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Episode 45 · 1 year ago

Resident Evil - Exploring Horror Games || Episode 45

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Tudz, Ponle and Chris are back in today's episode to discuss what makes Resident Evil a horror game. Join them as they take a trip down memory lane thinking back to earlier horror games that they played back in the days!

On this episode: @tudzdotexe @oluwaponz @chrinkster

Hello and welcome back to another episode of academia. You're joined today by myself, toads from late in Chris. Yeah, I guess, and we're here to talk about Horror Games and just every all scary games in general. But before we do get to the main topic, we have some news. So the first piece of news is Sony now expecting psfive shortages to continue into the next year. So I'm not psfive guy, I think both of you. Yeah to me. Yeah, it's hilarious. We would have launched a lucky guys. So yeah, yeah, to witness, I feel like everyone's an amazing story about how they obtain their psfive. Is So funny. Everyone's just got a different story on going through some sort of traumatic experience just to get this play station. All I I was come. I love love for order, so earlier I didn't have much worries that will just came through. That morning I got mine and I was all fine, but yeah, they shortage. It looks like it's behind it. I'll be the games still for these. You See, I didn't I didn't reorder. I mean I tried to halfheartedly and it didn't go too well. So what I did was I plan to to do the whole goal there, Zerlve am from mid night launch right. That was the plan, and then Boris is told us, yeah, we're going into lockdown. Yeah, but fortunately I've managed to get into contact with someone who got a couple of pre orders and yeah, I just got lucky. I've skinned this art school because I was like, what is causing the shortage? Is it just like chips? It's a chick. Yeah, so something here. Would they say? He said label shortages of semiconductors. So he's an almost all competing devices has made it increasingly difficult, but they continued demand with the spike consoles to be met, so that I think there's just generally been like shortages in the computer parts. Like, yeah, semi conduct has dispected so many, much just consoles. It affects more bars as well as PC's laptops. It's because I know, for example, wasn't it was a graphics card crew. Yeah, so the graphics card situation currently is probably worse than, way worse than, the playstation five situation. You literally cannot get them. They've been out stock. I mean they're hard to get as it was, but because of the pandemic and because of stopping of production, certain certain aspects, lack of resources. It means they're extremely scarce and when they do go on sale they disappear within less than a second. There's not there's not many of them, and that's a problem. So, and the main issue is that a lot of the people that buying these graphic number graphic cards are buying them to mine. So currency. Oh Gosh, so they hold them. So you might have some people with, you know, six, seven different RTX S in a unit, whereas someone might just want to play games, you know, a good frame rate on their PC. And essentially that's what these graphics graphic cards are designed for and can't do that currently as it is. If you do want to biographics card, you're going to be paying well, well of the odds. I didn't understand trip to...

I don't agely have enough time, so I can. So there. Let's great into the next topic. Yeah, nextise of news is always the resident evil village released recently and for us you've been streaming yet and talking about it. Are Not so any first thoughts? I don't think apolly's at harme horrid game gang. Yeah, he just like me. Ask Chris what your first was like about what's your first game so far and how many hours have you played so far? I mean, yeah, I mean personally big fans again to Capcom and they saga for providing us of a couple copies to review. I played I would say about four hours, five hours at the moment. I'm still working my way for it, but yeah, it's very different. It's been a Lo long time since I played a resident evil game to that level. I didn't play the two or three Remix I do plan to play them eventually. So the last time I played a recent evil game properly was resident evil for right. He also protagonist of that Leon Leon Kennedy. So obviously the game has gone from a third person perspective to now our first person. I will say the village does really remind me of, for in, in the village aspect where you have yeah, where you have like a you know you're in an I think. I know, I love reasoning. Village was one of those games where, even though I haven't played it, I think I'm similar to poll it in that sense we haven't played the games that we know so much about it because just like play games like adjacent to it. Yeah, yeah, I mean it was. It was one of the highest games, he wasn't it? Yeah, it was the wonder highest evil games, wasn't it was on a couple consoles. Actually, I remember came out on Gamecube, but didn't, I think, because the game people wasn't selling well, they brought it over to play station. There's am I right? Yeah, I'm not sure, but I'm sure. I think it came out. I think it came out on the game but the gamecube cells wasn't that great. So I think, or I'm trying to remember the full details. I'm sure they didn't brought over the PSTWO used double chick. I'm going to Google this because I'm pretty certain it was. Wasn't even for that it happened to I maybe you're under yeah, it wasn't. Again, came first, but for ANA are very similar and that village aspect, the main difference being one is first person. So a basically takes you from the story of President E ll seven. So it's kind of continuation where you have protectingist Ethan Current, resturning even winters, Ethan winters, where he in the seventh game was on a mission to rescue his MRS from some sort of place where, a town where there was a crazy outbreak of a disease which obviously was causes them to have those Zombie like tendencies. So he finds a she's in the state. She's now like a Zombie fire she's attacking him and in that game, for out the entire game, the objective is to get the antidote in order to bring his wife back to normal. So in the F game we start off with Ethan, his wife and his new baby just all living a normal life and all of a sudden they're attacked, people die and even is left, you know, in no man's land pretty much, with crazy stuff...

...have happened while he's been passed out. I don't support too much about the story, but this new game is essentially a mission to get back his daughter and he meets some very, you know, interesting characters, most most notably lady dim Jescu, or Lady D as people like to call her. That, you know, all the weaves have been fantasize and over that was so funny, but because the actual game she's not that prominent compared to the other no, it's not like she's a one the main character. Yeah, if you watch trailers, if you watched gameplay footage and seeing the media response, you know thought that Lady D was in the final boss Yes of the game or the main antagonist, which is far from the case. But yeah, so far it starts off. What I will say about the Games that it starts off quite interesting, and I've seen a lot of people say the same thing, where it's like a massive difficulty spike right at the start of the game, which is very confusing and which could really put a lot of people off of the game. There's like a segment where you essentially have to run and just try and outlast a hoard, essentially same old resy. You know, you haven't got a lot of ammunition, so you got to be very cautious about how you fire fire weapons, and is very closed off environments, small spaces. There's now a new blocking or guarding technique, so you can press a one on the playstation to guard yourself from an attack, which I think I'm don't quote me on this, by I think it reduces the amount of damage you take significantly as opposed to just absorb in a hit without blocking. But yeah, you you start off in a village and you make your way to the main castle and I think the game looks really, really good. First of all, the soundscape of the game is really interesting because, you know, the music is good. Hearing stuff and directionally trying to figure out where stuff is coming from is really interesting. But yeah, so far it's a good game. I still got a long way to go, but enjoying it at the moment. Yeah, watched a bit of game play via abby who was streaming on our twitch, and the other people, and it seems like really terrifying out the gate, like I thought, the first segment where you're in the house before the things happen, it's just, you know, very calm and then it's like you crash mean of nowhere and immediately everything gets dark and you can't see in front of you. You're hearing noises, not seeing anything. Like you drop seem right in it. So yeah, even a so he was watching it. I was kind of like meaning back think they knew what's gonna Happen. Something dumps out right now. So yeah, I think it's very it's definitely really atmospheric, I think. I think the first person perspective really amplifies that as well. That's also thinking, because I saw a tweet the other day. I was making the rounds. It was a teacher an article. Basically, forgot which publication actually, but basically the headline was resident evil village proves that you can't really define as an evil as a series anymore. And it kind of like the first parable for the article kind of like insinuated that this could potentially be a negative thing, like a this use is all over the place. We don't know what it's really about anymore. But then I saw people counting that was sing. Well, isn't it a good thing that the series this long running can stall, surprise...

...fans can come out with new things? I wonder what you two thought about that. This is just as a bunch of different things. That good or bad or I just could be a bit more news than that. But I mean, coming from my experience, I've played so I played the first two residume or games on playstation. I played nemesis on Dream Cast, played for on for and then intendo. We played a small, small bit of five. I played the demo of six, didn't play seven and and now playing a there's a massive, massive difference, obviously, and it's almost hard to define. If, for example, eight had a different name, you would not even think it was a reason evil game. There's nothing telling you apart from the characters themselves. I mean it's got Chris, it's got Chris Redfield in it. Apart from the characters themselves and the storyline, not even the storyline, just the characters themselves. You would not think they're from the same game. Even if you look at the last three releases, and sorry, let's include for so if you include two and three, remake seven and eight, they completely different games. You got your third person, you got your different weapon load out, the way things the way you tack monsters, the type of monsters, the battle or battle system, but the way you you interact with your enemies, it's all completely different. I don't think there's any problem with that. I would rather see a series Haitit or have a brand, you know, resident evil, and make good Games then to make the same game over and over and over again for generations. I mean there isn't evil one must have come out in like what nine, s six, ninety five. So to see the same gameplay over and over, I don't know. I don't think it's a it's a good idea. Another game, but I guess if on the USPON the Silent Hill. I don't have you seen game player of any if not real age, or any of the recent as an evils, not the resact to your experience of Salent Hill? I'm not. Like I said, I don't really favor games either side. Who I don't. I Know Silent Hill, but I'm not played it. I have seen the differences, maybe little bits and pieces here from the as reason that you will go through as going through the years, because I think even if you go back to you on for four, didn't for change the normal in some way as well, because it went to didn't full go, do for go first person to shooter bit. I wasn't first person and first person was it. But what I had it had, over the top of that kind of dynamic fair person where you would you'd be able to I think don't quote me on this, but I'm pretty sure on the wii you could move and shoot for the first time in the series history. So before that you have when you feel out your weapon, you pull out your weapon and you have to stop. Yeah, you'd be stationary. That's scary. Yeah, well, something. Yeah, it did a couple things in a couple things. I know for did a couple things new from the previous reason evil games on because they're a lot more slow placed. And then I think for was a lot bit more, a lot more action orientated, wasn't it? In a way? Yeah, it had put you call that quick time events. Yeah, that was it. So that was it. Changing. My not really kept up with much. Like I said, I don't really keep up reason the evil. Well, I can see and I understand like the impact it's had in the game in anyway, for example, and I think because that...

...there a lot of the stories and they're not really connected. You say they're not really connected as such, but you do have a recurring character to see and there's like an Overachie, very sad. Yeah, really, when it comes to I'm Brella Corp Yeah, the out there, they're prominent there. Yeah, yeah, there is some sort of link usually between the Games, but they do. But one thing about resident evil is that it usually has terrible story ends anyway. So I think that's probably it is just a really masses about the gameplay and they think they do continue to change and enhance the ways. From what I've seen, the Gameplay resumee or so keep so it's understandable why it has such a whole huge following as well. and I wonder how. I think where's it rankling cat confessor in the series? Is it's I'm sorry, I'm trying to check it. It must be quite high anyway. He's a must be the top three, number one. It's most sound there, isn't it? Mons on the world is its highest cut one's best selling game. Much of US series. If I yes, so series, I'd probably guess. Don't what. Street fighter? Maybe street I will be there. I think Stute fol will be done, just even trying, only because of how long it's been established as a series. Yeah, I'm Res An evil, I think. Is that okay? For this is as a September two thousand and twenty. reason the evil was cap cons biggest seven the series. Okay, and once on the second. All right. Yeah, most of US huge in part as of two thousand and twenty. That was as a September two thousand and twenty. I think that probably changed. Probably change a bit. It was rice. Rice came out in last March anyway, so which has been doing quite well for then. Now they've got as an evil. I come out now. So yeah, but yeah, they see it's a discipline. That that's it. Cap Coins was in the top two first listen the series. So, yeah, what do you think about the evil series? Tis? Yeah, I was, but to us, like Cuz I obviously etheran winters is that kind of typical video game every man character, at least he was in village. He's very much like a blank canvas. I think when I was like looking into it, I was like a deliberate decision to just kind of like simultaneously take the player out of like Ethan as like a character, but let immerse you more in the enviignment as you're like going through this house to stay alive, which I think was that. Understand this decision behind it. But I always I found them like, even though he's bland, on purpose, it just makes him like really like and sympathetic as well. You don't really care about you can. Yeah, as a consequence the story and, like I said as well, the stories on really that like I wasn't like legs anyway, do you did with this just either story to have a game like this. So yeah, and he would too, I guess. But I think, who I've seen a village so far. I think they kind of blushed him out a little bit, like from the outside seems to have a bit more like a voice and personality. Yeah, I think it's good because he's still very much that of like way. It's just a badness you're still playing the game as Ethan. I could do it's too much about him, but still giving him bit more personality, I think, was more effective than in I hazard. But yeah, I just think it well. Actually wants to ask as well as because obviously you've gone from like over the shoulder to third persons year to first person and stuff like. To you as a player, which one do you find more scary or immersive, like compare playing as even winters in village to playing as Leon Kennedy in are for like. Which one makes you more your Mus makes you, for more immersed in the game? Maybe not scary is right word. Yeah, in terms of immersion, I'd have to definitely say village more so than for and a lot of that has got to do with, and...

I've heard people say this as well, the closed angle viewing. So the actual depth of depth fulfilled, for depth of death of vision in the game's quite low. So you only have a narrow angle really to see. From being a first person game, you have a very narrow angle and things are still happening behind you, to the side of you that you may not see. So while you're running away from from monster, sometimes you can hear them and they close to you. You're trying to run and then you see you get attacks, whereas with Reisi for for example, you have better control of the camera so you can see what's going on a long the time. Sorry. Yeah, yeah, you got better control of the camera, essentially so you can see what's behind you, you can see what's in front of you can see what's side of you, but it's quite it's quite quite a contrast. Another thing I would say, though, the first game with the fixed camera angles probably is the scariest, I think, or the one that can make you really feel a bit, a bit creaked out, because the angles are fixed. And part of the reason why Reson evil was so scary in then s was because the camera angles were shit. Yeah, you know, it makes sense. When the camera angles Shit, you really can't see what's going on properly a lot of the time. You're they're frightening the zombies as well as the camera I don't know which one is scarier, but it's it can it got to be in fury, but it really made your panic sometimes when you didn't you couldn't have complete control over what you were doing or can see what you were doing properly. Yes, that feeling of helplessness because, yeah, yes, that hopefully helps avoid but the camera, the camera was awful. But I'm so onlike when I'm stressed out, I'm not quick to react, so it's like obvious I'm dying in it. So that's this is why don't play horror games to begin with. Don't like I'm not wasting my money, because if I see the monster that I'm trying to avoid, I'm going to panic, I'm going to die. And this game, what would you say, is the main, the number one reason you don't play Horror Games. It's a waste of money. I feel like looking even like it's I'm gonna sound so ridiculous, the first time I saw a blue liner in breath of the world, I couldn't move. Imagine you playing the last of us and the flipping blow. If I see a bloater like I was watching abby and Co stream the last of us to the first when the first time I saw can you spoil? Yeah, so that's why we saw the rat king and I saw the people in the back of my mind as a watching them play. I was like, how are you even able to think clearly right now? You're finding this thing. There's too much happening, and the way that buss bottle starts, it drops you in it. You'd have time to like think about how you're going to attack it. You have to actually stay alive long enough to figure out it's weak spot. HMM, you put you have to die a few times in the okay, now I'm going to kid it for real. They, which is a good like game design that, drop you in it and let you try a few times before we figure it out and you can just like with new determination, fight the boss. But for me it's like it's great to watch. I personally would not find enjoyment playing that. Yeah, it's that watching horribly for me. I didn't mind horrid movies. Horror Games is a bit too much like that. Now I'm in it and like why my boys down there? Now you're in control. You got depend on me. Sorry, you know what. The thing...

...that used to actually scare me in Games was when I thought I was in control and then I could was suddenly good. You find out you're not going to change. So that there's loads of games I can let's take breath of the world, for example, the Lionel, or even like a guardian, the God your Audi music. You're they're doing what you're doing. You're there, you know, you see one and maybe you're running alone health and then you're thinking, you know what, I'm just gonna run away your own away. I'll never yet the first time I was running away from a line. All right, and he's shot an Arrow and then, and this is this is what literally like a day after launch, I was what was you doing? And then I got finished, I was like, Oh my God, what's likes it is when you shoot an Arrow, it doesn't go that far. When the Lionel sets an arrow. Yeah, so I was so far away from this land or I was like this has got to be a learners of that's life of vision. I'll give you another one. For example, it's like when it's also the game becomes self aware that you're trying to take the easy way out, for example, like here in a metal gift solid. So both met guests one and milk, so to have situations where they're really creepy because it's like they break the fourth wall. So you're fighting CYCLEMENTOIS. You're there, your your bodies being controlled and you literally have to switch memory card sorts. Also, that's crazy. Will control the sorts or memory calssots with, depending on which version of the game you're playing, and it's like you have to do that to beat this boss, and I was thinking, this guy's making me get up and switch control reports. I love game design decisions like that. That's really cool, because something you're like yeah, what am I to do, and when you figure out actually not, then you have to physically. It's just not seem like there's even code right that you need to enter contry way is spin so long about getting solid and the code you need to Ank you thinking worse. Is called Ras is code. It's literally on the back of the box, the game box, may I guess. So it's like for digits, you have to put it in. You could have the box. We're going to do. And back then getting information wasn't it as easy just googling. What's the code? What would make you play a horror game and don't say money. I really don't know what horror films. I don't know what's what's the one element of these horror games at schedule the most, I think I feel like I'm on my own, like if I was like if everyone was like really like, okay, tid's nothing enough. Stop being a little baby. You want to play, you know, President Evil Village, and like everyone's like they're like holding my hand and he would do it. And you let me play under easiest difficulty in fine. I was just like, Oh, yeah, it's just offline playing games. How usually do. The thing is gonna Happen? Yeah, I thought I see something that looks grotesque and creeps me out and it just comes and gets me from behind them. One of these games. I'm just like no, not playing again. Yeah, the freaky stuff. I just be like it'll hit me. I was like I'll probably jump up my seat. I was just like yeah, I'm put this game down in the line.

Is the least of the issue. It's the freak the body horror stuff. I can't do it. You know what it is with me and these games. Right. So, fair enough, these Games are scary. My thing is the initial the start of the game is usually the scariest bit. Once you get into the flows things, you've been playing, you know, a couple hours, nothing really scares you that much anymore. It just becomes kind of routine. You kind of get accustomed to the environment that you're playing in. You know that, okay, yeah, there might be a Zombie here, they might be this, they might be that, but you don't really get scared. So those games don't really do that much to me. I can play them, it's not a problem. The ones that do bother me are the indie ones. I was just thinking of when I tried recently. I paid this of my own volition because the story sounded so insane. I think that's Moss a cool get me to play a horror game. It's called devotion, as by a red candle their tire, and these developer actually found out about the game. I found out about the game because this is whole her Bob, because they released a game after devotion. Cord. The sorry detension is the game I tried. Devotion was the game that got banned because there was something really incongruous in the game. Basically, you're in a tower block in Taiwan during the white terror period and the under martial law. It's very like political, politically, like that's political work. Themes in the in and there's one of the one of the rooms, one of the apartments. I'm like describing this really like vaguely. There's like a poster and illustration something and it's depicting the Chinese president as reader Pooh, basically mocking came. Basically, I think I've seen this, and Chinese the Chinese authorities did not like that and they basically review bombed the game. I was seeing. Didn't, did biscuits. Did someone do a video about it, like talking about the whole game? They must have done, because it was his name. Really it's really critically acclaimed game, but not many people in the West got to play it before it got removed because it was you bombed and steam and they didn't want to smoke, so they pulled it from steam and I think a couple of years past this was that last year geoge games or whatever the site is. Yeah, they said, Oh, good news, Western fans, we're going to sound right devotion on the store. So there's lots of height and excitement for it and exact same thing happened again, there was the Chinese fans of you bombed it. They got lots of backlash and then the end they pulled the game from their store as well. So there's also controversy. Those lots of backlash aimed at Gig as well, saying, Oh, why would you cave into the pressure that staff? And so what people did instead of like Oh, support rare candor. You can store play the tension, which is not a great game, and I read the brief synopsis on it. It sound really cool. Side Down are there? I played the demo. HMM, it was so frightening. I think the demo also part of myself. I was like that's it, like fade this game. I read up what happened and I was like wow, this is an amazing game. But I think even though I still know how every all the twist and stuff, I might still play it because I'm still so intrigued like how it's going to be everything that was described, because what I did play was really great. And this really is like a side scroller and it's kind of like d illustrations. It's just so atmospheric and so scary and the way the first kind of like evil spirit, like monster is like introduced. There's no fan fare, doesn't something. You're just walking. Is If you speople, all of a sudden this this thing that's there. It doesn't immediately respond to you. So you think everything is cool. You're walking, all of a sudden the music changes. Is Coming after you, is moving twice. This meet that you can do that. You can't find it. Yeah, because your character can't fight. She's a fifty year old girl. She's like she has like a physical reaction to being scared in the game. So I'm shaking your real life and the character shaking as well because in the monster that I'm dying.

So, but it isn't. It's just really, really, like well done, the way they did it. Like even I was terrified and I said I wasn't going to play it and I spoiled it. I'm still thinking I will buy the full game and play it just to see how they do it because, yeah, I think that's probably what would make me play a horror game. But the stories intriguing enough, because not many horror games per emphasis from the story, but I think indie games are the exception to that. They really focus on the story more than everything. In my experience see that's today. That's attention. But I've actually seen the super IYPACTROL, who did a video on devotion it as you're going behind all the political stuff, and yeah, it's a really good video and reminded me of a does another game that I saw. I can't remember who. I didn't play it, but I remember watching the quite a little, the thirty minute video about it. Kind of its Japanese are American. That's about a bunch of kids and everything's really fine. It feels a lot like earthbound, where everything's just kind of fun and chill there and the playground or friends, and there's a part in the game where where you're one of the kids and imagine like having fun fantasy menu way. It just like fight, you pick your attack. He picked your skill. So you imagine you pick your attack and the only one that's theirs, like kill yourself. Yeah, wow, yeah, and this is there's not there's nothing else you can do that's actually be there's is this nothing else you can do, and it's like it's so creepy because it's it. It really treads on your morality, like because the only other option you've got is to turn off the game and never play it yourself, child, for small, teenager whatnot. But those kind of games, aose, are the ones that are I find genuinely quite creepy. Where there's a lot of law behind it, where there's you know, there's skepticism, things have happened count and controversy. Games at Man Hunt, Games like five nights at Freddy's games are outlast. All of these have, you know, massive things behind him. There's the other one where you're in Helle. I can't it's called, but we discussed it once in the past. But that was also a game that had quite a lot of media attention. So those kind of games are the ones that tend to genuinely creep me out, not the jump scares and you know, monster shower in and resident evils not as scariest people make out to me. In my opinion, the scariest, the scariest bits of resident evil are the bits that feel the most normal. Black Lady Dimachski walking towards you. Oh, that's frightening. That's right, that is frightening. Oh my God. And the thing is, and it's up Mr x, the same thing with Mr Rick, because they're not running at you, which is a scary thing if they are running and feel like okay, yeah, fair enough, you're running at me, but you're walking and you're almost at the same pace as me. Yeah, that's a true especially, I think the cliff. I saw lady Tom Trusty. She's like stalking Ethan character, and he's like she has to go frame and that he's literally and she's stooping underneath the door. Friends just real forces. How how much bigger than she is, like, stupid man, think you're running steeds. How walking speeds?...

I don't know about that. Part is your you've been hiding from her. She gets a call from redacted someone and she's angry about it. She from the table and she goes through the door. Now you come out of hiding trying to, you know, progress through the story and she just comes back into the really and the only reason you survive is because she crushes your head into the floor and the floor breaks and you manage to for th and then you're just trying to escape and she's basically saying that you're catching and even's like do your worst, but he's so over it is hilarious. He even village is know what's better than evening by has it he's like I've literally wrote we had them back that. What could what else could anyone do to me? And he's indestructible. I'm sure it's a I'm sure it's a spoilery reason why he's just like seeming sad, unkillable, but I don't know yet. I actually I have no idea. I look at these situations I think, why have they not killed him? This guy's an animate protagonist. He doesn't I know a bit about why they haven't killed him, but there certain bits where he should have died. Yeah, but even if they're not, there's things they put him through that would have killed him. Yeah, that the people trying to kill him at some point. Let earlier on there's a major thing of Eaton's hand and the stuff that evening time goes through the so disgusting that Shit like this is your point, like earlier in the game where he like he falls down the shop or something and the people tormenting my like wow, you're still alive. The next thing he just doesn't die. But yeah, I guess I'll keep watching. So Nice play, because I'm not playing. But Yeah, you've porst a lot of up steal are you know what I've been really watched a lot of village, so I need to watch some more people play it real village. What's the first hurt a game you guys ever played or remember? You must laid, you must act, even if it was only this small those I think there's one. The play PSONE, but I can't remember it was. I think I played hi my uncles. I can't really exact name of it, though, but there was a horror game I briefly played during blappen. Hopefully remember. I'm trying to actually, it doesn't come to mind, but and try again chronological order with the consoles I've earned just to see his play. Any Horror Games on the sixty four? Is there really a horrible sixty four Gamecube? No, yes, too. I'm trying to think of as any horror games in sixty four. I like games that creep me out. Yeah, I've got several. There's yeah, I think I've ever played the horror game like. Yeah, going to line is given play it before. I tried out attention. Everything else has been second hand. Now. Watching a friend or one of my cousin's play or like a plaything on youtube was something. Yeah. So my name Games that have scared me. Was the first game that scared you, but I fool was the first game that scared me. I know mine was. It's not the game, but it's when I first got to Lavender town and picking right. That's all. At the time. I need a creepy baster behind this. It is amplified. I was was waiting as before that Internet stuff. My cousin told me like, Oh, this is like we would have pickme go to die and like you listen to the music. I didn't know it, but I thought I miss whom. Yeah, sees a thing, but he my friend, my cousin, telling me you're gonna have like nightmares. It gives children using was the kids are all the dead pokemon. That's what...

...used to create me out. I didn't know the time, but I knew that those death pokemon. HMM, but that's time. died before lavender. You just actually you know, I thought I've come full circle because I thought they died. Then I realize painting, it's not dying. Oh Yeah, realize that love is the sound that they actually did die. Music right to be that scary, but that's, yeah, like an easy thing. Game. I think me, I think was weaving a place you form sixty four before the piano. It was the eel. It was the eel. It yeah, yeah, don't cut the way the game looked at the time as well. It was just bare Brooky Pie, sort the ill, like my teeth lush. I was scared because it came out at me. I was like well, no, I'm look, I put this game down because it was when you got you have to go close to it to get to come out the ship, but I didn't. You know, it's them. What's the level? Called again, Joey, or was it? No, no, no, sorry, let me Google it. It's it's the underwar one. But who was called this too, and another island won. The worst. Is the US. There's yeah, it's. Is that the first water level? That's the first one. I was when you're talking about. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. There's that when the shipwreck. Yeah, that's what you be jow you er by. Okay, yeah, that one. was that, and also the pianos in Booge ranchhous, like you got interest to the piano quite a bit and nothing happens in second you walk away. Starts tasting you. What's the reason why the first time I've been probably scared in gaming was just as elder occurring of time. Just a variety different reasons, variety of different reasons. Even now, when I look at our careen of time, I don't know what it is about the way that game looks and the art style and the colors, but it just has a very creepy, kind of sinister filter. It generally outside of like the shadow temples, like yeah, wait, before them, even Great Hill field the first time, you know, first of yeah, even lass getting a hill field. Yeah, times scary. He's like the first time I had a pole, I was like, Oh my God, up dads to me. Pose. Yeah, pose, I pause the game straight away of that. What is this? Read that the hand master master. Sorry, are the wool masters are? Oh No, I was long scared, way before I met the warm masters. He always looks good before them. was well, it's just I guest. It's a sweet said I read. It literally made me shake. It was a screaming links shaking. It was that scream you heard first and then it was it's not as bad as the wind waker one, but still, when I think it's because they look so human. The ones are awkward mounds of dirt. Yeah, one, and when we could they look human enough that it's scary. Yeah, it's. Actually it's the way links stops in these tracks and his eyes are still moving, but he's body can't move like that. Just details like taking yeah, the I sing. I remember mentioning that. They are singing in windwaker. Really creepy out all because you can't see anything, but that you know something's there, because links looking at what is you looking? What is? That is such a good character design because I realized afterwards that what he was looking at was usually where you were meant to go. The hint. Yeah, yeah, looks like a sly hint, but the first actual horror game I played was alone in the dark for demo. Now I must have been about nine or ten.

What platform ps one, okay, must have been known at ten. I know it's gotten. It's got different it's not different names, a new nightmare or something, but he was called that alone for now. Everyone was fine and I remember, I still remember it clearly. You're walking around and you've got shovel in your hand, like a shovel. You're walking around the city, its darks, pitch black, just trying to figure out what to do, as you do as a kid, just walking around, and then all of a sudden there's a cut scene and then there's a dragon. I was with a friend of mine. We just both started screaming and we left the room. I was so scared I couldn't even turn off the game. Literally just ran out of the room and never played a land the dark since that day. Yeah, I finished it, but finished. I didn't finish the demo. Oh that's dead. And if it is a demo, from then on us, I playing all happy games. I didn't want to be stressed in my life. That can we but yeah, after I beat the detention demo, as like right, he's to play my car. I don't be frustrated and scared. That's it. I'll be frustrated's good. If you were to play like a whole a game, which one would it be, you think? How was it? You know? Of all the ones? I know? Or we keep the sympom go for resy game. Maybe actually tried to do resive, for for Resu for is not that scary, and people used to criticize the game as well for not being scary, because that's that sounds good to me and the reason is because the villagers themselves one they didn't look like zombies. They just like regularly. Yeah, put it what they when they regular people. They were, but they look like regular people. They just looked okay, okay, there was obviously some look so gone that. So it's just like a son. He doesn't. Hasn't been a game. To me that sounds scared than they'm actually looking on zombies game design perspectively, it's just just innocuous looking human beings, but they can kill you. kind of makes zombies new kind of. I think it depends because sometimes, I know when you shot them they had to sort of split open and then they'd have these like kind of think of think like parasite, for example, the anime. So yeah, that was a bit creep it wasn't that creepy too, honest. I don't think I was scared in that game at all. In Leon Kennedy's are more capable protagonist and even winters. Yeah, and he'd be superb, superlexis zombies and stuff as well. So kind of Hilarious of times. You can though that one for me. Yeah, I just thought it that one. Yeah, what do you think about? What do you think about the horror game movies. There'sn'try as ever. You even been a good because I know resid the evil they even consider they're going strong with these rip these resid evil films. Not They I'm gonna lie and think and hive the first watch I watched. The first was N Evel. Actually, I like that. I watched it when I was younger. I did kind of like it because I felt I didn't film. That was more watching it felt them horrible and my fame. I'm wrong in a way here. Maybe I don't know. I do remember the first one. I just remember one guy getting sliced up by lasers in one part when they're trying to go through them and then the lasers come from. My mind gots dised up. I remember that. But yeah, I did kind of like the first was in the evil film. They can had a movie nemesis. Yeah, they did. They did even nemesis. Those cooled. That wasn't it. The movie...

...is called I'm sure it was cool. Isn't even. But again, the game is three nemesis and I remember playing that one. I'm thinking about it. Getting US think about the game. There's rely for Free Nemesis. No Zoa still the scariest game ever. It's kind of yeah, all right, joys west it for Nowady's already thought was yours masters creepy. And then the link is that theory came out and it just got worse and you just like to think, who are these people and intender that are coming up with this stuff? Why would you even they have some twisted ideas. I think it's not fever as well. Think used to be a little boy with a little green hat and a green Shunich and now he's dead and he's going through the stages, four stages of grief and everyone's dead. And then the ending credit scenes a man has grieving over his dead deckie scrub son. The End. It is so peag like I said, Oh yeah, wedding termina safe, but the bottles to the sun is still dead. So you were too late to save all these people. It's Creamy, at least like the way that they were all looking like there's a there's a couple of people in that party. That happened at the end the end credits. That's just look glum and some people try to put that down to ours. You know, it's the limitations of the console, but it's not it for it, because let if I if you just think of my jugs, Mascus a game. I think that's why it's so it's so good. It's like Mike saved tirow and Quen of time, but by the time, the day now, he's already too late to save all these people who are so integral to the story. You can't save, what's the guitarist from the Zora Band? He couldn't save the decky Butler Sun, you couldn't save the Gore and brother. You can't save for these people like so, even though it's appy ending, these people say coming back the same the sages our dead theory and Oh gosh, that one got the game is just stressful. Tours. Still Love it, though. I don't know what happened at Nintendo. Zelda takes such a dark turn. Was the folk was the last game before occuring of time? Look for the past. Was it into the past, before queers? And actually I'm trying to see the Awkward Games. Can know I would have. It could have been one of the racles I'm trying. Yeah, I was thinking more home console maybe, but it's time consult then. Needs the past were including like all the Games, then this one, the AC yeah, because when you look at all the other games or the Oracle Games, I mean the Oracle Games are a bit weird as well. Thanks awakening. Nothing we needs is CASS I mean possible right now lost. We may be wrong, you know, it's even the dark quad. That's not scary. It's just it's more like years. It. Yes, not scary at all. It's opposite of high roll. Guys bid where we were wrong. It's not Oracle Games. That was rule. Opal Games came out in two thousand and one. Oh, it's just that was one game by color on. That makes sense. It wasn't that way off in the wrong kind of like timeline. But yeah, I think you had the shift. Came in a queen of I'm just made those thinks awakening. Also, I'm still trying to think of it all the past. I'm thinking of link, you know, on the yeah, yeah, we see this the issue because the game boy games. Yeah, it's hard to really I lies links awaken in your links awaken it was. I wasn't waking looks week. It was after links in the fast and before time. Yeah, those games, that any their turn was way different. Talking a time even before you become an adult. Link there's a wady sort...

...of like you see the staring of that kind of like creepier elements game. You could even go about twilight princess as well. That's got a lot of creepy dark elements and I think that's what that's why it's one of my favorite games. Are the stuff, because I was old enough to completely yeah tales, old enough to understand the themes of what was going on, and that segment right where linked just goes crazy is the scariest cut scene in Zelda history, not that they are. That seems quite creepy, but if you've seen it, so it's you must have seen it, like I must have. It's not the first transformation. CUSS, no, no, I'll send some way. Oh, yeah, please. Oh, I've seen it. I can't believe you haven't seen it. You're going to be GOB smacked. But it is why I'm because when it came out, like I talked about this in the previous party, still like a whole generation of home consoles because, like the too many people in my house anywhere to get but yeah, I'm gonna be reckon. Yeah, I'll send you. that. Plea is your reaction to it or actually, but I'm yeah, Zada Scary, reslue scary, the other games that people are you're scared a lot scary. HMM. Sure. I mean now that you said what you said about resident evil for and stuff, because I think the first isn't evil. I've seen game playoff like bright to the end was by a hazard from what how you talk about, like the earlier games where Chris Redfield and young haird you worked in main protagonists. It seems more in like a similar being of the last of us to me. HMM, then, difference been that res The evils is a survival horror franchise, but the loss of us isn't survival horror. People just find the game scary. That's really interesting because when I because I would have cost the last of us as survival horror. But according to like what of God, like, the game designs themselves so that it's not so home horror game to them, as an action it's an action adventure game. That's how they close it. Because there's zombies in it and like scary elements. It's not enough. It's past as a horror game. Like yeah, the game can be scary at times. But this isn't as a Bible horror game we've created. It's an action. It's an action of an action, adventure, action, something kind of game design describe it as. So yeah, I've never actually thought about how close in will have similar the last of us and the resident evil are because, unlike games like, you know, house of the dead, m you're looking at a virus outbreak that's causing real humans to be to behave in an uncharacteristic way, whereas where you have games like houses dead or a couple other games of escape, my memory, these games have being from the never world, from hell, that literally spawning out to cause issues. And Yeah, no, it's interesting. Yeah, house of the said used to scare the Shite out of me. You know Arkids, I used to literally you know when, yeah, I can't like scared me to I know, you need the insert coin. Thing's okay, game. Yeah, it was not like yeah, right on the real shoot. A horror game, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah, you know how we talk about that Zelda being creepy. I find the same thing with those games. There's something about the way they look and the sounds and the cheesy storylines. I just really creep me out. Just feel like like s horror. Yeah, it's just the way kind of it's like the way to come at you as well, because you just did one. You're there when they're just coming out...

...you and just trying to shoot away shore. You can't, kid, and he gets wipe you see your health go down. If you want it, doesn't it now mean it just swipes that you notice things on the time crisis. Yeah, that's time crisis where you okay, okay, yea, yeah, but horror. But the thing is that you know it doesn't. This is thing. It doesn't feel like do when you're playing dum in your you know, Doom Guy, do you guys? Feels very powerful and, even though there's loads of scary stuff around, you, feel like he's he's a match for the elements around him. Ga. Mean, same with quake. But when it comes to the House of the dead, you just feel like an unknown person, who person, who stuck in? You know, I don't know. Is that castle? I think it was a colting something cose I mentioned kind of yes, Castle, mention, and it just feels like you're just trying to escape and you don't know, you don't feel part you're really helpless. The story makes no sense. Story makes no sense, like as in the story is hilariously bad. Yes, like one of the worst stories you ever see, but be movie horror kind of. That's being nice very much. Yeah, yeah, just cut scene you talk about in toilet pens. Oh, you'll see. It's see if you see it soon. Ill, let's see that reactions. You just what's up calling hey guys, watch it. But yeah, Horror Games probably have had a lot of effective others on t genres of games anyway, like you said last the last of us, you can see it's probably gotten inspired as well from some horror scenarios that you said, this one that used the apocalyptic virus that's affected the population. Are People, like many in disease is on these like but yeah, and and you can it's taken a lot of horror fumes anyway. So you still got a seing where you're still on the run, trying to get away at times from the the onslaugh enemies trying to kill you, and some of the disc can be quite a gruesome as well, which is heart risk. But no, I mean, yeah, I just saying you do feel the impact other horror games and other or snaris. I have on other games that you would call a horror game themselves, but you can see the inspiration from with the read Dad's like captivate you. That's definitely taken directly from yeah, the heat. There's no reason for that in the old game. Listening all, if they bring readings, I fee wouldn't bringing reading about you. I don't know gay about these Horror Games, right. Yeah, is the fact that developers are getting better at finding new ways to scare people. Yes, which is terrifying. Example, you have president evil seven in Vr. Mean whole that. It was the reason in va, and I don't know if you guys have that one. Is Scary. She that sounds scared you to me. Have you guys play Vr? I've played Va. Yeah, I've played the VII. Yeah, I play. I played on the Oculis and I'm painting scary or nothing, but it's very, very immersive. Yeah, extremely immersive. I had to Google's O v are home voy was cooled at the time by you. Something that before while. So I had that and then we've done via. Played a few VR Games, like it's mainly the time we played Marakat v are A. Yeah, that was a Maria can't be. Our was so good. So definitely an experience I want to expel. Yeah, we did that a few times. It was actually CEO so good. But yeah, I can just imagine thinking of that. I'm just...

...imagined horror games in VR and I imagine now there's an evil seven. I'm just going to be delocross something. We are fire across the road. You want me to fall down and direct like. Yeah, speak of developers like find any ways to scare us as well, even like from like a narrative perspective, when most speaking about the last of us, I just remembered that even in the course of depth, sprain infection is like the thing in the last of us. The clickers and all the other like zombiefied creatures are the scary stuff. What's The scariest enemies in the game are still the human enemies, and I think having the backdrop of like the zombies and then these other antagonistic human characters trying to kill you the yeah, it makes it even more scary, like when watching abby play it. Everything about lost was watching happy play. I'm not playing that game, but like the game throws you, drops you in with the clickers, etc. As the main antagonist. Then when you get a bit further in, there's a bit where you're in, you're stalking another groups hide out and when the human spot you and you have to fight, obviously you can still fight, you still have like weapons and stuff, but when when the humans spot you, vests on the clicker spots you, it's night and day in terms of like the panic you feel like Oh bus like yeah, it's just so much scarer, I think, just because this is pistopocaly took as well, you bad. It seemed like the worst of humanity. You see it into that in like notes and staff left in the game, like what human beings are doing to each other. So the first time you have that in the back as context, the first time you encounter human enemy, you're just like bullshit, you really know what these people can do if they catch you, and now you have to like fight for your life. So yeah, I think that's that was a really cool eliment in the last of US good. This has been a good discussion though, and yeah, definitely. So when they're still want to discuss, there's Lew's Wan to discuss, like I'm sure we'll will be. I have another horror games episode. I'm showing but the right to comes out. Scary games for gases, which just scary games, just an umbrella them. Scary Games, games of dark themes that you may not be horrid, but you could do. You wouldn't be. You would be mad if someone said it was a horror not so that prioritizes family, because it is it like dad and Mara were. Yeah, Ye, yeah, the horror games to play though guys, sonic boom and sonic who's six scary for the wrong reasons. But yeah, thanks so much for this thing. If you made it to the end. We are, of course, still playing through as an evil village. So ch not our twitch for was academia to see a being Chris pay through the rest of residing village. Will have the reviews coming out soon as well, so make sure to get there's a listen just to see what we thought about the Games. Well, for I was academia everywhere twitter. We're out on Tick Tock. Yeah, that's talk over on ticktock. For his academia. As always, still going to be Pusson back up again on instagram. I've I've taken the executive decisions. Just keep it going and then obviously youtube as well. We could content as always, and will catch you for the next episode. I've been tid been joined by pond and Chris. Yeah, my guys, we'll see you next time. I take care.

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