T e, the majority of I mean almost the entirety of the D s back logyou can find on the Internet. It's not so much the same for like theintembeni sixty four, which is obviously a major concern. I mean hopefully on do something. This is a whole separate discussion,but is a rat down on piracy and stuff to to consumes. The solution is simple:If you could buy this, we would spend our money and buy these things, butbecause the companies especially to police, toes they give a shit aboutpridin preservation, even if it cold sins. I an IP that's why these peoplestill trying to just figure out their own ways to play all the games that youcan't have access to anymore enow for financial reasons or because thecottages didn't survive more than Dodeka, so yeah, scary, stuff, but yeah. I guess that's the convention. You know thequestion. You ask to start that I o to decession. What was it as the question?It was. I think it was just a Eshana like before you a B. He said it's aGonta play return, no on you and I went the Eldon on yea and T. I l you guys, just God a busting outlaughing. Yes, like a yeah, I watched prime stream return Oon I twitch, and I like in love of the concept of the game like a rogue likethat set in space and just like Fred persons shoot or like I never wouldhave a man. A sort of rogue likes like into many has been hides. I tried otherrelics, because I love take you so much thinking that maybe I could appreciatethe genre and it just didn't work, so I thought returning was something that Iwould be interested in, but just looks very difficult, like I feel like a you,it's at the point where, like with how it tense Games on now. If I know Ican't beat this game, I'm not going to waste. My money like I feel like itwould be a waste of my time to I try and be this, but it looked to me likecool, like I love the concept of the game. It looks stunning as well and even though he spent the entiresoon like rely frustrated, I been dying even ever again, even if, as the pointof Er like you know like it, was really having fun. So obviously I think youmade an interesting point there, because nowadays, gaming is not just about having fun ora game being enjoyable to play. A large quantity of it is now a gamebeing enjoyable to watch and we see a lot of games now. That might not be the most fun to play, butin terms of entertainment, value on stream and platforms, they look so goodand as a result of that, I don't know it can be a good thing. It's not always a good thing, becauseit means you're, not really thinking about the the intended consumer, but what it does do is that allowspeople who may not have the time to play video games or have the patienceto play certain video games to still be entertained by these games. That's me.I see the survival Hara. I love watching. Other people play survival,horror yea. I would never play survivor horror of my own relation, like Iabsolutely love watching I play lots of as somers must and as really excitedfor resent evil village to come out doing from the outset. I'm not flyingthat game also excited for it to come out because an you would you lot wouldwatch it would play it. I could experience the game by Carle. You guysit's so funny, because before I mentioned the e, the eternal thing,what I was actually going to say was...

...how different it feels like how the way weplay Games has changed so much where a lot of us play to stream and when you stream versus when you play by yourself inyour own room and the Confonde, it's a completely different pool game. Itdoesn't feel like I'm playing the same game at all. For me, I feel like I'mplaying for the viewers a lot of the time it instrement it. Even when you watch dreams is so. I cankind of just tell that you can't just how to equire or anything you got to.You did a lot of things as also it's definitely unsane how it would feeldifferent non streaming and just paying it by yourself and it's crazy in thenon n h in the mid two and I was literally just playing games without anyone knowing I'm playingthese games without telling anyone I'm playing these games literally justgames that I found interesting for myself, played them, completed them and then moved on to theloom about letting anyone know that I play these games are so many games. Nowthat people talk to me, especially from that time period, when Oh yeah do youdo you play this one? But Oh actually I did play this and no one would ever know because wedidn't go around saying we completed this. Now I have to make a list of theGames I played in the game. I have a a Askimoneiab, like you said, there's notbit o Paidon time in my life since I started playing games that I've come along time without paying game. I can a possiet I paid, but since the adsitMaja I could remember stuff, I paced, because I would have have some recordof it on twitter or you know you know the talking about this game, but as akid, as in my teams playing all the time, I can't remember everything Iplayed and that it just came in general, I even like leaven get into likeBrowser Base Games, Arolas, Stop Ping Peeling your phone likeeating outside Rad them, because we wanted to have fun in notes. That's allmy precio game as I get cared for being shit, but I'm here to have a good timeright. That's why I'm not by you now! If you are to want to play Cology, Ihave no idea why I so H, no idea, okay! Yes, the reason why we still streamsPitney Week is because every time we stream so when you comes in, I canrepay with you and just it fineen's better than us there. You guys, I guess this has beeninteresting. I hope you've found some sort of ENLIGHTENIN. This still and Ihope you trap today. I just say this: one therapy will have anotherfact: E E new target, the bring my bring my Nesaso here thatguys, I can do I like best of the wild he's thinking about what's wrong withhim, we're going to do game therapy sessions. Yes, new segment. Yes, why do you play this game sucks only what happened? A L E, a great the episodes find o whatve happened. What happened to me? That's a title: What happens to Peas, awild card that he just waste money is empty, the account? No! No of us. I give you a game in for well, I guess that's been for astherapy for today, I'd like to think the a patient. Yes, our patient still and my co therapist ven I tithonos coins and at Papilio Yeah we've been for a academia and weshall see you next week, yeah Deiet, to review the podcast you can like theother son or if he doesn't like it, let us know at Onteora, as was I I stuff.

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