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Episode 9 · 1 year ago

What makes a good villain? || Episode 9

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Today's episode seeks to answer the question, what makes a good villain? Is it the impact they had on the story? Their reason or lack of?

Who knows, but we sure as hell are going to give our opinion and as usual talk that smack talk along the way. This episode also features some new spicy agendas for some of your anime favourites.

This episode's cast: @tudzdotexe @theprimetales @estrella8_ @abi_mulan @chrinkster

And welcome back to another episode of the four as academia podcast. I'm your hosted dated and then joined by Prime, a star, Chris and Abbe. It won't say hi Yo a people. So on today's episode we're going to be talking about what it takes to make a good animal villain. But before we get into all that, we're going to check in on what everyone's been reading, watching and playing this week and also get into some recent news. So I'll start with prime. We have you been doing this past week? Actually, I've been playing the avengers by are and I got access to the road company and plays better yesterday, and pleasant say that they both have been good. I come I've actually enjoyed both. avengers could be better, but yeah, I mean I think some of the some of the character models on the are mad, like the hoop looks like he's an a two pay the black widows got like a stiff wig. Oh Gosh, baffle. I felt like you know after that. The gameplay is a bit messy, but I'm just sticking hopefully see if they develop and building it's I it's got a good basis so far. Reminds me of excellent legends. For those who played. It is the is it the latest game that that meme with hope comes from? Yes, the minicking puppy. Yes, I know the minica copy on. My God, you say the mint. I know black and about yourself, Dominica, Yourself Dominica. But yeah, no, it that is from that one. In it a lot of the character models, they are a bit shit. Remember Chris, Chris Calls Captain America. And what's all that? God, you called them Chris, large USA. That's the one. Such a USA. Yes, so dark spider. Can remember the rest of him, but they just look off. They just look really, really weird that they're nuts. The actually nuts. What's something? What's the licensing thing behind that? Why is it they can't use the like list of the actors because you'd have to pay for the actor's rights until like like screen right, so to speak. So imagine paying for about Doadny Jr, it Scott Yrns and Mark Ruffalo and all their man that for individual characters thro out the course of the game. There's going to have to be a big or buy up for every individual person. Where's with a movie is can do. You're buying movie license in rights and everything else comes in comport with it. Fair enough, but the game looks wise graphically as all right, characters are alizes, bottom barrel M joy's. Yeah, it's like putting a putting a fur engine, the volks I got on the box of Astra, no Voxo Astra. That's what it is like. The engines great, doesn't needs to do, but it's just, it's just, it's just pointless. On the character look a bit shit that I don't have the character model so at all. One of the art the customizations. I've always been a bit funny about established characters having play our player based customizations being able to do whatever. The whole put wherever. Funny Hearts. I see. I see that the whole looking like a Dominican, but you always have, you know. I mean it just all look a bit funny. So, but that, but that's not character customization. That's like a genuine skin in the game. Like that's a genuine like, it's a skin. Yeah, it's a skin, the character skin like it's a it's a pretty supplied character skin. This is Christ say. So I'm with the good that real to my couch customization. It's more than the Luke grindings aspects in terms of what games were compared to that, like boardlands was like the same equipment, but each of GM will have like, you know, maybe like nuclear power and toxic and all this other stuff. Pretty much the start saying, that same model. Yeah, yeah, yeah, great, and I still what have you been up to this past week? Well, okay, well, Oh, well, this past week, you know, I was really intrigued. Used to split tune with the People's and the months after months of just sales trash. My final opinion is still pending for the onnly a few more no times experience, but it's fun pay you guys have to say every inst supports. We really appreciate you going through all that. I file was not on my side. I said, you know, I'm awake. Got Anything? Let me just see what I could do for the People's and I was there. So make sure you guys watch...

...those clips. Yeah, I'll, guys, Ye, will be posting these clips so you can see what you missed out on if you went there for Saturday stream. But yeah, and Chris, we have you been up to this last week? Well, I've been playing quite again, know what, no way surprise us, surprises, but I've also been playing some moves on a black chronicles. Just quite fun. Definitely not as as grand because a lot of other our peachies. I'm playing in the past and I've been. I started and new Manga record of Ragnarok. Don't have anyone's heard of it yet. I'm recommended that for months, Bro for months, yes, but yeah, I started it all right, couple days ago. It's all right. It's not bad, it's not bettering. It is a bit is it bit it on the kind of childish, childish side. In terms of storyline. It's not really a lot of things that make sense, but it's quite fun to watch anyway. Kind of agree, and I like Bucky. Yeah, it is for me. I think it's like the the concept of taking like God's and humans are important, like human characters, like Adam, like I'm Jack, the Ra are that kind of like like Lubu, for example. Yeah, so that kind of coach that most people, if you played any form of game, would come across at least one of these characters. are known about. Your characters in general law and then putting up against a big gods like Shiva side and though Jeremy like that idea is great and the character designs for a lot of these character for the Gods, in my opinions, are really good. So I'm not sure if you've met buddy yet. When you see bud I think what is on my favorite design characters, because it's not how picture Buddha to be right. Cool I'd be. What about you? What's this past week thing like for you? I started playing awesome and that's all I'm going to say about that. So was it? You know? Yeah, I'm not. Schools are full of you like, because I'll know it for none of it said. It was and I was rattled. Anyways, I haven't been early takes for you and obviously, and I haven't really been reading any Manga. I've been reading this crime fiction and I haven't watched any anime. So I'm always been kind of bland, nothing interesting. Yeah, I think it's that point of lockdown right now. We're just kind of just float Cuz the road direction exactly. This past week I've been playing breath of the wild again instead of completing person a five the world because I missed link, and that's been fun. I killed a Lionel last week. Well, wow, queen, I'm so proud of you, so I'm so proud of you. So now I actually going to Hiro cost know. So that's great. I've officially made the switch from the one piece anime to the Manga because the pacing was kicking my Assad enjoying it so much more. Thank you so much, snake. So yeah, I should be caught up. I could actually be caught up sometime in my s now compared to when you look were forcing me to judge through the anime. By you like, I mean Ibb. I've won by what cost. Literally, you're going to catch up, but you know, going to watch that anyway. I'm sick. I'll be caught up. I am planning on one compromise I did make, because it's been everyone, even the people that told me to read the mango, telling me I should watch this part. Is Our watch from Sabadi to marine food. MMM please, I'll see. I'll try and see if I can like stream my reaction for part of it. Maybe, I don't know. Yeah, I don't the legality around it is because I see people who do it online, but they're like big, big people. I don't know if they've got some kind of like permission to do that. But yeah, bit of copper hazing anybody? Hey, more small copyrights hurts a couple, a few people store. I mean not. Yeah, I'll look into it and it's not something I can do the now. Definitely will because I think I need all the war power to ninety episodes because my attention span is too short for anime these days. So your breathe for it, I promise. So yeah, that's pretty much more I've been doing. So yeah, before we get into the main topic, there's some news we took cover. So first point I've got here is the actage manger being officially canceled following the arrest...

...of the writer for soliciting sex from a minor. So I've actually got the official statement. So they go notification of the end of actage serialization. On August eighth, Tutsu and m spied, the original writer of Act Age, was arrested. We at the editorial department are taking the situation very seriously and, after confirming the facts, we have had the discussion with the artist, to Shiro Sasaki. As a result, we have decided that it's no longer possible to continue the series and, as a result, the series will end with the publication of the weekly Shan and jump three thousand thirty seven issue, which would be released on August eleven, which was this past Tuesday. So, yeah, any official thoughts reactions to that news? was anyone reading actage here? By the way, I started literally like the first chapter ages ago and I was planning to continue reading it because a lot of people are saying that it's really good Manga. Obviously now it's never going to happen, but yeah, that's really it was. It was okay, like when I first I really I was Okid it could be good, but yeah, fuck him. So I'm definitely not reading it now. Yeah, I think from what I've been seeing from other peoples that people were more sympathetic for the artist because of obviously she wept on the series, but she wasn't the one that's she wasn't the one that's been investigate whatever, but it seems like an outpolling of support for her. So hopefully that doesn't make stop her from getting any more work. Yeah, illustrating Manga, but yeah, it's just a shame when these things happen. Reminds me of movie hero at Ski, who wrote Rooney Canshin and they found like terror bytes of Charlie porn and his computer and that was, oh my God, and that was going to be and that's some anger that have a lot of fun to childhood and like Adult Memories with is they was kind of finished when, yeah, oh, it just kind of like sold all these memories. So, yeah, it's a shame when you sink some yeah, did anyone else have any reactions to this? No, I think I'd say I'm quite surprised at how quick that was. I don't know if I wasn't if I was following it like in real time as house happening, but yeah, that's pretty much like yeah, and then I feel like next day I was like yeah, it's gonna write anymore. Finished and, as I oh, that was very quick. kind of makes sense for the climate now as well, like start fast. I think even it was pretty fasting. Yeah, even though with the present climate, I think we will become quite a bit jaded as the how quickly people who get caught like child porn or whatever get prosecuted. So how quickly he was like arrested. But yes, obviously the best outcome. Yeah, so another point we have in more lighted US crunch. You are will be streaming Jutsu kiss and this October. Say Yeah, pribed, you wanna go ahead and kick off this part, then what you're own. I'm happy that that. I'm I'm actually quite a shocked that the Manga but serialized or got an adaptation so quickly. That's the word I was looking for. I don't think. I don't think it's like past two hundred chapters yet. So for it's kind of such like get made of an animal so quickly just rattling to me. But I mean, I enjoy the manger as it is. I think it is a good shown in I'm when I say shown and as I mean like for what I shown it is. It's good. I think it has some like all characters and from the trailers and PVs, I've seen the artwork and a restyle looks good. So I'm looking forward to and some crime cho which I already pay for. So I mean, yeah, I mean I'm looking forward to okay, great. Next point we have is the XBOX use x launching in November. Any thoughts? Couldn't because there, this is your bag. Get it. Yeah, I got no opinions about the xbox. It's Cringstersberg. I'm not really I mean I'm not going to get it, Chans, I'm not going to get it. But yeah, I guess we know it's coming out and it's not getting delayed, so that's positive and I guess we'll get to see next gen and we got anything to say because we're getting it. Absolutely but that guys. So my question is, yeah, we've xbox now obviously making the first episode. We're coming out in November. Do you reckon so anybody? Yeah, we're coming out in like. I'll tell you about and try one up them, because I think that only the release tends to have some form of impact on long term selves. We got caught. Ask Yawned. I can't see happening. Man, sorry, he said that. You...

...said Xbox. It's going to put me sleep. No, I can't see happening. I feel like there's too much that goes into a release profile what we're in August now. Did have to have everything yet after they'd have to start shipping them in a couple weeks and they're still there. They still haven't shown like a black the alleged black design and other features that are going to come out with their still need to see a lot more about it. So No, I can't see it happening. HMM. When's the stay? It released for psive? A limit? I think it's. It just says houple day time. There's none. There's not. There's litter in a speculation. I think everyone's going to November as well. Now. Yeah, holiday tends to be December, Christmas food, but we'll see. He'll see what happens. Yeah, but then they said that last year and there's out for the PSFOUR and it was released back end of November as well. That November twenty first, I believe. I think by now in in the the builder, the build up for the peers four, we knew would be out in November. I don't know, play session of Laon that to be quite fa yeah, interesting, Um Hmm. Okay, and you guys are going to get. So if you guysn't get the PSFIVE, like on release, not released to me, I'm yeah, not really release. I'm just just how I am. I'm really sort of like I've got my pays for since release, pulling in the piers five since release. Gave every release only because I know if I don't get it on release, it's going to be hard to it's going to be hard to get it in the months following this. Always shortages, always, yeah, especially because of Christmas period in it. So it'll be like a massive cell or massive like stock deficiency throughout the whole of that period and then people don't get like play stations intil like February. Much HMM. Okay. So, in more related Microsoft News, Halo Infinite has been delayed to two thousand and twenty one. I thought some play that cricket noise. It is something that cricket noise right now, because no one fucking cares. Bro, no one care. Okay, because I hate I didn't put that. Obviously there's other people here. I mean, I don't know, man, from from what we saw from their like gameplay reveal, it just didn't it isn't look didn't look it dark, it didn't look it was the shit. It looked like shit, to be quite fair. So if it's delayed, is all right, fair enough, but non really cares. That much knows, I don't think. End I. Oh my God, it's delayed. HMM. It needed to be delayed. Honest, in the state that we saw it in, Bro looks like it was a pst game, piers three renders, but the grass had like wasn't it didn't seem really is stick brother. It was look like plastic grasss was nuts. Okay, one final bit here. We've got about the suicide squad game review. I'm not really into that. Comic books like that, Lolan Community Games, I believe anyone else. I did watch side squad the movie, though, and that was not good marketing, Yas Song for the game. So I am not involved. What is anyone interested? I would say interested. I would say I'm interest interesting considering not long ago we were talking about the one of brother studio gains being moved on and stuff like that, like wherever it's going to be shifted on and sold whatever, Irps and studios etc. And they kind of said, well, how's a game? And then now a TNT are saying that I'm not going to sell it, even though they're in debt, which is weird. But I mean I'll just assum is going to be the same as like the Batman series, at the Arkhama Arkham series. I assuming to be, but I'm trying to I'm interested to see how it plays, especially this is I squared been a squad of characters rather than an individual, like one person story focus. HMM HMM. If you do get it, please stream so we can see, because I'm not just sing, I'Ma tell you this now. I'm not getting it other M okay, cool, I didn't know I can asylum like dark and like Arkham Games are just not mysel game. Oh okay then, but there's nothing else anyone wants to cover? I think that wraps up the news and we can use your main topic. So yeah, just to repeat, today's topic is what makes a good anime villain, and I think just to start off the discussion, I'll ask the obvious question. What do you makes a good animal villain? Anyone want to go first? I mean I can, I nominate some one. Okay, I'll go first. Okay, just off the top of them. Change me,...

...hey please. A good anime villain is a villain who's a bit more complex than just a character that's a foil to the protagonist. So they had their own like ambitions and goals, do their own person we get to know more about them aside from the villain, as parts of them, so we gets near their personality, their background and just other aspects of their personality and yeah, I think just generally the things that makes someone a well written characters, what would make some on the good villain, because if we're thinking about anime particular in particular shown, then more often the villain is just a stumbling block or like an narrow like a prop device or so on, to make the protagonist look more heroic. So character that's got a bit more layers than that, I think, has the potential to be a good villain. Don't if anyone has any similar thoughts. Yeah, I agree. I know what you said and like how they impact the story as well. Like you said, it should just be a something block. He should actually have his own story, right, not just a background story and not just a tragic background story. But how you know they fit into the story they are a well written villain, is really important. Let me. I think it's relative to this, the story itself, as in I feel like like some characters like in their in their animes, they might have like a very shit sort of backdrop and some like that. But as a villain contextually in the like fairy tell villions, I don't think there's one good, very, very tovillion, even with the context of in the confines of Arter, I feel like, for Dragon Buz, which is a bit of a animal, I think that are some, for what it's worth, some good villains, regardless of the minimum confined says that is dragon was in the world of you're just going to fight somebody and that's all that's going to come from it. Like a lot of dragon's evil and stack. I think only freeze are has a background that is actually worth while. Here it cubs so battered and I don't know we're going to I'm not were start. Yeah, don't worry, N okay, okay, but I feel like, yeah, I feel like it's a lot of relative to their story. I think for me, a villain essentially is just the antithesis of the actual protagonist. So it could be to a major extent, could be partly whatever, but it's all about how well it's done and how well it compliments the story. I've never really been a big fan of villains just being bad for the sake of being bad. Yeah, as they want to, you know, destroy the universe. or I like them. Okay, okay, usually I tend to like I tend to like a reason. I tend to like a villain that makes you question the actions of the protagonist. But then, I'm sorry, but I'm in Molotion to your point that I know you like deal as a villain. So how does that fit in your general general but it's all contextual. So it depends on on the story and how if it's in with the story, fair enough. Okay. So with the O, for example, his that that storyline that Jojo Story and tends to be quite comedic to an effect, quite simple. So it works. So you not going to be, you know, looking at the same parameters as you would in a story like hunter x hunter or in the story like the promise Neverland. It's all about it's all about context, to be honest. Yeah, I think, and that's what you said. What my point like better than me, I agree with Chris. HMM. Yeah, and I agree at that point as well, and suchly touches on what tod said earlier. Like you know, villains like for me, just doesn't interest me when it's just like a villain smashing things up wants to show the universe that you've seen it before time and time again. So for me, what makes you really good villain is one that a largely a question that their ideologies and mindsets in the context of the world that they're setting and that kind of bill helps build the story and adds more characters. Actual Villain, not that they're just put there to be another character that goes off against the main protagonist. It's just it's just something that will, as you, some of you guys mentioned, will compliment that main character of and I also think that a good villain to me is also can also be one that you end up rooting for as well. Like, if I'm rooting for a villain,...

...then sometimes for me is like, okay, this character has been well written because no matter what the ideologies are, and they're able to fight for it and kind of just see that continuency being played out as a as a continuous theme in which ever Animel Manga your you're reading, when you start to kind of a side of them, that's when I know that that is a really good villain and they've been well written as a character. So related to that as well, because we kind of started talking about it, I want to know what everyone's favorite villains are and their reasons why they your favorite villains. Last tough man, you should have prepared you should have prepared. It sounds like you prepared prime. Do you want to kick it on it and waiting gone? Well, I mean that's about freezer. No, no, we'll building. We're building, we're building. Do I've cover different this today in it? Oh, I thought come from a freezing freezing freezers there, but I'll come of a slightly varied list. So I'm to show good Ma Kashima from psychopass. I think he's a good billink within the confines of PSYCHOPASS. I think psychobast all about people's hues or kind of like morality being predetermined of pre judge before they can even make those actions, and I think show go just wanted to liberate humans and kind of live them, allowed to be free, be evil or good. So I think that as a as antagonist for me is that he's fighting its air system. So basically out finding it's injustice. Also on my list I've got a Roti more organized, like an outline one to throw him in there because I enjoy but my thing for him is he's only downfalls that he's greedy and I think, I think that, I think that's that what makes them a good villain to me. That but he also saved the world's like. So without their animation juice, who would we have? No returns us together with the other today. No, so I think right fromorrows one obviously freeze are I'm gonna Putt he just a business man. We can argue about him later on. And you. Yeah, I think you're it's been a long time since I've watching her. Also, it's hard for me to really remember how much I like to rich you, mury. I hate them, but what I do remember is that I hated him, which means, yeah, it must have been a decent villain. So running the DRI him. Yeah, I didn't like house, I didn't like how slamy was and it didn't like his relationship with kids. Yeah, okay, finished. Okay, yeah, God, sounds villainess to me. I guess he's probably one of the better evidence, in my opinion. Yeah, definitely better than mother and my opinion, I don't know, almost forget that she exists. Yeah, exact, the whole whole portion of the kind of block it out my mind. Yeah, exactly. Same. Let's not forget in Richa's biggest villain, cagy. I was upset that she got that she was a child and had no COGIA. This is a thing, like, I don't know, cause she the main villain. What she got in the final villain. Yes, I'm find a boss at level nineteen, final boss and got killed by but you know, you know what, when you complete see fire, are you defeating Bison? And then for this acute comes in out of nowhere and it's like, Oh, I'm he beats up, he beats up bysons, like actually, I'm the real boss. That's exactly what it is. Yeah, came out of nowhere. It was needed. It's like, okay, like we get it, like, like the spoke about matter of for so long as that right. That's bring him in. He's the boss. That's all right. Finds actually psych we pump faked you. It's Cagy that. It's like mess. We've sprinkled a bit of Pars the like, maybe in the base on the return, a bit of shipperd and and here she is now. Okay, what does that mean to me? I did really like pain. Yeah, yeah, I like then up until originally was yeah, he fell in love. His introduction was really really good. Man. Yes, so so good, so so good. I'll never forget. When you see the first image of him sitting on that massive the ghettos coming, you call it. Yeah, sitting on it. You just see like these running get part of his face. Yeah, you don't see's running one in, you just see like a part of his face at the bottom of his mouth, and he sees in a mass. He's in a taxi here, hide up. Yeah, that's what that's what that was. It will sound on the fingers in it. Yeah, yeah, so when the yeah, around that time. Yeah, he was really after pain, I mean after this. It's the same thing with be just that breach should end, revis and, but it's like let's let's get somewhere. Yeah, I think who could have ended during the war. Yes, very stays, but but I feel like because they wanted to go beyond the war, they...

...made the ending of the war kind of stupid. Wouldn't really end. Yeah, yeah, I didn't really. What's his that's create it. It really end? To be honest, I ton't avoid spoilers, but yeah, it's just it didn't really end. It's kind of like, well, Harry is here we go. HMM, level up has new villains are okay, and what about you guys? Like I'll be your villains to me them and I'm listening. It's not for some shit ones. Why, I mean, okay, anyways, I like Eizone, I think. Are you serious? anyways, I like eyes and fuck you guys. I think he's one of the best room characters. Engach, hold on me. I mean it's not really a compliment, but he is like curly reach. Tell me eysen's ambishop motizen's ambition. I do remember. I just I liked him. I remember what beating years contact lenses. He's there for. If he said for head, great, so let me take up my glasses and you some hair. Grim head, Joel, and it's a different done. Yeah, what's all right? Okay, anyways, as I was saying, yeah, asn't is one of my favorites. My other favorite, which I'm not even insult, is black beard. I like. I know why? Someone. That's why. That's your honest yeah, but yeah, all of the one piece villains, black beard is. Yeah, I mean I like him. Yeah, you got my all time favor I do. I do know that villains are best, but I said put your favorite pirate because you see, opinion for me, I'm not saying he's the best villain. I'm saying I like him. For me, that's the distinction will make when we talk about our favorite whatever exactly, because it's better ones. But we have our okay, okay, okay, reason why? May I ask why he's your favorite? I just said he's some only. That's why. Also, is that a quite steria? That? Yeah, yeah, there was. Yeah, I mean, there's up to you. If you like, you like Aligerian Villain. And then, yeah, I like Mr lost. Sorry, I said Mr Echo from lost for of course. Okay. And my third one is griffith. I like him, like Griffith, or you just under that mean he's as in there's a villain. I was not as a person or anything. I don't know. I really I don't know. I enjoyed the fact that we got to see him before he was a villain. I was proper attached to him, and then when he became a villain, I was catching because why was I attached to him? HMM, because I don't know. I felt for him. I felt for his you know, I like him as a character. I don't know. I might being interrograted because you make me leave me alone something. In the spot, I liked him and when he became a villain house proper like conflicted. I was like no, he's that Pie. Stop. Like when, like I was just I don't know, like I was really upset. I was personally hurt about all the things that he did. Like I felt it after was a personal attack. B I people felt like, you know, did he like I understood the reasons why he chose to Transform, but, you know, all the things was just really kind, was I mean at the time I really can't remember why I transformed. By the time I was thinking, okay, I'm somebody said Yes to the transformation for like I have nothing left, like he was on the SID wasn't he? You know, suicide or some point. He had nothing left for him. I can just said, you know what, yes, like I mean I, yeah, after he got tortured in it. You got tortured. His friends have just rescued him. I mean, I guess, yeah, yeah, to be honest, at that point, yeah, I understand. I when these friends came to rescue him. I didn't know that because I've never watched, I never read bisert before this. I didn't know anything about griffiths. I remember proper rooting for him and everyone was out to me. Oh, just wait, just wait. And so I didn't think that at that point he was gonna transform. I genuine was in a run away with his friends and they happily laughter. But yeah, so, I I mean I wasn't I wasn't sad that he transformed. I was just pissed...

...a by everything else. I came afterwards like him, you know, destroying his was it tried plan whatever, and what he did to Cascar was unforgivable. So yeah, it was just he was a good villain, but from you know, just the way he was written everything. But yeah, he was trash. I think the hate that he made me, though, after loving him so much, made him a good villain for me. HMM, yeah, that's me. Only I need. I need essays. I will. You're saying yours byways. No, you, that's what's wrong. You know, to do pe on my point your phone. So it's a meet in no particular order. So some of the favorite some of my favorite villains are the Flamingo show, conversate, Shogo, my Kashima like prime, and also light from death note, and so I would like. I like all three of them for different reasons, because of the going for me yeah, he's not that the last to best debatable, but he could be perceived as one. Don't faming go like is a villain because, like, when you read them on piece of Manga, like they hype this guy up for for how many chapters have that? He was mentioned even before that he was first appeared. So I think that the build up for that will me. I was like, okay, I this is that. What kind of villain is he? And I feel like he's a well written the villain and particularly, I'm not trying to spoil anything, but particular on some of the things he does and he's back story really explains why he becomes a villain that he is. So that's one of the things that I really intrigued me as to that how ODA wrote him, showed Joe, showed Joe, show him a Kassimo from a psychoplasts and it is a really, really well written villain, and I think because the actual Magriet self is quite relatable to real life as well. So here main kind of reason for doing did was trying to help people regain the ability to be to be independent from the simple system, to regain the ability to think for themselves. Although although he went about it, and not the best way. He's kind of his motors were justified in the setting of the PSYCHOPAST anime. So I find it really interesting just watching that and kind of hearing his thoughts in each each episode in the Anime, trying to understand why he felt the way he that he did. So He's, I think that he's quite a worry and villain and light, I said prime. He's not really a vidden but he could be perceived as one and, like my Kashima show go, like his reasons for wanting did to kill off all all of the criminals and that tickular world were justified as well. So it's interesting how you kind of just see him go from him being seen as like a good character doing good and then him thinking that he's God and controlling the way, you know, the world works. So there's those on my three. HMM. Well, again it and me, Chris. Sorry, WHO's up? Yeah, no, not, just because he was, you know, a empty fair and fair enough gay. So I'll go for my one. Think my favorite probably Yo Han Lieber from monster. Hmm, I thought he was a for is a very, very dark individual. It's just the way he kind of manipulated everyone he came into contact with to the point where he he made he made the main character do things that were almost unfathomable right the start of the actual anime. Without spoiling it, it's just the main the main characters of doctor and he's making a doctor do things doctor shouldn't do. We're very, very little actual external influence. He's just does things, he poisons with people's minds, takes people into dark places and it's just the way he detaches himself from the situations that's just kind of like really shocking. But yeah, he's a really good villain, I'd say. My second I'd go for is Griffith, I'll be said, and that's mostly because of just the actual complete change in tone in his character to the point where he's got what like two personas. Essentially, I thought he was well, what he...

...did, first of all, was a completely outrageous and I think I don't know how you defend that, to be honest. Yeah, but I feel like people do because it's trendy. Yeah, sure, yeah, but he's that. You're like, Oh, no, it wasn't that bad in that wait, huh. No, he did not let people literally strap say he did nothing wrong and that makes me. Yeah, Griffith did nothing wrong. As a trend, I think it's been going on someone's album. I think Tis knows. They depart member and he's going and he's got an image. So, like Goodff, I came with the name of the others. We Rob Bank. Yeah, was, yeah, that's it, only we. But yeah, he's a really good villain. My third one, it was hard to pick, but I'm probably gonna go with mirror. I was gonna go with dear, but I'm going to pick mirror him instead. On Him, but that's mostly because, especially the way he went, he goes out, it's like you generalely, you genuinely feel for him. You're outside and you kind of you kind of understand him by the end. It's quite interesting. It's like a child. So his whole thing. Obviously he grows up. He's born as born in as a king, and he looks down on humans. He doesn't see them as he sees especially with I think he has a major, major problem with royalty, just inheriting power and he feels like power should be like I like, if you're going to be powerful, you should be able to, you know, display that you should have those qualities about you. You should work yourself and ground up, which obviously a lot of people can agree with. He slowly but surely kind of becomes more human as a series goes on, and I think the reason it's so sad is because by not just before he dies, you could see him getting along with a lot of the the main cast in terms of how he thinks, how how he responds to things. And also, I think one of the major, major things and major reasons I like moments because of the contrast between him and gone. Just as he's becoming more and more human, gone is just, you know, going down downward spiral to a point where he completely loses himself, and I think that contrast in that Ark and the camera and arc is that it's really good. It's really interesting. But y'all go. I'll go for those three. Yeah, I think I kind of thought that. I yeah, I just would be a breeze. I could just do it like a fine art but then, as for other research, against anything like Oh why? Actually to ask know, why do I like those character? So it took me a minute, but I do have free one of them is Marrim for similar reasons, is Chris, basically everything he said, but also just the fact that we went on like a journey with him. By the end of the TIMERA and arc he'd become he'd become such a like layered character. Went from being pretty like two dimensional, like I'm here, I look down on humans, you would like God, complex and like kind of like black and white. And with his with the more interactions he had, especially with comugi anything else that happened in the story, it just humanizes him more and more. He doesn't ever stop being the villain of that arc, but he does become a lot more real, I guess, for lack of a better term. So you definitely sympathize with him a lot by the end of the ARC and yeah, he's one of my favorites for sure. Just would like the, I guess, the emotional impact of his story and how everything ended. I also had lad Russer from the corner and so I, like you says, really he's, for those we haven't watched Pcano, he's a hit man for one of the Mafia families, the Resso family and Chapago. So yeah, he's just a very enthusiastic murderer and it doesn't mainiact literally a lunatic. But just watching him, watching his scenes, and this is coming from someone who usually doesn't have the attentions down for anime, watching him like in this show is just so delightful. Like he's just really like cool character to just like observe and for him. Think one of the things that makes him interesting to me is that healing to him isn't a matter of good and evil. It's it's just him is completely motivated by his own personal beliefs. Okay, yeah, he's a psychopath, but it's still, yes, it's still really interesting. Like, despite that, he definitely has he's not...

...like indiscriminate with his way murders people. He seems to have a preference for killing people who seem to not fear death, as if to almost like fear them wrong, like like proved them wrong, like he's basically like they're reckoning or whatever. But yeah, he's just a really cool character and I think the Creator himself said that he's one of his favorite characters, and you can definitely get that justine watching him. And my third favorite villain is Karrios chicage from Jojo's. Yeah, and the thing I like the most about kious character is that okay, he's undoubtedly a villain. He's literally a serial killer, but he has he has no grand ambitions for power or evil. He just wants to live a peaceful life during his tea enjoy these fine things. He just so happens to enjoy murdering young women and cutting off their hands, and that gets that kind of just like gets in the way of everything else that would otherwise mean a peaceful life for him. And so I think his character is relatable while not being sympathetic, and I think that makes him feel really like, makes him for more human and more real, and I think proper writing would be easy for a cat to like that to fall flat, because it shouldn't be that interesting that that's the only thing that makes an evil is that likes to collect him in hands. But what it really works and in the in this and I really like that cousin the same series, where you have a binning idea who is just like evil for Evil Sake, for evil sake, he's like he woke up in the morning said I think I will cause trouble for no reason, like love, so simple, such a guys. I thought he became evil because I watched showed his years ago. I never finished because just, I don't know, I just never back on to it. But I thought that even those came from the fact that what's the other guy's name was like his favorite, dad's favorite or something from no, no, but he yeah, they're just Deo is always evil before that. Yeah, yeah, the I mean deal is always treated very equally. Yeah, yeah, even by the adoptive dad. No, and you treat girl, but even. Yeah. Well, yeah, that's a precisue. Oh yeah, but okay. But yeah, I think in the C I just really appreciate that. In the same seas or you have a villain who's as black and white as dear, you can have someone like Kara. HMM. Yeah's are my three. I think I really like deal because of his actual performance. Yeah, because of his reasonings an actor, definitely. Yeah, every the way he talks, though he walks. Okay. So if that point about villains without newance, he just like to cause trouble. According to each of you, there's a villain that is evil just for evil, say, bring down your story. No, I think, then, that it depends on what kind of series are watching. If it's only that slight hard that I shouldn't be taken seriously. Then I think, yeah, you can't have a villain that's just evil for no reason. Then if you're watching like a series which has a bit more backstory, requires a bit more thinking, and they just drop a ving like that, then it does. Then I would agree. It does bring it down. Yeah, I agree. I enjoy, like both the villains that have ambitions and tragic back stories and layers and whatever, and I enjoy the ones are just evil for evil sake, like as long as they're interesting, as long as there's something making watch them, like their personality are you guys talk about their own he's an interesting character. But yeah, like I really enjoy the ones that just caused terror and just destruction and whatnot. And it's also satisfying, like when they are destroyed, like when when they're when they get rid of them, it's like, okay, all that you've done is enough now and you're done. The other villains, they believed on this orders too much at all, right, Pante or they we've done is enough. Like I enjoy them. And then the other villain ends that are like more humanized, like you know the backstory and whatnot. A lot of the Times that for me anyway, I feel like towards the end I'm not really set mostly with shown and I'm not really satisfied with how they're that dealt with. Like usually it's, ever, because the protagonist of the hero kind of like makes them see the light and all of a sudden they're like friends. Or maybe they just decide, you know what, maybe my path isn't the correct one, so let me make them, let me be, let me do something good, or you know, or maybe I feel sorry for them. So then I don't want them to be destroyed. So I think that's the only downside to the ones that are like more layers for me, that I'm never really satisfied with how it ends.

I think at I'm Miriam, Miriam, Miriam, I don't know my Merriam. You Know Mariam? Yeah, everywhere. Who Am? I'm really cool, many man, Mary Wem or Wello, yeah, that's that. Ye as well, that's what was in the chat. anyways. Yeah, yeah, he's the only one that actually reading the KINK. Oh King, sorry, I'm so very sad. Good mud. anyways. Yeah, he's the only one I fool a house as by the power ended, but other times in Ronan I don't really like how they do with a villains the end. They yeah, Fum, I feel I was. I thought. I feel like there are some villains that ruin an amaze even more because of how simple there like. I'm a name two. I'm on one, but I think I've talked about all the time. Broly from jungles. Yeah, he wasn't really a villain though, probably. Yeah, but bottom one villain of dragon ball series of all time. Facts, not fiction. But what someone she tell you why? His Gripe is that she tried to sleep and go kills crying. That that's his gripe. Obviously. Are you serious? I thought like that. I'm finished. You could justify that little watch it. So don't create. You know you can't now, but I'm not. I'm not going to spend my life did get into punching you up because you cried when I was trying to sleep. Dog. Well, babies, I'm not growing ASS. One baby that is DM more noble than really then, would you argue? No, no, I don't. I don't think. No, Belle to come, I feel like there's just reasons to fight. Some of these reasons to not like if you are born and bread. Evil dear has been a dickhead from birth. He's dad as a Dickhead to so dear, don't you know, technically came because why? was inherently a dickhead like brolly is too stupid. Who Be that villainous? And he's simplified point of damn. I was trying to sleep and googles crying, and so they sent me out and I sent Joman. It doesn't make sense to me, like it's just like. I mean, it makes sense to me. He so I'd be if someone's crazy receiving. What you gonna do? You'RE gonna BE gonna give a spend your ticket punching them up. Oh, yeah, up, yeah, punch up for us your life. Yes, okay. And this is it. What makes bok bully even worse. He doesn't catch Goku first. He catches go hot and says this Nigga looks like go who something to beat him up any real how does that make sense? He says, you know what, I'm mad. Let me punch up the sign instead. This, this is this heritage. Be Your father did me wrong. Let me get here. I didn't get it, Verry, that's hilarious. Yeah, but broady's the way he is because of the all he was brought up. Yeah, no, kind that's cannon broly. That's Canon Brody. Okay, also, okay, okay, like cannon boy has a story at Canon Brownie, he's dad like baby. Yeah, he's dead point bim up and is the way he is now. Yes, it's basically Canon. Boy Is. That has a slight difference, for which I appreciate a bit more. Like they said that it wasn't just go good. I was crying. That made him mad and he didn't really have a group of Goku. His grape is with sayings and Prince Vegita. So Fair enough. JEA, I mean like Vedia's dad sent him and sending bolly out in similar blacks and random planet because he was too strong. And that's that simple. You know how was abandoned as a kid to some degree in it. But all school boarly from the two movies is dark. You're crying too large less swing. First of our lives. It's eternal beef. It doesn't make sense. And then another villain and drug wills. That pisses me off. Is during everyone loves. You know, he can fight. You strong. Also use this one for no reason. Just Duran's angry because he was trained and got being up. Guys that she's a story. Yeah, his story is that he was training and he saw boo boo dunny's dance and boo left him. Is that? Nah? And now and I now want to fight the gods and and do intentional beings and traveled world and Chinge everybody like Bro I'm sorry, people lose fights. You were training, you got bea up, it's not a problem. But are telling me now this gussion that beat me up, I'm going to I want to ft this guy for rest of his life. That relax, blacks, you lose fights. It's story. You're in Dragon Bull Zy. You're in that universe. People get punched up all the time. Freezer, I feel what you're saying, but I feel like with Dragon Bull Zy, you can we think about the villains or even any of the characters. We have to like manage our expectations a little bit, like, yeah, about...

Dragon Buzzy and or trash, even verst. I'm Lord Freezer. On the other hand, well written, Lord Treason, great background, actually understandable. He's understandable, relatable, relatable. I'm a business, business what? Okay, he's a business man. Let's not do this deblate. Every time I mentioned freezer. You know what he is? I really don't know. Okay, say why are Your Business Man? A business? Take the stage prime okay, okay, so when I'm to do so all the time? Yeah, evening canonized the brolly movie. Yeah, freezer was led to come and look after saying that that was his, that was the district takes up, for example, district nine. He's dad for some responsibility on Tim obviously he looked a bit menacine and the draw the sayings to do they try to kill him off the bat. He had the you know, the little radar. Did it power level nine thousand, think, Sawda, and then he looked up and down. So there's Niggas aid him the sniper, but they're gonna put the one a done. He's dance. He said, you know what, let me kill you guys back fucking monkeys. I'm sorry, that's what you said. Now what? Yes, he was arms dealer. Yes, he was an arms dealer. He was he was selling guns and obviously he seemed to have a big old industry. Now you know from either man like. He wasn't. He was our arms dealer. He's a genocide or that came after arms dealing mast him after. Okay, that came up. You hate monkeys. He he hates sayings, who ultimately are monkeys. I'm sorry, if that's the I want to tell me. That's not racist. It's not racism. That's not racism. What is, if that's not racism, what you try to kill for? They are there him, every single one of them. Try to turn him to do they turn into USARU's as as own. Not a monkey. Wow, it's a space monkey, just like him. Yes, I am freezers my eyes when just let me. Yes, Lord Freezer. Yes, although he gets beaten up quite frequently, he's a very nice guy. I can see in him. Even now, when he's been asked by go to come and help, he comes and death be money's doing good, you know, like dance, even in the Dumb Tower of powers, or my power, ever gonna call it. And you know, he was there for the final bout. He helped them win. Freezer is the ultimate dragon, as he character of all time. I might have nobody. You make me sick, you make yourself sick. Thank you. So yeah, I'm doing that. I'M wanna love lads to freezer. I'm so. This is another question I had was what separates a hero from a villain? We spoken a bit about villains be used as a foil to the protagonist, but are there any other things that you think are essential for making that distinction? And bathy? You can have a fas a villains there, can't you? Yeah, you mean the Virgiman, a villains of empathy. Yeah, I feel like, yeah, Hey, all right, but my about from my list of Sus Act Roger Machine was one of them. That he just wants to see the world return to some form of freedom. This this week. Obviously the civil system is the right lights to account the well driming. That's that's what the right thing is to them. So that he sympathizes with the everyday man in terms of I think man should be free to make decisions. I think a lot of case with most villains, you know, it's does he empathize with the general narrative that's been forced on his front? A lot of the best villains don't necessarily agree with what's been put ahead in front of them, that they might want to change. The smaller things or want a bit of liberation for other people, which might obviously result in destruction for a large mature majority. But obviously he just wants to see like what's like scar from former alchemists. Not Saying he's a great vine, for example, but he's obviously wants to in that revenge on those who basically destroyed his whole, like he's whole, like he's nation. So I guess some degrees kind of like do you sympathize with what Kim Lee did as the Crimson, you know, comes an alchemist, or do you want to surprise of scar and what he's doing now in terms of killing everybody years later? Yeah, hear that. I think that's a similar point to where you have an anime where the hero and the villain essentially have the same goals but they just go about it in different ways. I think that's another way you can separate a hero from a villain, just like they basically had the same angal more or less, but it's just their method is different and that's what makes a villain villainous. Like that. Like, like, yeah, like, definitely.

It's a great example of like, you know, the very morally great in terms of like morality's obviously the generals black and white morality, and then like kind of just sits on the cusp of the Middle Work Cheking you. What he's doing isn't really bad because obvious you tend to speak enough villains. But it's who are you to plague? And that's the question as post back at him. And though he's kind of peddled as the main to some degree he can be seen by many as a villain. Sorry, if some people consider light as a villain, do you people consider got as one too? Or I've watched watch the Red Berserks. I have their inputment goes is almost okay. It's also get anti hero to an extent. So I definitely wouldn't say he's a villain. More he suffered too much to be a villain. You know, I mean him almost like it's almost like calling members of the straw hat like zero, a villain. In my opinion? Why? Because she had sort a defensive I mean, I mean there are a nusance to society. I mean guts is a bandit and Zlos it was always a pirate. So I mean it's me, it's true, right and depends are go on. That's just always one really killed anyone like that. I mean the one piece universe, the pirates are the bad guys, but because we have more nuance as the viewers of the Marines and everything else. I'm just talking to someone. He's even quite happy. I'm sure it's even more complex than this. We Are we saying murder makes you bad without yes, that the only, the only criteria, but it can be justified. Is My stance and depends on rather something. That's what was the justication for Gods that. When there was that, there was one arc that I remember. For me it was just out, okay, you're your evil, not evil, but you're not a good guy at all. Was the one the children of the forest or something. I'm not sure, but all the children turn into like insects and rather than trying to find a way to save them, he just killed all of them so that I don't know what could remember their misery though massively, but there was a way to say them all the end know was it. Did you know that, though? Anyway? Then there's not his then yeah, I don't know me, but I think if you so, if he felt that was the only way to put them out of their misery. Then it's a Messycu because you can say it's wrong. My Po get the vibe that he was doing it to put the mob them was Rey, but just better. But I feel like hard killing, you know. I mean, is it wrong, though? He does kill people, not for fun but for money. Does it for yeah, but yeah, you have to put it in the context of the anime that they're in. It's that. Know, that is that kind of environment. I mean, who really kills in in one piece? It's not really a common thing in one piece to quote unquote, Diet down on. Must be a vibe. Sorry, so is so pro must be a problerobably not. Mr Two, Mr Free, I brother, it is a value. But ZORO's fighting women, by the way. So you could argue here's a villains or okay, you is that domestic absa? That's goodness crazy. Wow, what was original question? Sorry, I lost it. Question was what's Surparat s? You a villain and now for a white people? Is this? Think you don't know that? Didn't we yawning some big points, like by society? Yeah, and also you have to remember that sometimes it's just situational and circumstance and birth. Yeah, because, for example, I'm sure if someone like Mary, if Merim was, was human, he'd be very similar to a lot of normal kids, or even gone to an extent, it'd be very, very similar in terms of their personalities. I mean, I know, I know,...

...guts isn't a villain, even though some people do seem as a bit of villainess. But if he was brought up in a good home, wasn't, you know, thrown out of a carriage because his dad was what a bandit and his mom was a prostitute of goodness, thrown out into a rain, then who knows? He probably may have been, may have not been killing the these kids, frozen insects, children, Beatle borgs like. Oh, if that's that's just him having a trabic back story. And isn't that the same thing with villains? Okay, have a trading back stories, so that's why they're killing people always. I mean Kira doesn't have a always, but a villains, I. Have Tragic back stories and that's why we use, you know, that's why we say their valence because of their tragic back story. Not In isolation, yeah, not in isolation, because you can have a tragic backstory and still be, still want to do good. I love that's got terrible childhoods. So it's not always the case here. It really just depends on again, like Rupick, a fellow well crapper, has some being in this ways as well, se see. But is the evidence to Corner Vlin. He's got traits, he's got ultimately, he's not a billain craper. So this is so coviding. Will do call her so covilling? He definitely now. He definitely is now. Well, now is I'm behind. Oh yeah, cause what's happened in the ship? In it? You mean, not on the ship, but Oh yeah, I'm caught up. Oh Yeah, okay, get on talking about yeah, kind of not discussing was a bit of a funny one because, like, you're not you've considered him like a rival to gone, but it's never gone to that. There extreme not arrival, but more like a what's the words there? There's like a secret. It's literally a nuisance. That's it. Yeah, like like he's grooming gone from a far and that's that's he's any aim like that. For me, I feel like I see his Soka as what's that was the spider that east husband, like a black wood. Is it called a black widow? The Black Wood? Yeah, black widow, like like. I see his soca as a black wood also, because slowly, just nurturing God and says look, when times I'm going to come and go you up. I think in the context of hunter, Hunter and the other people, you can see our who are undisputably villains. He's Soako is just very self serving in comparison. Yeah, it's hard to put him on that same peto store as a villain. He's definitely very I think he's more chaotic than evil. To me, he's just very good verrier. That just goes to show what kind of anime hunter hunter is. Yeah, there's is there's a lot of blood lines between being a hero villain. Okay, Queen Hunt its hunter exact. Because even with if you look at if you look at, for example, Green Island, his circle was helping him out. Should not mean yeah and gone in the sense of but itself is going to win. Yea and gone going Gol was doing things that will yeah, extremely selfish in order to gather the victory. In fact, you could argue the INS throughout the majority of the camera and arc gone on was acting in his own interests, disregard a health and safety of everyone else around him, just just in order to get to meet his goal. That's an interesting point as well, because Gunn has become, for even before, like where even I'm up to now, very selfish and self serving for his goals, but because we see his goals as being, I guess, more noble, Hmm, than he soakers. That's what that's the thing is. It's like a personality as well. He's quite perverted and creepy. But even aside from Matt, he's very self serving, the same way gun is. But it's just the end goal to Peter Gone Gone has a lot of dark tendencies at people. I know it was realize and because I remember even when I was watching a couple of the watching a couple scenes back, and like the scene when they were doing the the exams. Oh yeah, and killer was taken that guy's heart and putting it like in a brown paper bag. Yeah, like most of the cars there were were mortified, and gone was just there all smiley. He's smiling, like literally he was smiling. He's son grilling air to air because his mate has put someone's heart in a brown paper bag. And that's just that's just not normal. You knew you could use Kilua, but if we're keeping it Rual, yeah, Kilowa is way more noble and lessbell in us. Then what's that fuckers name is? And then gone, but I'm like, for...

...sure, like kill what? I will go something, okay, but killer for goes of his own ambitions to just support gone, like his own things. That my job is to place. I can put to gone and gals support gun requires what goes on. HMM, what? Kid? Those all these also a coward as well. And and the murder, because he's going on his whole family. He's like a wasticulous for whole family is finally full of murders and assassins. So he's obviously seen things. So to him is the normal right. So I guess in a sense of quart of noble. I wouldn't say all the way because, yeah, he's probably done a couple killings himself. I guess when you compare it to the way Gune News and our yeah, I degree, I mean the past black, like we said, it kind of shows the gray nature of some of the characters in there. That actually your the pedalty. As as you know, great people as they know as one binary, but a lot of them are very gray in the between. Look at Self, bristly, quor fair, and it's just that's humans. I feel like they capture humans really well, like humans up ultimately our self serving most of the time, and I'll truism seldom exists. Yep, the question to round up with is who are your least favorite animal villains? Basing everything? Now, now we're in for it and wow, let's let's get it. I now. Well, this actually now we are in for I don't think I have many or any. I don't know. I still know what I don't have any. Well, also say is if you could mention a villain that jen but generally isn't really liked by most animal whiches, you have a soft spot for or you actually do quite quite interesting. So I think maybe both would be good to answers to. Okay, there's one, guess. They're a villain. I don't know if you guys have watched this. The rising of the showed hero is always yes, yeah, that bitch, I don't know her name, the one, that thing's daughter. Right, yeah, she is a terrible, terrible person. I think I've seen that all she's a prick. Cool, I'm right, as in just horrible. That's it. There's nothing to it to just a just a horrible person, and that is your bad vibes, like she's just your bad life. And that's literally the only person I think of watching and like, not even wanting to like, just she just horrible. I just hated anytime you can must you knows, so angry. And Yeah, that's the only person I can properly think of, you know, really disliking. I think. Do I have any soft spots for to as I like most villains? I don't know. I don't know who's not. I don't know who doesn't. Maybe give me a light to film and then I'll tell you if I like them. Bottom really know what? Who People don't like? So, okay, pair enough. Yeah, I hear people talking about Rachel, from which work team, as she from right. Oh, people saying fuck her brother. Oh, she a villain, I thought. I don't know. I just hate Rachel. Whenever I hate, whenever I see are good, I see, yeah, Rachel not right. She's a bitch, that Fucker, I had whatever. I don't call her. She's at she's a dickhead. It's like it's kind of like really hard to explain about all in it, but rifle. But knowing kind of what she's made band do, Bam do in terms of growing up and everything at that, she just can't said fuck this Nigga and gone back. I'm just hearing that bomb is a simple and you know, yes, I'm just us, who sent you, and the exist exact. He's just chasing us. One followed her literally. She literally said do not follow me, and he did that. So for those who own business afterwards, that's his business. Lass of God, by the way, from just sounds like a big SIMP. Yeah, he's a simple but yeah, like I mean with about the truth. Yeah, what I just been see me given. You just don't right. Okay, reduce as one of mine, would you? So, yeah, from Solia. Oh, oh, yeah, she was pretty trash. Is a villain. She will, I feel like she's just an evil parent. And but I really, I really have a soft pot for her, like she's a she's so powerful, like character design school. I think she's very smart and tactical...

...about where she went about doing things. I think right person as a villain, I really enjoyed her for what she was worth. I find it interesting that this is a lot trickier. I think it's good. I think for me personally, there's just a lot of villains that I feel like I did particularly dislike them. They're just kind of either forgetful, forget forgettable, or just they served their purpose. Is just that? Okay, HMM, there's not an like and ones I usually actively dislike. The impact that it we that is reason enough alone for me to feel okay, there must be a good villain for me to be disaffected by a fictional yeah, I think really like. Oh Way, sorry, I forgot one, and it's the one and only show Tucker. So yeah, but you hate you hate him because he's a good villain, because he's a good villain. That's the I think. With this question is more like. I think one on the same page is like. Okay, which villain was just written poorly? Like what fin don't say fairy tale villains. All of them became find of everyone ended up end up being gang like. I there one, just one of them go out being a villain, I beg, and every single one of them ended up being an a lie like some bestie's. That's it. One of them. I'm so annoying. That's why I would say fairy tale the worst. Everyone in black liver stocks as well. I don't care, I don't like even gonna give it now. We're going to give it, give it a go. I saw that one episode. What Alexat us, at everyone sucks Alex everything about black, even Tho I've only seen one episode. So that Alex. that that I think I done. Sir. That's a good he was kind of crap when you think about it, to be honest with you, Audy Jones, to say that, because he would. I saw him, which garbage. I was like, who is this fake all along? Who'd yeah, that's so annoying. The best thing about him was his name, but curly relaxa he had as well. He was someone I think I was. I don't see Jackson, just get them along, but I believe it was. Yeah, I think it might have been my Jackson. They would you know? Yeah, I think it was. There was reference to the nose or something like that. I remember. M Yeah, I don't know what it was doing. J Not Ark, but I'll just smoking certain dangerous for it and actually a crackheads and the worst beat about about whodie Jones is that even in from a combat style, he he was no threat. He didn't you got beat so easily. It was like he was a real easily and he just kept taking the drug to get strongerly still get Gamban. I just now. He's just girls impact, you know. Oh, what did it? Quill Energy, steroid feel. He was very, very rubbish, very rubbish. Oh, by the way, happy you talk about multi. I've forgot her name and I remember multi. I'm multi, yeah, or Melty, I don't know. I don't know how they say it with the Japanese ACSM. I was cooling. Melt Wow, she's so bad vibes. Oh my God. But what about the main fairy villain from actually, no way, he's actually a good villain because actually dislike him. So never mind. He the other guys was really rubbish. was what's his name as it Shinshen Ron Sen long, Ohmega, the one John had any head, a hmm, all of them, and and his body. Are you talking about the one that the main to the main three that I remembers are the wonder, the Ice Pars on, the firepowers and the one that had all the dragons in his body by a fire. Yes, fire powers, yeah, that's fund the Shane's. I can remember shone is, but it's just whatever. But yeah, I don't Jesus, really, really rubbish. Yeah, get, yeah, awful, awful doctors. Are Lauras a final boss? Oh, yeah, but she's toilet. She's rubbish, man, she's rubish. You needs some big count of wants up in controversial. Okay, Kabut Yakshi, you what copter whats cover to hmm man, I think everyone...

...hates he's that is that Randall from recess. It's just a side characters and it's like, I like couple to you know, I don't know. I don't think it's obstuctual enough, but I think I like him just. Yeah, you just just a bit slightly use rubbish Mat Nice, trash. He's richey sach it right. What's talking about? YEA friend. Yeah, he was actually trash. Yeah, he was crap. He remembers me of the guy from hunter, ex hunter, don't. I try to watch the exams in Terriss say all the time God told to part on Park Tom PA. That's he reminds me of that. He's a trash as US might as well random. He's random research recess. Okay, I was that is around and I'm okay, yeah, it does actually true. He gives you that VIB HMM. Yeah, I mean some time it's easier to Pick Bay protagonists and bad villains, to be honest. Hell, yeah, because usually if it focus. Yeah, yeah, because they who has generally good villains in across the world. I'm going to say I'm some something. Yeah, I like you know, I don't think that's I don't think I dislike any villains from my HARC baby one, one villain I'd say I liked the law, but it doesn't mean to get much of her mentioned. Is King Piccolo from Dragon Ball. M. I really liked his whole story. Is it King Piccolo? The second one anyway? Not The one, not the original one that go could killed, the second one, son, the SIRT, the son. Yes, it was just Piccolo, wasn't it? Yes, some pecular yeah, yeah, normal pickolos. That's the one. That's one I like, the one I was at the tournament. Yeah, yeah, he was a good villain. He was good and he had a proper back, a reason to be to want to kill go goos. All so totally. Gokul the midwife forcefully breathing, breeding kids. Yeah, yeah, middle gocy's a midwife. Not could tell me otherwise. Brother, HMM, the villains in Buckie. He even called them villains. But there's Niggas. I get like to get beating up there. They are obedious and merchants. Too Ridiculous, I think, to discuss. I think it works because it's just yeah, it's just ridiculous. It does work. Very silly. About Charles Ze Britannia from Cold Guess, like them? No, no, I did not like him. I didn't like him. I don't like him. I thought you was rubbish. He's absolutely whack. He was rubbish. Yeah, he was rubbish and and and you know what, considering how good card guess was really rubbish, I think that's actually I can't believe that I even thinking. But yeah, it's just whole pose of his character was just to give some kind of motivation to lelate. You are my son. I do not like you. I'm going to throw my father because he's just in that and the other. But again, really get to know Charles de Britannia as a person. He simply a plot device. Yeah, sorry, sucks. I think, considering everything else, that happen, cait yess it was a bit lazy. Does really potential there to make things more interesting? Yeah, I'm even his mom was a plot device as well. I was just like, it's just it that. Let's just make sure she has a mom. This is for in there. Yeah, he's mom, she survives and share. You know who is a good villain as well? We're forgetting it tough. But is he a feeling? No, I wouldn't say. I wouldn't put a villain, you know. Is He a villain though? I don't know. Really, he's not a villain. No, he literally wiped his whole clan because they we're gonna kill the role. Yeah, he's. I think he's a villain. He's a but he's not seen that way, though, because he's some people. Yeah, because he's obviously he killed his whole family in it, but he did it. Obviously people might see as okay, he did it for a good reason, but obviously you deep it. It's not. I'm saying it's not. Yeah, he's a villain. He wiped out his own time. I know prime was okay, stuff like that. But like, I think he's a villain, like Ol done. It's okay, that, oh my gosh, what I completely forgot, for when we talk about good villains, just in the beginning, like Yo, handy, but from monster. Oh, that was a muscle. Yeah, Chris, that was...

...my numbers my number one. Okay's stressed. He's my mom for got her penny, but he did that in yeah, but yeah, it's hate, I feel like with the villain. Yeah, let's break it down. Yeah, I'm trying to think of other villains. I were actually, you know, pointless. Would you? Would you guys say that a bearers was a villain, because I he initially was brought torush creams as a villain and it just went downhill from there. Ibers is of Shit, Brough and I just best use everyone. I'm just like you, had potential to actually put a villain. We shouldn't talk about dragon was evilings anymore. Them Niggas is been talking about Dragon Ball Z. I like that. All Trash. All the characters are trash, all fries. Oh, yes, okay, okay, joy, okay, yeah, I'M gonna say. I'm gonna say something from Bleach, who's not really a villain, but as a villain at the same time, I'm not sure if you guys remember? I know my either, the guy that had their ball and chain, that had like that's all folks about being rich. Ark. No, waits, he's like an actual he's like a saim's, like a vice captain. Don't you remember? I think. I think he's, say funds vice captain. Is he all six nine on his face? No, that's the cushion. I'm joking. I remember. So, basically, is the one that has that only cares about money. He's he Shikai, is the ball and chain and he's a really ugly says, you've got the quiff. Yeah, he's. He's like Boldish, but may see, I might die. Like he really is selfish, doesn't care for anybody of himself. I only really want money, doesn't backfight's properly, like he's perhaps he put his teammates or other captains in arms way just to stop, just to avoid iron brought. He's a piece of shit. Yeah, yeah, bleacher so forgettable. I don't blame you for not remembering. Yeah, I remember. I really don't know how you remember this guy. I don't remember what he did. Yeah, okay, I guess because the rich and interesting characters that you remember for years to come. But you remember grim drawn? Yeah, that's about Chris. You Remember Groom tonner? I remember his name. I'll fuck off, man. Yeah, because he's got glasses. This, this are gonna start. Just fuck you, Bro. It wasn't. That doesn't matter. Has An anti bleach after the a. We said it's the best of us. Tea Is it is an agenda. If it's true. What, yeah, is that's not gonna lie to you guys. It's not. Now what? No, things, a good anime, you said, as forgetable character. So agree. So it's got really rememberable characters. It's got. It's got a lot of member character. Yes, for Party, yeah, or relative to what? Even the router? That's that's not what we ask, though. You are asking a different question. Don't not memorable really see that much a posts and scumback, remember, I was even gonna come up with with someone, a villain's name, and I can't remember. That's how you there wasn't even know what to argue right now. I mean we remember characters from bleached. I then firm. Of course they were all we forgettable, but you argue that they then. So I mean I'm talking generally. Every single one is not forget. You're not going to remember a single character, and generally quite characters. Yeah, you can happy right now. Hot spot named five, I can name you. Ten, he a rookie. Are Renie. How many is that for Yucky? Yeah, and then even the main, main cast, like Lo, I can name. I can name. Well, done, prime you seen it like six times and I've seen that one. Is that posters all over your rooms? Ask You, I hate yeah, Chris. Oh my God, such a loser. You guys. That's good, guys, for for debate. Every single time. They just always end your runt with Fuck Chris. When will you learn? On a side note, what video game villains do you really like? None, Chiaki, but really she really was...

...say not time. Do you really like video game villains? Oh, villains. Yeah, none really. WHO Games you playing? A school? I've got four games at play. Yeah, for guys. Villain. Is it really that great? Foll guys, I don't think. Let's gravity crying one, but it's like not a lot of people have played it. So am I not like Mak an interesting discussion, but basically, and mega ten three, not one of the protagonists becomes like a really villains character. She are you spoiled it. I mean it happens immediately, but basically it's just the whole thing. She's a completely abhorrent character, like her ideals and the way she viewsed the world, it's very like it's straight up fascists, to be honest. But she's written in such an interesting way because when she speaks she's very she's able to really articulate like her motivations and why she thinks that way. Like if you didn't have any morals or self, you could fall for it, like Oh, she's making really good points, but you have to realize what she's saying, is she's advocating for genocide, for Eugen X or this other shit like. But yeah, I think some one who's just so like who's a vile person, but the way they're written, like they have really strong convictions and it's like multidimensional. I think she's a good villain. I'm sure all six people that have played that game, or where's the night with that? Hopefully they listen. Yeah, I would sorry, like this is my bias jumping up. I would say GNANDORF. Yeah, I was in I was gonna you're gonna say that I can white villain, but it works, it would be specific versions of GRANDORF. So it would be wind Waker, CANANDORF. Mostly I love America and off twilight. Twilight Princess Ganandorf was also really good. I probably say wind waker for the most part. Anyway. He was really good when Brecud because he's just like, he's very like the most human he's been. Yeah, genuinely feels like a human in that gay he's gone bit to with the passage of time. He's us. Yeah, I think it's just he's again he is relatable without being sympathetic. I think that was really good and obviously the timeline is bullshit, but I just think I'm when you think that Lincoln's are they get reincarnated ever and ever again, but CANNONDORF, free fighting. Every game is the same Gan Orf. Yeah, yeah, all the memories of defeat over like thousands and Jews and he's just become even so bitter to the point that when we meet him in breath of the world, he's he's just, he's hardly he's more of a concept than yeah, he's not even. Yeah, spent thousands of years being killed over and revide over and over and over again. So, yeah, I think that's really it's a good way to subvert the whole of villain for villain, evil for evil sake. HMM, by giving him that kind of like journey. Yeah, I've got a question for you. Guys can pulled up. Are gonna Buck Your breadthren? Are there any villains that you've mighty, you've imagined in your mind, or that you see the potential to have like one day that talk to see one about her? Afraid that put correct as well. I'll say is, have you your ideas of villains? Have ever seen it come to come to life? And, if not, like what would that be? Chris said, that's fretty accurate. Yeah, I think it's probably be done before. I'm not sure if there's been done an animate but it's definitely been done befo, I'm sure, like maybe in like Hollywood or something, but maybe when you start a series and you're following the story from the perspective of the protagonists, but as things unfold and you get more context than you explore other characters, you realize that the actually they're the villains. They were that. Yeah, they were the villain and like they were completely given like either like the wrong information or they were completely misguided or they basically maybe they just like use their scienty halfway. Like you start rooting for them, but then you something happens. They go to optimos. Are Root for them anymore, but then, you know what, we're still following. How all that to Hanna, all that those stuff for me now Handi will liked. I wasn't gonna ask everyone that. What your favorite villains of all time are, that in anything, TV, books, whatever. And for me it's kindable like, and I literally just had watching it.

I like Hannah boy as well, because obviously Auntie Nie Hopkins One. This one has missed famous by like mad muckerson's Hannibal. Yeah, because he's not like yeah, he's like a genius psychopath and that's why he feels he has the right to kill people. It is the yeah asmocersins Hannibal doesn't even see himself as human. He doesn't hate you like on Earth. He's like observing human beings and how stupid and puny they are. What else I think apples on the best series of all time noms listening brother, literally it's I think it's to Netflix is opened up more, because that's how I didn't know how. I was going to watch it before, but it's all on net Flix, so I've been yeah, it's always been on my list. Is just never got to them Tor Netflix. And I see the parallels between Hannibal and my reasons for liking KIRA FROM JJ's. It's kinnible's got a plan. Yeah, when you're describing here, because I don't know care, I was thinking about Hannibal. I was like this is this is giving me Hannibal Vibes. And the boy has no like first for power or anything like that. He just wants to eat good food. It happens to be even beings. Someone said, remember the guy's name, but the chester peak rippart, the first world, the one that would they thought was a chest speak repart was like, Oh, you know, you eat humans. You're a kind of boy who was like to be a cannible. I would have to think of you as equal. So he genuinely doesn't even see human being as equals. Like, if you like, I'm only a kind of work by a something that was equal to mes. Like what this is the for? I says a what, I love you so much, honestly, amazing. So, like I said before, I think my favorite is Hannible. Yet Hannibal mademic was in Tannible to be. Yeah, definitely my favorites, and you don't know, I wasn't. I wasn't prepared this note. I mean, okay, I think it doesn't have to be. They can be anime, like I just have to be outside of that. What primer said. It's freezer with Ye, I'm him say that. I think expect. She was a good villain in game offering. Oh, was different. I'm fully end yeah, it's yeah, we don't comment that season. Definitely. Yeah, I feels good. Like I remember reading articles about people saying that how like she goes shopping and stuff, people recognize her and like they just couldn't separate her from the character, and that's, I'm super weird. They're just gonnas to show you how obviously easy. What is he separating the character from the actor? But she just put off so well, and as it was a kind of Han I've never seen or hadn't see a time, and she just put off so well. No, she doesn't. Definitely have a softball for yeah, I don't feel like Jigsaw from so the original, at least from the original movie. Ever, making that I don't know the original movie. Now they're making them. They're doing a precursor to the movie. It's called Jigsaw. I believe it's called darker. Oh Yeah, I've thought Jig saw was really, really good in terms of his reasoning and in terms of the situations he put people in. A lot of the time it was challenging their vanity against survival. So I think, at least in the original and the original movies, the people that were put into that dungeon wherever weren't good people. So it was it was like a really really was really tight one in terms of morality, because you understand that these people aren't where people. They've done things wrong in the world and they've caused time to other people or they do things that cause hunter other people. But they've been put in situations where they're there's a high possibility that they're going to die and I don't know, it kind of feels it kind of feels a bit like a light in yeah, HMM, so he's been, you know, judge during executioner. Yeah, yeah, people who try to be unders I was watching. When I watched saw as a child, I was genuinely afraid that something to me as a child, how was generally, or young teen, I don't know when I watched it, but I was actually afraid that I would end up in those situations, like what were you doing when I was watching them, but that when I was watching I only really thought that all of them were proper evil people that deserved what they were going through. Like some of them were like minor fuck up so or, you know, just something that they were in the tight spot and they had to do something. So I was just like, Oh my God, like Wif I'm having a situation someone of those out to me like but yeah, that was just me. I think it's interesting to see the parallels between that. Even though we were discussing anime specifically, really like widing it up, we still have like the similar reasons for liking villain...

...some other kind of mediums as well. Yeah, and all the same thing at the end of the day. You know, we just see in an animated form getting animes. Yeah, it's just different stories and stuff. Yeah, great, and you findal remarks and people, which is guess. Last I'm not as bad as that Donald Trump. I've gone snaw in relation to my circumstances in the world. I live in. You are the biggest villain yet. Okay, this is this is this one about is how I expected. Lots of amazing takes, but yeah, that has been US discussing what makes a good villain. So, just before we shoot off, does anyone want to do social follow me on twitch. The prime tales following youtube of the plants. I don't use to her. He's so much a stell for me. Sholler ate underscore on twitter, chrisankster on everything pretty much. Abbey, I'll be underscore Milon on everything, and I'm kid start ex everywhere as well. Thanks so much, guys. Will be back next week.

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