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Episode 17 · 1 year ago

Spooky Movies || Episode 17

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

As it's still the month of October, today's episode is a special Halloween themed one! The 4 Eyes pod talk about horror as a genre and the ways in which it is depicted in film and anime.

Tune in and don't forget to let us know your thoughts using the hashtag #4EyesAcademia 

On this episode: @chrinkster @toomannyman @oluwaponz_ @estrella8_

Okay, I never remember. Anyway, welcome to for isaes academia, episode seventeen. Today we're going to talk about what hopeful did you each other first day? Yeah, yeah, yeah, we really. Yeah, it doesn't really. I should just freeze them anyway. Anyway. Yeah, this is all you're getting today. Meet you get, you get what you get. It's welcome to another episode of For ises academia. Today we are going to be discussing hour and, in particular, horror movies, anyway, and regular Hollywood horror movies. Also do with our feme of Halloween, which is going throughout the whole of October, when we play loads of Horror Games, reading horror manger and talking about stuff to do horror. So today I'm joined by poll. Hi, guys, yeah, still, Hey, guys and money. Hello everyone. So, how you guys been? Look too bad to be bad enough. Just another week or this covid what's here? There's not what dear to do? What you can reason surviving in it. Yeah, yeah, I'M gonna says in one here. Going to buy by the new rules where you can't go into Congo places. We've mixed mixed assholes. Of course, that's will I was just making sure it's mclimey May wow, you will rules already? Not, absolutely not. I've no, no, no, I was making sure that we will all still on the rap off, of course. Yeah, yeah, some of us are literally breaking the rules with our presence today. But I digress. It's been an eventful a couple of weeks, I guess. I think one of the major things that we've witnessed is a Kira. So Kira was we musted in K and put out cinemas. I think it was the what they was it? It's from the seventh of October. Yeah, it was a limited, limited viewing. So I think from seven to about the twelve that was sharing and the movie. So maybe you came with generous enough to invite us over to the premiere in Oxford Circus. And Yeah, it was. It was really enjoyable watching it all over again. When do you think money? Yeah, it was really good to you. We watch it, having seen it in quite a long time that actually forgot quite a lot of the plot and what happens in it. So it was kind of Nice, of kind of Nice to see it for like watching a whole new film. It was a nice experience of make nice experience of watching form K. Yeah, and it was nice to see how much out so many other people enjoy the win when the film ended. The had a week discussion one of th people and you just talked about how much the enjoy the film in different parts of it. Yeah, yeah, like money. It's been a long time since I've seen it, but I felt also like a completely different movie. There's a lot of things that I didn't get when I first watch it. I watched it first of all when I was like five years old, so there's a loads and loads of things in that you wouldn't really understand. I didn't really understand I was watching anime when I was watching it at the time. So it's nice to see it and look. It looked really good In't fork, with the art direction held up. Our style held out really, really well. Yeah, I definitely agreed. Apart in the course of all stuff, I feel like if it came out today, it was still be you probably ask popular. It's really well enemies and again what we said that I was STA was really good. And lest you guys seen it, you know I was my Paan was to come on watch it for the at the screening but things happened, such as the clues. Yeah, I couldn't watch you go. I will get around to which it. I wish I couldn't wins, but yeah, I will.

No, actually watch it. Made me when they ever bring it. You think they'll bring up k version online? Well, through me, I think there's a k BLU ray release that. I don't know if it's come up already, but if it hasn't, will be coming out very soon. So okay. So yeah, I may look up for that one. Then I watched a long time ago. It's very, very long time ago. I think I remember what your maybe film for. I just yeahs you're often for enough to just show anime, Mavie and things like that, and I was quite young at the time, but I haven't heard so much about it. I just thoughtld this is a curately that everyone's been talking about. So, to be honest, I can't remember the story. I'm very well, but I just remember how cool the art style was, very much you know, s nines like Japan like you're just so, so cool. So I definitely have to rewatch it again to just fully understand the story. Light and let me be able, so to in typet it a lot better at my age than when I was like, I don't know, thirteen or something. So definitely wash it again of fresh eyes. Yeah, yeah, definitely, a hundred percent. Would recommend it's one of the forefathers of modern anime. Great Story, great visuals. You can see how a lot of modern anime borrow, it seems, from it. So yeah, it's really good to see. Yeah, that was good. Also, Yay, were kind enough to invite us on board to their yea inside a program, a program but yeah, especially they highlight in black voices and black creatives in the game gaming space and they were kind enough to invite some of us on board gifted us some cool stuff. So a big shout out to them. What are your opinions on you? Thank you, you. What's my opinion? Up? I'm really grateful for it to be for two of the things that a sent over was a called for twelve months of Christian for psplus even also give us a called for play and on earplay. Can go on it and download differently games for free. And so for a Mork. For the next month I'm going to be pringing some e sports teams that I've never played before. One of them be NHL, which I started playing that with day, which is a more fun than a fool would have been. So it's nice to be because sometimes what puts all this is what puts me off really getting some games, the fact that I've never played the before and I don't want to fork out ex my money on games I've never played before. I don't know really, I don't know that many people closing that played it that can recommend it. So when you do get this opportunity to play a full game and for free, makes you realize how much I actually like it and maybe aften in the month I might end up buying and these upple games. Yeah, I'll stop. It was nice to see what you're trying to do with promoting more black creators at such a yeah, once again, as money said, we got I haven't use my courage yet, but we do get free monthly a player. So then towards PSPLUS. I think once a so the the EA play. I may dry a few games. I'm not sure. I don't really playing a lot of supports Gars, apart from fever, play pro clubs because that's always been hilarious, as the mats for clubs. But make a few other titles some play. See you maybe mad or something I may try out. Yeah, I thank you a for the goodies and the mark as well. I'm a nice new work as well. Yeah, I'm same as you guys. I'm interested to play some of these DA titles. Hey, it's a good way of just having an initial engagement with the game like it continue on with it by if you don't move on to the next one, and it's something that works well, shown to work well with Xbox Game Pass. It's helped tell more games. We know that from the day and statistic. So yeah, hopefully you can have your will school find something we like from the eaplay you were watching and has something to review, hopefully. Yeah, yeah, get on to the main topic. So horror telloween. Would you guys think Halloween? First of all, let me so, Halleue. I've never been one pin Louis. I remember that as a kid I did want to go trick and treat, trick or treating a lot stuff, but...

...apparent is always a kids. It so hard to do that kids that my street and stuff. So yeah, Halloween. That's not really be the least thing as such for me, but I said I always wanted to try to trickle treat it out of it as a kids eventricles you lever. How did it? Once, after being guessed for riot for years, I oh my rest we are you cold? It's like Lis got do it. I didn't want year to cold. You know, as I mom ready to go home, I never did it. Get your mom, let you go to the treating. She came with me. It's just like this is Dennis, go home. I was like it's just dead too. Well, I could imagine my mom allowing me to go to random people's houses, trees, no job run. That would never run. Lucky. You got too much. To be fair. I never cared to anyways. Yeah, I did want to use cool for it is from because we all grow up as well. See A lot of my friends aways talking about as a kid and stuff for you. Have a personal note. I've never actually been myself. And then when I was older, some just used to do and I was second school. Just try to do t tp into places, you know, the mischievous piece Nick Kids. It's secretary school when it's a getting Solos as the trouble for the year. That's an already been and I can tell you guys, you didn't miss up anything. It just it was over, hide, overhip stuff. Get talcate your own house. Can't lie, biloculates. And then, yeah, I did knock down the engine, knock down ginger. Halloween we did something that bears. We did. We did egg we did some eggs. Tell you what we did in those eggs. We did some eggs, a lot of eggins and running. But now I'm just never been interested. Usually Halloween comes, I just I just shut off my lights, Stu ocurns, just pretend I'm not in and then wait for the day to pass, or not to pass, for but with Coron and everything going on, I know that I'm pretty sure that it's not going to be happening to see like you just stay there. Odds and chocolates. Yeah, I will say that. How do we became more like a thing with age, because every time I had been parties. Yeah, it's definitely true. I'll be and all that kids stuff, the chocolates, LAAS addressing a pot. Yeah, the first Tis a dress I ever went into was a halloween. Halloween. By what did you guys? Yeah, I will as a I think I just you know, you know that people like sometimes I we just amazing. I think it more recent time we buys a bottle bit more. But, like you know, basically I was lazy. I just put on fangs, I had some blood and I just W I usually wearing it. Yeah, honest, that's what I didn't the scream Mosk much. I'm sing because literally everybody had at some point. I'm screaming. Yeah, I've been the best. First, just over bomb for what. Probably what I went is a reader, as he had the right when I got a reading costume. More combat. Yeah, that's the best, probably the best sense you just I'm actually done myself. Easy, Lazy. But the one thing I will say about fancy just as I found when people dress up there are a lot happier when they're at even some point. Is a lot more fun really. So I'm I'm a fan of those. Generally people making less and they would have a good time, I guess. Yeah, we dress up as I don't fish alloue. WHOULD YOU BE? Oh, let's say, let's say. Let's say we'll keep it anime. Who would you dress up at anime? MMM, be kept anime. Oh, I know, I'm so obviously I'm played the first time in for the last comic on and that was fun. I just Toppstat fimming down to ask planning to stop, as in the ANSHA. But I have the whole is my out. Okay, it's ready. That would have been my October comic look. So I think I would have just up the whole look. Halloween. Everyone's patterned the road. Don't wake everything the Farn, please. Ye, yeah, play. That's Max it. I remember the day that. That's still would that do for costume? And I think you at that day. He saw a randomly event. So you just costably forty minutes ago this guilty. Oh Yeah, a, that's hilarious.

That's what I do if I had to do someone to beat a Fago law. I want to travel to bay still. Yeah, just somehow get all these markings, everything patterns. Get that. Yeah, get the right father. I really want to saw it, though. Yeah, so you've actually yeah, I have no idea how to go for you. Yeah, let me let me just say Creu course, no, sure. What glasses on? Another easy look as if you easy, one piece coss better is what's his name? cockers out. We needed some body way and you're done. Just get the body way. Yeah, yeah, Edward, I work. How would you do on and leg? On my leg? Sorry, Oh, you's what about that? I find I processing names brandy each like I'll get there's dedication. You just get to get trench coat. Yeah, yeah, trage called white gloves. Yeah, that's it. I just get a gloves, but some comes as his rob that would be a pretty sick costume. That would be a sick costume to see practice. So I'm sure we will have our experiences with horrors and genre, horror, movies, books, anime, Manga, whatnot. If we're to start, first of all, we have our generally in any category. What is your favorite horror in all categories? What do you mean? Like, I don't like a horror experience. It could be a movie, could be a book, could be a TV series, but as long as it's horror. What would you say is your favorite? Want to come to your mind first. The first one that comes to mind is insidious, and I think that's more so because of how it actually experienced it rather than the actual vom itself. I watched it on a laptop. I'm a friend's house, downstairs by myself, in the dark, with one earphone in and literally every single scary woman that comes up makes you jumps and up with and so I think it's the way that experienced a rather than the film itself. But obviously other fate favor o from the choice that cheaps creepers who now me, I'm a street and as as of recent probably get out and just out the way, though it was made. So those are probably the ones that come to mind front. Want to be a few other ones that I probably think offer us as continue talking. How are you? Probably I thought that we had the horrors. Don't get a lot more guys. Yeah, one of those guys are already like corrors, but so they really watch horrors. Im Way back alive when it comes ups. But because I've seen what, I don't know what you say Lollywood, you know an I'm alway school learning with things, right. Did you go when I was younger? Was He now? Looking back? Yes, yeah, this is dumb. Yeah, it was like basically I thought I thought, you know, they have the special effects. Yeah, I thought that's how things would be up in real life if you were to see these things. Happens. That was that was a scary bit free I ad lolly. Would you gotta love it but I don't know, maybe Hor horror films. Maybe I'll go for why don't you watch many horror films? Of what's a few and there, but they'll go for that horror films dinner fodge genre, which are few. If you have to pick one horror movie, I come to your mind being a parable would you say? Horribly when I Waked unto a Chucky film when I was a kid. But then I get anybody watched? I've not seen the chuck. You feel baffy because it specifically color. Because of that, I'm not remember the scene. I just admit trying to...

...remember. It's the seat. I just remember was bloody and screen and I scream one another horror. From that comes mine. Number Watch the sixty mon or sixty four with hostile. That's a good from the hostel. That one was gry, but I actually could sit through it. I kind of liked Fosti with, funny enough, but yeah, that one's like that one. The one that comes to minds for me the hostel feel the first one. Anyway. See, yeah, how about us that? I'd say this is a tricky one, because I would horror movies because I've gotta have seen it all. It just doesn't scare me. It just I watch. I'm not okay, I've seen you before. Okay, wait for the daughter shift. All Right, who I'm scared? Ye, I'm saying I at my age of time, they just I just don't find them scary anymore and I feel like I look for other things about when it comes to home movies, like you knows, enough suspends, you know, like it just doesn't hit all the way. But I say, if I was if you'd asked me to, specially if I was younger, I definitely say that the shining, the shining had shook and I was quite young when I watch a shining and I shouldn't have been watching the shining once again, hom for in it late nights on or it cock came up and I remember having me shook, you know, like it just just see your different stuff and, as pun I mentioned night, Mone Els g was one else at so a lot of the scary was I watched very, very young. So I feel like I finished being scared like when I'm really now I's like, okay, like watch what his horror movies? We've seen this one before. Yeah, the shining is actually one that comes to mind for me when I first single horror movies. Yeah, I think my favorite horror movie it's hard to say, to be honest. It said not only would again, I never think that. I never used to watch him. They just used to be gone in the background and I'll catch that. That evil too, but never, never, really would. Never watched him. So little horror, I think. Obviously the biggest impact on me probably be probably be only Hollywood, and the Hollywood movie that probably comes to mind first more probably insidious. It's just the one where they're like church people something and then they and then they go to some one of the little point. Okay, I'm getting them. I'm getting it mixed up. Someone else. What's the film? There's film that's based in Finsbury Park. It's part of that series back what's called and it's got the which you must have seen it. Finsbury Park. Yeah, it's based in Pilsbury Park. It's one of those. It's one of those like insidious. It's part of the same families as in sidious. Trying to think on and it's it's the one with it's the one with the preachers in preacher and his wife and then like look telling might be not fisy part in field. I think it's in field field. Sorry, nothing controlling, are you? Yes, I am. I think. I think. Is it one that certain that decades in definity go event and it's just trying to perform one an exorsus' is a cosa. Yeah, it's conjuring. I think it's country conjuring too. that. Yeah, country, so conjuring too. So conjuring. Is the one with the little boy and it's the one where the main guy's mother is like a she's like could like a psychic because something, and they go into this alternate world and then they fight in some demons, some sort of there, trying to get the sun back. And the second one is the one where the house is haunted and then it's just weird. But those two actually pretty good. They were done pretty well. Also, like the assist one called again, how normal activity. Yeah, I like that. Yeah, it wasn't. Wasn't your scarious, but it was quite it's quite good. I did. It was very successful, wasn't it? Yeah, when that came...

...out with a yeah, it was almost shoe string kind of budget, wasn't it? Yeah, see, that happens in it. In terms of effects it's all based in really succetting and most of the stuff that, let's Scave, is just the suspense. Really see anything actually happen. You guys believe in it. That was true. Were I thought? I believe. I believe like certain parts may have happened because remember, I think it's the fourth kind. I've in a sitting with a film where the childer based off film, seeing that is based on a true story and have like video of real footage, every video of go them re enacting it. Obviously, when I want to that, Chaz search it and nothing comes up and I don't necessarily believe it happened, but you know, if you never really don't really do yeah, you never know. I know the conjuring to there's a recording of the girl that plays at the end of the movie. You can see it and years you in Youtube as well, but play that in movie where she's like speaking in a demonic voice. She's contating herself and weird ways. It's just kind word. But yeah, horror anime, what would you say are ones that you've liked in the past that you see? I feel like it's a completely different Genma and it's great, so go for it money. Yeah, so probably what Connors would say that I haven't really watched our anemy. Like there's a lot of enemy with horror aspect. I having assary watched. I'm just just horror anime in general. I don't really look for it to be fair, but I do really appreciate enjoy a good horror scenes or good horror sequences in the enemies that I've watched, for example, or attack on time, and is quite a lot of horror within especially in the ver season. Just to just having the feeling of helplessness when you watch watching enemy when you just makes you a lot more engaged with it. So, yeah, it's a lot of anemys of horror aspects that we like. Yeah, yeah, the same. So in terms of horror elements, if you were to think of anime with with horror animals that you seen, which one have been your favorite? Money is much to tackle tit already. So that as a good one. I'm trying to think what the anime may have for elements. That the ones I have ones that's been to mind for me alike El saying our zero. Yeah, will be one vampire, and I I just any of the really really gry ones El fine, often media. Yeah, definitely. Also, could you could argue monsteries? Yeah, I know I would argue that. It's what. Ye, you could argue monsters one as well. Do you think I gone? No, I was gonna say, do you think that horror in anime is can be as scary as horror in in movies? No, I think it just it touches on the point that he'd raised about some horror animes just having just that little bit of the horror aspect which not being able to develop it completely. Not to say that animated programs or shows can't be horrors, but I just just based on what I've seen, I just haven't taken it all the way there and I just don't notice. I don't know if it's because I've seen what I've seen. It all that, you know, watching anime wouldn't do anything, but it's just I think, God, it's still animation and im it got to keep that element of like how can I say it's like? Not that it's impossible, but I haven't seen it done properly and even the attempts they just haven't done it like even close to it being good, like a really good horror animated program or show or movie m you mean? Yeah, I'm in a similar voult. I haven't really seen much in terms of anime that's kind of scared me. All I can still that fear or that level was suspense, like Hollywood...

...movie would and maybe it's been kids with horror a lot of it's a good relatability when you can see yourself in a certain situation. In My id be a bit more scary. But the one thing I did, I did find of that there's a lot of horror Manga out there that I find is quite genuinely thout, genuinely quite terrifying, like most of the Jinji Beto series. I've struggle to think of many movies that have kind of Crupe me out more than summer Gingu Toe Manga, and that's because he does he does a lot of things that, again, it's to do, I find out, a lot of his stuff is, I. To do with the body, very grotesque manipulation of the body, like doing things like nasty right, just imagine you out like your skin peeling off, things like that, and sometimes it's like when you see it in a Manga, still's like you have a lot of process than your brain needs to fill in the blunts between panels panel, so you kind of do all the leg work and your imaginations obviously more terrifying. See you then. Most producers could ever develop a moving forth. Yeah, I just just the point you make, Chriss, about that, when you mentioned ginge Eto. I know that they had released the anime version of the mango not too long ago. I say not time, but maybe within the past year, and as not promotion as that got, it's almost like it just came and went. Like did you watch the live and the male of it? Because I didn't really hear many good things, or just a lot of talk about that adaptation. It was terrible. Nicely, that's been polite. It was really bad. Yeah, not worth watching and maybe you'll be re done, that Jug to will be done some death, some justice in the future, but that was bad. It's not worth watching. And did you do not have any it can creative control over that all? DDY, just say know his mustaff. Just going to do your thing, because I feel like that tends to happen, you know, once the original creators are as involved and for budget, as come down to budget. I'm pretty sure that's what's that's what's happened. He's giving them life, Senson to make an anime and left me to it. Poor, poor, poor studio decisions, really really cheap character, character design, colors, sounds, everything, which is really bad. You only need to watch about ten minutes a bit before you kind of make a precision. It's not it's not worth watching. My opinion, both found the hard. Not Hard, but it's not as good to see horror scenes or sequences on anime as much it is on Manga. In my opinion, similar to work. Chris said that your brain just feels in the blacks l seeing a horror scene in a Manga book in black and white I just find a lot more terrifying than I do in anime. For example, we have the talents in attack on time, like the face and the MANGUA. She's seem a lot more terrifying. Yeah, I agree, at in the Manga book even that seeing in Hunter Hunter we natural before he he does explosion. They're seeing the mango absolutely terrifying and in comparison to the one in the enemy dessert, for example. This is up dozens of dozens examples on the circle that when you read the man God is not see that absolutely horrified in and it just doesn't translate as well in the anime. So I don't really have like I do not it's not anyway. I have to think of where a horror scene has translated better in the anime than it did the Manga. I don't know how you guys feel about that. Well, I can't agree with you there because we were thinking of one's seen an attack on Titan. I think it's only first sort of beast titan. It's when he finally said send the titans on to that guy. I remember reading that in the Manga and the watching the anime in the man of how it was susplayed the Manga felt so much more terrifying and it wasn't anime even at the they did the silhouette of him getting his head ripped off in that and then it got a Maggot. Felt more bruesome. It just felt more terrified there, looking at it in the black and white there, I think how they, you know, out the Maga played it. Yeah, a lot more terrified. I seemed that I'm when I watching anime. So yeah, that's any long thing. We so I agree with mighty there about as well,...

...actually, that's a good point because there's a lot of examples like that's just popping into a similar especially when it attack on title. There's a scene that's what earlier on. It's quite alone in me in the series, where there's a couple broken building and two titans staring. Yeah, I'm there staring gun. I think it wasn't. I think I know you're too. He's not a major character, but there staring at him and it's a I think my name not Jean. I think it's the short guy that he was blown, but I'm pretty sure he's not a major, major character, but they were staring at him. Was the one way I couldn't move and it was his mom because that's all I'm thinking. Give this. It might be, it might be. I think it's that was to two titans and they were looking through the building and he was just standing there. That scene was terrifying. Yeah, like in terms of in the Manga, it was just really, really scary. The faces they pulled was so weird and they did try it lay up well and when again to the anime. Same with I don't know if you guys have what's the promise Neverland, but there's a scene in it where the sister, a hero who's looking after the kids, staring at one of the one of the kids who's up to something. He's putting something and it looks she gives her in the Manga it's like it's almost like you can hear it. That the silence means that you can hear the scene in the Animat was done well. Nowhere there is impactful, though, just nowhere there. Yeah, and how much do you guys think that the other art styles contribute to kind of the display of those horror elements? Because I know obviously different, different types of Manga Arts how their own styles. So, with that staid out, are they particular styles? As I was saying, off my Internet, Internet just like yeah, no, when you look at the duck as a Manga and you when your hits art style, taking any earlier chapters, when you look at you know I've got his past as he grows up and all the kind of hurried thing he's horrific things he goes through. I think, based on our her actual Maga, it comes across and it's done so well that you're actually really constrated about all my days that this is terrible. So this wasn't it? From you guys? Are the only types of art styles from my artist that you really like, where you seeing like okay, this horror element here. It's been done super, super well. I thought I felt terror form was some parts of terriforms and they did some add specs. That's a good one. Yeah, terror forms of me a lot of scenes which I thought was done quite well. Too Bad, but it sounds like it's Adams, especially that season, to hit. It went to Shit. But yeah, and I'm the MANGATA, I'm TERRIFM. Was added quite a few scenes where I was really good, I felt. Yeah, it Sudy als. So I've never had the first son and I was just going to say then the Martians, the really did. They did really feel terrified in the manger as well at times some year as well. So yeah, I think telephone was on a quite well. But Yeah, money going through it. Yeah, I was gonna double down. You said did the first season of ternformers in regards to how the shortcase, the the horror within it, it was really really we are done and I can't really pick point how or what what the reason actually was. If it was the heart spell or just the wait to put it together, because in it I think it's simple fact that when you're watching horror, and I don't know if it's something don't discussed before, when it's something that's really human like, it gives it more that horror effect. And Hmm, I can't exactly tell you why, but he's a bit more effect when when the the disentity is a lot like a human, but it makes a lot more frightening to me anyways. Yeah, yeah, and I think that's why, for example, one that we fail to mention that it's a horror Black Mirror. So Black Mirror is something that, because of the fact that we can put ourselves in these situations, we can actually we can mentally figure it out without having to do too much in terms of calculations and trying to adjust that it comes across as terrifying. Attack on time and is scary. But people massive beasts invade in London, it's just something that's not as easy to relate with. The and parts they can relate with, you know, overcome to an overcome by an enemy that's just far beyond your capabilities. That's something you can relate to on...

...some level or when you have, let's say, something like I don't know if you guys have seen buried with Ryan Reynolds, but basically Ryan Reynolds is is he's trapped in a in a coffin, and the entire movie is him trapped in the coffin with a mobile phone that's dying, trying to communicate with people in order to help him escape, and that level of cost claustrophobia are being easily able to relate with the situation is in. It comes across a lot scarier. Yeah, I don't know. Anime is probably got a bit of a way to go before it catches up with with horror in the Hollywood round. One thing I would say is that I probably cheap expectation regards to horror. Differently, different depends on the medium. I just think it's like even when you're set, for example, when you compare reading a book watching a film, then experience will always be different, regardless how much the person, how world a person tracks. Lets translate it from the book films is like. You will never be able to get similar sensations and for some reason me reading a Manga is probably the best way for for me to enjoy horror scenes the same way as me watching enemy scenes. The best way for me to enjoy action scenes and for me to enjoy a whole a whole story it's from the best way for me to do is to you read it on in a book. I think it's like different elements of entertainment or different parts of a show that you like, or or so of in to name the like, a certain way that you enjoy more, and I just don't think that the horror side of things anime would ever be as good as it is in a Manga. Yeah, agree, I think going back to the stars question, she asked about art stars, I think someone like a Kira Akira has a very, very good art style for that kind of horror element is very, very glory and the characters are very expressive when they're in pain. Similarly, devil man, cry baby. Yeah, this is an novel one where the art style is just very, very exaggerated and it makes things seem worse than they actually are, and that's something that's it's interesting. It's I'll class it as a horror but I wouldn't say it's scary. But yeah, that's got. It's got an art style that is good for for horror. I think the main thing with horror and the horror genres thats very hard to differentiate between the gory side and the side that deals with the feelings of suspensed, because in terms of goal, anime does that pretty well, I find. I feel, if you got stuff like thee and that dance, if you look at stuff like even even stuff like torcal, story, coal, Hor cutn no, can not say Torrica, but I I don't know why I thought Targo. But yeah, first of the little stuff. Yeah, just a lost a year. You look at that Maskt a lot of glory elements and there's loads of anime, especially when you look at the a e stuff. That was very, very graphic. But a lot of people would just be repulsed and not exactly scared, whereas its elements in other anime where it's like is genuinely quite creepy or your concerned for the character because you don't know what's going to happen to them. I was going to say what Christmas mentioned as well in regards to to night is enemy. They just think that it is an is enemy. Do we, the art stars were but then obviously just a very even doing that decade. Do you think that the arts that there was better suited for for horror than it is today, because it right now, I would say that anemy that we have now is a lot more clean, I guess, a lot more refined, or back then I can class it lacks a bit more raw and similar to what Christ such a lot more expressive expressive regards to the characters that they have in the enemy. Do you think that the are sub between the he's and a night is, in comparison to day, is more suited for horror or gruesome? GRUESOMEESS even I pass. I personally think that because a lot of stuff in the s and prayer was hand drawn. I feel like there's a lot of emotion that goes into all the pen strokes and people are they want their characters to come across...

...as a lot more expressive, whereas now, where there is more pressure on the anime industry, there's more pressure on your anime to do well from the fumly off, there's more and there's no pressure for you to generate revenue, meaning that you may have the skin power on certain costs. As we've seen, even in the modern day, some of the animation is free poor, meaning that the art style becomes an afterthought and everything just kind of looks the same and the same kind of generic, not with different content. And because of that, as you're saying, because of that it does, with those kind of things, you don't really feel as much. Maybe the fear that you really want to feel from it as such, the scenes that you really want to, that want to supposed to express like that horrify and feeling, you don't really get that as much because, as you said, the Costcar and etc. That happens maybe the art styles. The art style doesn't really eat you as hard. And Yeah, yeah, I think a bit of the heart goes, the heart of of the artist goes when they're not making it because they want to. I feel like where the anime industry was thirty years ago is not the same place it's now, absolutely cause a lot of it's just master were saying Master Duce. I can't really say it like that, but you they have they have their strict times, time to Gills, they've got their budgets, they've got when they want to content out. So you year, the high additional artist etc. Are It does it? If the star gets lost in translation by the time it comes out. Really there's there's a lot pret a lot of pressure to do good under a short spired space time. That's it's so much choice of anime now compared to before. So the anime you do make has to be perfect, where, yeah, the past could just be free to express themselves. They want to make an anime, five episodes, of making five episodes, they want to make a hundred. That make a hundred. They get their story done and complete and then it usually be left like that. Yeah, whereas now you got you got a ten episode series trying to do as much as they can do to capture the attention so they can get renewed for another season. Then they market a game, market a movie, as usually not very good. Then try and market a live action merchandise. It's not the same, but that's a different story. That's another horror itself. Just I'm just adding one too many's point about today's when you look at the art style, the way that mangus produced today, one of the points he made about that is a fact that not the new anime that's been made compares sit s and these animes. I just looks very, very clean. As much as we can distinguish the different art styles between different animes? Oh, we're all would you look at's very moderns, very as he's, as many said, clean, and when you look at many a manga like monster that was made ages ago, it's very like trying to use the right terms here. I'm on artist. I don't know about this kind of stuff. It's just like, yeah, it's kind of grayish and like you see my monster, hopefully I know, because has. It's very like it's certain a very gray. I don't know if art styles is gray or Browns, like very dark tones and even like the elements that you'd make. You mentioned as well, but it is the different touches of shading in the way that it's drawn that definitely comes across. When you watch an anime like one still, whereas the newer stuff, honest time and effort is put into it and and anime is given a very large budget, then it's going to look like the Spandard cleen anime, despite the fact that there are those horror elements in there that they aim to kind of come across and show to the viewers, which doesn't is which isn't always the case. Yeah, yeah, if you guys were to pick a single moment, watching or reading or whatever with that word with horror, that actually scared you, what would you what would you say? It was like the biggest moment was like wow, this is actually that actually scaredy up to other thing, but boy, I'm we by. I just don't like the button, I guess a little. This link s the first to ask this. Could I think one of them was a fustiking to anime is doing attack contat and when there's a tat and that been Olvera puts their arm on the legs and it's just looking down as somebody wide eyes. Let any person just standing there helpless that that seems a bit scary overly at the big buck eyes, like yeah,...

...did I think? I think. I think that image is forever actually in my head in regards to tackle down. That's like attack that and I think good that seemed in particular. So yeah, that that time by you guys. Just off the top of my head. I was scared, but I was like this is this is bits name job slightly. It was just a particular episode in Psycho Pass where the episode, I think that made me jomp was that there's just a girl, not trying to spoil anything, but it's saying like a boarding school and it's what episode and it's this girl was she's gonna a kidded. People's men talk about Chris for I don't know, but she's just a school guys. I kidding people. You that one. And just the way that she had kind of left the dead body in the way it was space. I can't really explain it, but she's stuffed like food in the dead person's mouth everything, and that was literally like the seed. I was at like it was a bit. Well, it's a graphic but I wasn't expected to see that. So I jumped in that one little bit slightly, but I thought like that scene was pretty well done. Hmm, oh, hard. Well, I don't say it's happened to because you really said that. But fast I think of something else that create real. I mean our zero. I can I'll speaking about before, but I don't know if you guys have seen our easier, but essentially there's a so the premise of r zero is essentially is that the one where the keep the dies in the days reset or something like that? Yeah, so, yeah, so if he dies, the day resets. I can't remember, it's an ability. Yeah, I'll see that. Yes, I've watched some. But yeah, if he dies, the day resets. But it's really weird, like memories of people can disappear. And so there's two butlers, right, and he's very close with one of them. And what happens is, and it's been there's a princess. Yeah, what happens is he's doing what he can to save them from a clan like a demonic could not transfer. It a cult. It's a cult of some sort of demonic call, right, and I think the first time he dies very quickly. Second time they chain him up and they kill one of the buttoners in front of him. Yeah, the last time he goes, he goes to try and sort out the issue. Thinks he's face. It's good at this time and I'm probably quite it wrong. It's been a long time since I've watched it. But essentially he goes to the castle where the princess lives and the buttlers look after the princess and everyone is dead. He's just walking, everyone is just dead. He's just seeing dead people left him. Right. The assumption is the princesses died as well and the princesses like pet is a mythical beast. So usually the beast is quite small and cheerful. was like a little cat. But then we see the beast in its true form and it's massive. And if you see the look on this guy's face, it's like for for anime. They did a very, very good, good job of showing grief. So the beast, the offical bees, kind of comes out from behind the castle, was massive, looks at him and then basically just says now sleep and his head just rolls off and that's the end of the episode pretty much. Yeah, but that was very, very creepy. Yeah, our res are a good one. I watch the fields. There's the thing. I watched the feels to the first he's so funny because a little first start watching it you think, oh, this is a slass of life's this? I mean there's a there's a bit of action and the first episode, but then, yeah, episodes, I'm nothing snapping it. I actually dropped it and I know a lot of a lot of other people did too, on the tilsted. Then I start like someone told me that look, I spik it back up againause I did drop it myself. So I need to stick it back up again. Yeah, so I dropped on an episode forward, but keep see. Yeah, I think that's serving it well, that's what that do to me. What moment scared you in in Hollywood movies? But what moment skid...

...me? And Holly was still trying to think. Think for me, for example, I watched the paranormal activity three in a cinema and for the most part that film is not scary. It's not scary at all. I know people are work terrified, but wasn't that scary? But there's a scene where the husband is coming downstairs, I don't know if you remember this install and he basically peers through his garden window. I think he sees us, his mother in law and a bunch of other wit and a bunch of other women who practice maybe some sort of dark, coldish arts, and they just standing there in pitch black. They're just standing there, and then all of us all at the same time. They just turned and in right at him, and then some invisible monster, whatever you know, you know the movies, like snaps him a half pie. So dumb. I was lad. Hell is this? I don't know. That was a sad one. I think that was the third one. Yeah, Jewish one we haven't mentioned. Did you guys watch the haunting of her house and Netflix? Yes, I did. I think that looks quite well done. Yeah, the one lot of moments I was at all like I did. Always coming next, which is read, and I remember the bit that scared me was when she jumped off the post. It called the bromised all that not the brother. It wasn't her balcony. Is that near the Stair case? Oh Yeah, yeah, the mother know the girl herself that she thought. Oh Yeah, yeah, but you know how the beginning we thought she kept you, that woman hanging, and the end it was myself are so we've literally just watched. It will come like that was quite quite well done. What I found creepy in that one. Remember the man with the stick, with a walking stick. They're really tall man. Yeah, yeah, I was like creepy. Yeah, that was a lot of people talking about that one when it came out. I remember told I was ill. You Too Watch says that. Okay, cool, I want never fix. We guys to give it a go, and I was presently surprised that it was actually a good, a good horror core series, because now there's a spiritual sequel. It's certain England. This one. I don't know what's called this. Certainly UK yeah, apparent. It's got similar characters, some of the same characters. Was it called Bly Manna? Yeah, yeah, that's it's a Rinna. Yeah, I think we might be watching that, actually watching it as a group. So, yeah, back to that one. But a stupid thing that scared me because the volume was too high. Drag me to hell. All right, right, at the end, I don't know if you guys remember, right, and I thinking all the movies done. She saw whatever back, the curse is gone. This's just gets dragged to hell. I'll show you what the hell was that after all. Anyway. Yeah, that really that's so funny. Flinch on that happened. I was at Oh, I knew it because that woman did, that lady say like you know, you're going to pay in it. So even though you thought what she had like, you know, saw for an out, you know now and you and you do something, because that lady was like the way you said your like you're going to pay. I knew she was gonna pay because the film was a bit funny. It was like it was a lot of comedy in there as well. Had A lot of guys watch over skeleton key and I've seen mom happening. I thought I have watched it. So skeleton skeleton key and so her from I probably gonna get a lot of the information fuzzy, but there's a old couple in there that don't talk and it's like a young, the young, too younger couples in there and and Cormon boy was, I think the Old Lady. It should have told the house sit up, that are the places cursed, that she's to get out, bread, the blood, the very block and I hard necessarily the deals of the film. But there was spoiler and towards the end the house, the house it is seen all this signs of a cursed house. The Old Lady, and that was do stelling out that the house is this cursed is telling us ways to protect her off...

...in him. It was the end of the film. She does like one ritual to protect herself in the Post House, not realizing that the whole thing, the whole ritual, was for her to be able to foot bodies with the old lady. So the whole time, the whole lady telling a house is because she's actually the woman that cursed that, but obviously she wasn't done. Her body was not going used to with He. She wants to take the other woman's buddy, and when that happened at the end, erratic with me. That part that ball was really scary and really surprising. HMM, that's a good one and just a question for you guys I just thought of and hopefully my connection doesn't like betray me, but us is like, obviously, no, pobably don't like horror films. But what there? Will there be any other any elements within horror that you think is missing, that you'd like to see more of? A thin point is like, like what do you think's like? Would you want to see more of that? We're that, you think, maybe lacking in the horror, in the horror genre itself that we kind of see on, whether it's Hollywood or even just international horror, because the Koreans, Asian horror, the just doing it. Chris, because I'm not sure I was not really a card you think, because I'm know horror films. The main part of it's just a really to get that fear in the audience like that's to spend, you know, keeping a suspense, keep them on the edge of their seats. Yeah, really, for that aposs really, you know, get fearful what may come next. Or but I'm not sure. I haven't really think of any food is it will quish about coffee, of anything to come to minds. It's a hard one because I found that in recent years a lot of the Asian horror film they did it more. For me, despite the facts about I'm reading some titles, I'm still shook and I want to compare to the all the hollywoods. You'll do the Zane again by despite, I don't know what I said after I said what I say off to despite. Yeah, I'm just saying that despite all the horror movies that we see tea come out of Hollywood and when you compare it with international horror, I feel like they're slacking a little bit and the system think that foreign movies they just have even though you have to read subtitles and you're still shoot. Just makes you question what is pollywood doing wrong for me anyway, because I'm just not impressive any of the new horror bits coming out for they woods in recent years. I'll be honest, I had never really been a fan of the horror genre. In honesty, I like suspense, I like thrillers, but horror itself, I find that there is an abundance of really, really bad movies and it just completely puts me off. I think too much of how I just realize on really, really cheap thrills without bothering to do anything with, you know, storylines or having good actors or anything along those lines. It's just about scaring people and I accept it for what it is. For that I do like go into cinema and watching someone shrieking on the chair, carrying and fear because of a monster popping up in the screen. I do find it enjoyable in certain circumstances, but for the most part I do want to see a narrative, I do want to be invested in characters and a storyline. Most of the time, when the victims in a horror movie die, I don't feel anything towards them and I don't know maybe even even if it's a that guy died, is a black person, Chriscause. Really always it's a guy. I just expect him to buy. It's not even a thing. Even by they even by investing in him. A most conversation him up. We was a few days ago. There's some but there's a film that somebody posted horror and some people sting the room chair. I think was a not bit of film. What TV series, lovecraft country, I think is okay. Yeah, and remember asking you guys, do you think that the horror genre has had a shift to a big change because of Jordan Peel and what he's done with horror? Because because beat, because it's similar to workers said, I didn't really careful for the genre itself. I think watching get out. And what's the second? One day he released, wasn't it that candy man? It's at him as well that someone else. Yeah, it kind of come out. Yeah,...

...you're talking about get out. I know us. Yes, yes, US, and even like yeah. So again, I don't really care for the horror genre, but the way those two films were made, I wouldn't, let's say say they were scary. Definitely classes of horror. I'm going to say it was scary. Definitely scary scenes, but the type of scary that they showcased to me was a lot more sinister and a lot more realistic than the horror that I've been used to growing up. And and I haven't watched the lover Acroft a show yet, but I'm getting because I think he exactly produces it. I believe it might be wrong, but I'm getting similar fized from that and I just asking do you think like the the horror genre could be shifting or has shifted due to Jordan build? I I I don't. I don't know if it's a genre. I mean it has to be. I feel like get out as one of the highest grossing horror movies. I don't know if it is. It's that there anyway. If it's not, it's one of the highest grossing horror movies ever made and that in itself changes the genre. Can other people do similar things to him? I'm not so sure. I'm not convinced. So I do feel like he's created in a whole new element of horror, his whole new avenue, it says, on dimension of horror movies, kind of like broker with Black Mirror. You know I mean. So it's just something that only they can do. So I think it does affect horror and I think people will take influence from get out in us. But whether they'll be able to do into the safe standard. I have you that it's benest. One thing I was actually going to mention before wards. How I don't know if you guys have experienced this. I definitely have more times, but has the legacy of a movie ever a connips the actual movie itself so like? For example, I give a great example of this when I when I was first I was in primary school and I was first told about the movie, some scary movie, the scariest movie ever made, the exorcist, and I'm sure a lot of people had two similar things that similar things were said to people growing up. But in my head it was always a scariest movie because that's just what people said. I had people died watching it, those of the cast that died, and simply because of that. Yet I was terrified of a movie that I'd never seen. I remember I remember a friend of mine describing the movie to me. He literally just described the movie word for word and I was shook that I struggled to sleep but literally just could not sleep. But when I actually watched it, I remember right at the beginning I was shivering, like I was proper shaking and everything as I was again, I was like hol on a minute, this is a scary at all, and I found similar things with so many other movies. It's candy man. Yeah, Definitely Candy Man. Nightmare on ELM street. I did a flirteen Friday. Yeah, what's it called? Even jeepers, reapers. Jupis creepers. Was a joke, because a big joke. That was I was expecting, like to be shock. I was like, this is a joke. There's more, there's more for comedy. Actually, I'd say deeper Cooper's I think I was already scared. All these films. As already scared before from here. Say Yeah, yeah, because sometimes people tell you these stories. Yes, verify and then, well, what you picture here is going to be a lot more terrifying than what what actually happened in the movie. Yeah, yeah, it's it's nuts. Absolutely. Not just the build up, pepooty, that's fair. You get to the finding what's in, you just like yeah, this isn't as correct up as everyone's saying it was, but yeah, yeah, yeah, I was just spooking. I think what could be interesting just to competly mentioned them. Obviously Chris cuts us out. It's just to talk about maybe like...

...just things we we would hurt growing out like maybe like superstitions or just silly like horror stuff that maybe really and things like that. You know, just kind of maybe ground up the horror stuff, maybe slightly diving away from just mango and movies, which is general just horror stuff. They just in the conversation maybe loop that I can't possible. Just an idea because just thinking in my head. Yeah, likes to cover still on a theme of October horror and everything. One plement. I'll ask if you is there any like guilty pleasures, like bad, bad horror movies that you still enjoy it? A lot of people just hate scary movie. Scary, yeah, the actual scary movie to yeah, the stupid one. Yeah, I actually like the scary feel. Yeah, they're dumb, but yeah, I thought a far be it. I think I like the first to maybe three. I remember it was the first two. Three up pushings in the first first it was free up. It's probably tooth to be honest. I think free is when it went to start going downhill. They didn't want to make pasture. Did they not really know pressure to make him? Yeah, I didn't think they work done for and beyond. Yeah, I don't think they did. Evil they forced to. The rest of us are, come on. But yeah, I didn't. I didn't really find it funny, to be honest. I think when the humor was a product of it's time. Yeah, I think I was the first watching about now I probably hate it, but I think the one I like. We are about resident evil. I soft spot for that movie because it was at the first horror, horror, quote unquote, horror movie that I'd ever seen of my own accords. As like I decided I was going to watch a horror movie and see what I watched when you saw that too. Fair horror. Yeah, resid Eve, what kind of the even? But I'm not really great looking back. But yeah, I like to kind of resn evil film. But dully pleasures. I don't know what skill fleasure film for me, I don't know. Like I said, I don't really watched them much. So scary movies, rhythm are you guys seen a couple? I've seen a few. I've seen a few years. That's seen. I've seen. So I've seen the garage, just seen the ring. I've seen the room was another one that was that was always told and I was scared about. Yeah, and it's not scary Hollywood one. Chris, yeah, was all I was in the course, of course, is the same name. Yeah, the real and then there's the grudge as well. Yeah, I need to watch both of those. I remember grows panice ring. Scary. It's better, much better. It's not scary, but it's maybe. Now. Then I was at home, you could see the difference. I don't know. It was a film. Will anyone's I remember, like I said, was a grudge in the ring that was originally from Jack Japan and then they pour over here in the worst. But yeah, I don't remember the grudge as voice is always make that noise. He wouldn't say you know that? Yeah, yeah, I remember. There was a whole jump scare era where people playing the flash games and then the face of the GROG poll. Yeah, those daring those are you watch your videos? That video car driving? Yeah, yeah, criminals for doing that. Firm that, because I definitely got. Got Got a few times, man, times I talk about guilty pleasures when you guys men to cheapest creepers and I much don't like it. I had to be quiet for a second. Was that at you? Like the film is creeping. So, yeah, remember the song and yeah, I still love the song in it. Yeah, did you? Because actually from that actually like wanting to your much off. There was a third one. Those films are actually I just couldn't kill it. It comes back everyone thousand years of stipage, a number of second time. He's got what full that I really like. They came out for even fairly recent I think that two years ago, four years ago was it, which it was really, really good, to be fair, but I again it wasn't really that much of a horror. Again horror elements, but...

...it was more of a fill up with horror elements. That actual of them obviously part to actually see that, you should read the books. Okay, I've been you read it? No, no, I haven't of it. Okay, yeah, the book. If all this is an interesting story. Oh, someone, that kid that year. Fair enough, idy. So I've seen it from a completely different perspective. And then, I don't know how this is done in the movie, but there's a part where someone is killed in the bathtub, a man's killing a botub. I don't know if that's in the in the movie, the way it was described was so graphic in the book. I was like wow, this is not. I'm thinking I don't think they could put this as described in the movie. They wouldn't be wouldn't have the same effects, because that was actually prop quiet something. I didn't expect it to be like that. I thought it would be a horrible a lot of comedy, but from the book the mood of the mood of the book is very, very serious throughout, even though you're dealing with a crazy cown. Anything you guys watching this week, finding a starfful wet, I can just say I disgusting. I came black. Is Frum Up. What's carchemist me? Yeah, even those gonna knowing black people something. Yeah, I'm going to start that this week. And then I'm also going to play go SIS. I'm because GOURSE SASHIMAS had an update. It goes to see my legends now outs. I'm going to try that out. And you game class and there isn't mean you cook one up there as well. This week. So that's me as well. How about you? Still I'M gonna have to attempt to continue my one piece journey, because slice just getting away again. Done. I'M gonna try. I feel so bad. I thought even an animator, I can't keep up because I don't even open an I'm chat anymore. kind of film would open up a tea spoiler? Oh me, I litter that we didn't animated over your ago because I wasn't today one peace. I just can't open it. I just because I have an engaged and I'm just gonna kind of beat out all my days, going sound reap to everyone else. So to try my best on the same mission as you, as though I took a chop on my one piece. Man. God, yeah, after do before I end in November, before they ended up to all. Sorry, two weeks yet. Yeah, I'm like, I thought of this. I read it again of date, and that's sixty three chapters behind. That's that's that's our long days work. Obviously too behind, but it's just life in it. But I will try. So in two episodes, go wat check and see where money and I are at with our one piece journey. So we're going to do a status of court into absolute let's go, I'm let's go. Yeah, and we'm not going to be doing we're going to start the GIN to connection. So it is going to we're going to pick for Junji to book with I'm mango. We're going to read. So I'll be reading that. I should probably catch up on one piece. I'm not. I'm going there as far as you guys, but probably catch up and our zero. I'm still reading, for I'm still watching through the yeah, I need to watch that as well. Second, second season. So yeah, probably I'm going to be doing we'll be streaming all sorts of games. Are You anally? Yeah, we may be streaming left for dead, but yeah, so those sweet. But yeah, this has been for as academia. We've been talking about horror. Yeah, that's get some socials, probably, or what ponds onto the tour and puns on the school on instagram. Still, you guys can find me out to show like ate underscore on twitter. Money. Too many men on twitter and too many men on twitch. Christ me, you can find me prank stuff on twitter. Creekst one on twitch. CRINKLE, Star, crinkle, Star, crinkle, my Nigga, crinkle, my linkol. Sorry, Nice. By...

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